Topic: EmilioMann, John Connor, & VanillaCoin/VCash are lying about Monero exploits - page 3. (Read 5831 times)

There was no lie, because denial of service attack is exactly what it was:


By injecting a block that not handled properly by some nodes, it was an attempt to make the Monero payment network (and various services depending on it) unavailable to its intended users. In fact it did (at least indirectly) successfully do this when exchanges and possibly other services (maybe MoneroDice; I'm not sure) responded to the act by shutting down wallet transactions as a precaution.

DoS is also a common term used when describing application level vulnerabilities which cause a component or system to become unavailable (usually via a crash, resource exhaustion, or application-level state failure) but do not allow remote access (remote code execution) or access beyond intended limits (privilege escalation). Here is one recent example: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-4951

Perhaps you are confusing DoS, a general term, with DDoS, a specific form of a attack that did not apply here. I don't really or care, nor can I help with your stupidity or dishonesty; only you can try to improve yourself if you so choose.

Anyway, what Monero did or did not do is irrelevant to this thread and you are not helping your case by bringing it up. If you think Monero defrauded investors by calling a denial-of-service attack a denial-of-service attack, then you should open a thread to make that accusation. GLWT.

@Wolf0 I'm not in a beauty or popularity contest. I don't care whether I "look bad" to you. If you have another argument to make as to why john-connor and the rest of the Vcash scammers should get pass on their well-documented dishonest and harmful conduct (particularly when I ask for no such special treatment myself), particularly when we are discussing it on a Scam Accusation thread, please let me know, because that one is uninteresting to me.

Look what I learnt today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan_(Taleb_book)#Coping_with_Black_Swan_events

The fraud master call others fraud lolz

Maybe?  There's no maybe about it.  John was caught red handed, dead to rights.  Why are you pretending otherwise?


I'm glad Greg Maxwell posted a warning about the fraud behind Vtrash.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud". -Nassim Taleb

What does it make you when you see fraud, but then recommend everyone ignore the fraud?

Dude, you know I like XMR - so you know I'm not a hater, and what I'm saying is from a neutral standpoint:

Let it fucking go. Yeah, maybe he did rip off some Bitcoin code. It doesn't matter - everyone knows it, and quite frankly, it appears no one gives a shit. I don't know and I don't care, but what matters is that bringing it up over and over when they know the facts already just makes you look like you're harping on it - which you are.

I get it - John's an asshole, and he's fucking with you. But you're looking like the bad guy - the one starting the fight - by keeping this up. Ignore it and do something productive.

Why did you lie and defraud the XMR investors by claiming a DoS attack when clearly I knew otherwise and since I told you you should have known also? This is not really a question, Monero lied and defrauded it's investors while I told them the truth regarding the exploit. Monero is embarrassed. This can never be denied.

I first became aware of fluffypony here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKd7F-10lxM&feature=youtu.be&t=360. To me, he came across as a good guy.

Again, I don't have a horse in this race.

I agree with with this wholeheartedly as well.

and Spoetnik your right, I have also been drawn into this circle jerk conversation getting more and more frustrated daily by it.
after reading your post I have decided to disengage with the monero community, and if in the end all I see is ignored posts posting and reposting shit in the Vcash topics) I will just leave bitcointalk.

thank you for this, my mood the last few months has become ever more frustrated as I have spent to much time wasting breath on this discussion.

Cant agree more !

First in for most the usual xmr circle jerking gang (we know who they are) are assholes and need to get their heads out their collective asses.

Last year or so the vanillacoin (at the time) community was small. Their were 2 threads then. Both threads had positive vibes and a lot of interest. Then the trolling started. First it started out small here and there... then in months we had multiple accusations ranging from scam, fraud, scammers etc from random nicks (grudges), monero gang, and gmaxwell. Shit went side ways fast. There was little the community could do about it. Leaving was the only reasonable thing to do as Vcash was still in its infancy.

As for John, he has a clear vision for Vcash. Sure his personality isn't what we expect or like but who gives a shit. It's who he is. I could care less about forum migration that happened last year. So as along as he codes and delivers on his promises. Which he has done time after time. That's what's important. I could give two shits on how people perceive John, so as long as he delivers on the technology. And he has. I've come to respect John because so far he made all the right decisions for Vcash. Sure some will bitch but that's life, don't like it? Tough shit. Anyone is more than welcome to leave. John doesn't owe anything to anyone.  

John has already addressed gmaxwell BS on v.cash/forums/ and is posted on bct. It's settled.

As for accusations about Johns code that has been explained to death more times than I can count. Almost every new topic opened about vanillacoin (unmoderated) by a genuinely interested people would get fudded by the monero gang like clock work. Like a broken record over and over again. It was basically repeated to death like dash instamine crap. John made the decision to leave the forums because these trolls were trolling our small community and it got ugly. Vcash was VERY early beta then, John always made a point about necessary block chain changes early on and emphasize it. Vcash's development over the last year alone is a testament to that. Look at the Vcash project Github. It's incredibly impressive the amount of work John has put into Vcash from the start. Though this means very little to smooth and his xmr friends. Nor hasn't it stopped or slowed smooth's and his circle jerk accounts endless slander toward Vcash, the community and John. It's because Vcash poses a real threat to monero and they know it. You would have to be an idiot (or newb) not to see that. We all know they are not above that either. It's so obvious it boggles my mind why more people don't come to that conclusion. Seems hard work doesn't go unpunished in altcoin land.

As for exploits, remember when I mentioned earlier about xmr circle jerking gang are assholes? Well they're double D triple grade A douchebags. Why in the heck would John have any empathy toward these ass hats? Don't believe me, look at Johns trust rating FFS. Before GingerAle's offer these assholes were still running their mouths completely disregarding possible exploits. John sent a clear message. Don't piss him off, stop the slander and the same old tiring FUD. I don't give a rats ass what spoetnik thinks. I'm calling like I see it. These monero trolls are what makes BCT a hostile cesspool. But these trash posting rtards don't get it. Continue the bullshit, there will be consequences. Welcome to the real world. What they do is up to them. Don't go crying to mommy.

What John chooses to do with these zero day exploits is his business. John isn't cold either, I recall him helping out peercoin/novacoin sometime ago without the typical crypto drama or douchebaggary.

Respect, gotta give it to get it. That's my two nillas.

Normally anyone against Monero gets a silent nod from me and i step aside quietly and let them have at it.
But ... 

I do KNOW that there is a big difference between a coder saying he can code
vs. a guy claiming he wrote specific code he did NOT.

In the cracking software & games scene i seen a LOT of that shit for many years
and it actually made me quit putting things put publicly for the most part as well as perma-retiring from some communities.
Basically there is a plague of little shits that come on the web and steal peoples work
then thy bend over backwards to play dumb about it.

VCash guy *may* have done this ..but since i have never looked at either code base i can't judge here.
(this issue was brought up earlier)

Also, the phenomena of crying FUD sickens the living fuck out of my both ways
for or against any coin i don't care.

Sorry but when you cry FUD like a little bitch i lose respect for you all.
No other scene online has such a ripe, voracious, intense, rabid level of "Crying FUD" as this one.
And you all just end up sounding like a bunch of whiny little fucking stupid brats when you talk like that.
Seriously, grow the fuck up snotty sniveling snot nose brats.
Are you adults ?
Then grow the fuck up and act like one !

You cry FUD i will buy you some bloody Pampers cry baby suck holes.
And no this comment is not *more* Trolling either (you guys wouldn't know trolling even if you were trolled on)

So as much as i dislike Monero i don't see any solid proof i can latch onto here to sink my teeth into.

The conspiracy stuff is sketchy and crying FUD or Troll is just tiring childish bullshit.
I personally just like the facts no matter how pretty or ugly who cares.. just keep it real.
Which is a bit hard in a scene where we have THOUSANDS of coins and yet MORE coming.
Made by a group of coin dev's who change their Bitcointalk account name more than the damn underwear.
So bearing that in mind it's hilarious trying to expect a level of honesty or integrity from sleazy greedy fuckheads.

Made a coin did you ?
Let me guess POW.. POS.. or IPO and let me guess.. i have to give you Bitcoins for your "new" coin ? 

But hey scream "I'm legit" then say "but my coin is legit" and then say "We're different"
While you hold your hand out for BITCOIN $$$

You a coder assholes ?
Prove it fuckers.. step on up and do something useful for once instead of what smooth said.
How hard is it to re-write someone else's code and mod it a bit then re brand it ?
Hint: It's NOT
So what ?
Duh the obvious ..IMPROVE on Bitcoin !
Make a new distribution system that is better than Bitcoin if Mining is so bad.
Or.. just keep making 8,000 god damn "crowd funded" yet to be made vaporware digital pyramid-scheme tokens.

You can't pull your little pecker out and yank it and scream i am "Mr. dev's ultra mega coder" when..
you post ANOTHER stupid ass gay scammy ICO.
That tells me you can NOT code.

Anyway.. My gripe with Monero has never ever been about their coding.
My 2 main issues has been the behavior of the people surrounding it and their "features" or direction.
The very concept of an anonymous coin i think is a foolish proposition and simply a bad idea.
It would have been far smarter for them to do the opposite and make a coin more govt compliant.
They may have had world wide adoption accomplished already had they done that instead.
Or ?
Make an anon coin that is centralized and backed by a couple coders vs planet earth's hackers.
Who will win ? duh ..the odds is stacked against them.

So i never tried to say they can't code or don't have some skills.
Just that i felt their skills were misdirected and their attempts to "market" the coin has been an epic failure.

The whole one coin group vs another coin group is something none of us want to hear about.
We ALL roll our eyes ..so we better see some solid proof to go with accusations.

I can envision smooth criticizing some specific coin like VCash or otherwise
but i honestly can't picture them organizing some campaign of "FUD" deliberately to attack another coin.
..aside from Dash maybe hahahha
Like a random bit of commentary from a guy does not constitute some conspiracy / agenda.
I don't think the Monero guys really give two shits about VCASH until the VCASH guys
spout of about exploits..

Lastly i think VCASH is a far better name than Monero.
I still think the name Monero is incredibly gay.
Makes me think of some kind of shitty foreign Mexican dollar or something
Like some lame ass currency worth less than the peso called a Dollero or something.
Who ever came up with the name Monero should be fired !!!

/end Monero rant

Careful John-Connor,  this whole thread is a ruse to try to get you to make a threat of extortion.
you are completely in your legal rights to use a zeroday exploit if you see fit, but not within your rights to demand money for not using them.


Just use the exploits as you see fit or sell them to someone who will.
dont fall for this shit.

You act like the fact that many independent people who have examined the code state that he did exactly that makes no difference here. WTF?


I never said that he didn't know how to code, so you are lying again. Especially considering that the code I (and others) looked at that he claimed to have written was actually not written by him, I would have no fucking idea.

As for not delivering "what was promised", that is absolutely the case. He promised a coin written "entirely from scratch", and some investors have said they bought into the coin when it was launched on that basis.

So he indeed failed to deliver what he promised, misrepresented what he did deliver, and is a lying scammer. You can't change that by implementing a few more features. Oh, you implemented SPV wallets? Your code-stealing, misrepresenting, unsupported FUD, and other scamming are now hereby forgiven. Again, WTFF?!!

The lies and scams continue with his unsupported claims of Monero exploits and further of his lies (documented above in pictures for those you Vcash idiots who may be too stupid to read) about twitter timestamps proving his claims.


Unless you or john-conner can back up his claims of twitter timestamps proving that had and has Monero exploits, then Monero is irrelevant here. So far you have not and fluffypony's accusation of lying and scamming appears validated. Your constant walls of text about Monero appears to be another form of forum sliding in order to obfuscate the well-documented charges against Vcash, john-conner, and yourself. It is making you look even worse. Don't do it.

Well, all fud from monero community last year, was to destroy Vcash, claiming that the dev stole the bitcoin's code, so he didn't know to code and never would deliver what was promised.

You and your gang called him scammer and Vcash a scam.

Well a year has passed, John Connor proved not only know how to code but also is one of the best dev in the crypto universe today.
He discovered faults and presented the solution on bitcoin's code, solved a failure on peercoin that affected all currencies with POS mining and found exploits in various currencies including the monero, so ...

He delivered everything promised in his roadmaps, on time and also implemented several other features that were not in the plans.
A year has passed and Vcash became the best crypto on market, with all the features listed in my other post running smoothly and without bugs.

And your monero? What has changed this year? Remains the same crapcoin ever and now with 12 zeroday exploits.

What matters to the market if JC would used a few bitcoin lines in your code (he didn't) but created a technically perfect currency that is close to being discovered and goes to the moon?

The only pathetic here are you, a crap coder that needs to stay all day in bctalk spreading fud against rival currencies, the thief Eduardo icebreaker and littleponey

and what the problem if John Connor knew the exploit 13 and didn't tell you?
Are you so retarded as to think that after all the fud from you and monero community against Vcash he should warned you about the exploit 13?

Damn, guys, I'm not used to sitting on the sidelines enjoying the read oppose to participating. One side's lucky that I don't have a horse in this race thanks to being too busy with my release. I kinda miss the days of BFL, Cryptsy, AMT, Black Arrow, Matt Carson's thingies, etc., left with only Leroy Fodor and Chantha Owen Lueung as toys to play with while taking a break from coding (HTML, CSS... and you guys thought I wasn't a real geek  ).

smooth teaching john-conner how to read twitter timestamps:




The earliest tweet I could find from you on the topic was late in the day on January 15. The attack was publicly disclosed and a fix released earlier that day. Your previous tweets earlier in the month demonstrating your ignorance about how disk storage functions prove nothing related to this at all.

Unless you can show a timestamp before the incident and its cause (and fix) was made public, your claim of twitter timestamps proving your knowledge or involvement is a lie, just as your launch of Vcash on the basis of having written it from scratch (when actually significant portions of the code, at a minimum, were copied, refactored, and obfuscated portions of Bitcoin as documented by me, gmaxwell, rnicoll, gjhiggins, Rick Storm, Luke-jr and others) was also a lie.

You can claim the above list plus fluffypony, plus others who have made similar accusations against your scamming are all conspiring against you, are scared of you, or being controlled behind the scenes by Nick Szabo or whatever other delusional crap you can come up with. Or you or your cronies can try to change the subject and start ranting about Monero or me or burned out disk drives or alien abductions or whatever you like, but you are still not fooling anyone.

EDIT: Let's add one more witness to your lying and scamming. Howard Chu, the developer of the LMDB database, responding to one of your earlier lies about Monero's use of disk storage. Click through for the context, if desired:

John Connor experimenting with Monero codebase on January 4th:



John Connor explaining to Monero devs starting January 15 what caused the network split/fork (Monero devs claim DoS):



Who knew what first? The proof cannot be disputed.