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Yeah, it's hard to see when we're talking about the difference in scale between quantum and relativistic. I use the terms, but don't believe in the interpretations. I haven't worked out the how the states of space-time would evolve. Its hard to see fluid dynamics from our microcosmic viewpoint. We need much bigger lenses and more operational statistics (quantum computers) to interpret what we see.

I think I'm going to have to find a "For dummies" version. I understand fluid dynamic quite well, but the context may be making it hard for me to follow. Thanks for trying though.

Btw, interesting blog.

Actually, I don't think physics addresses the effect of gravity on light at all, only the space-time through which light passes. I think this leaves out a deeper relationship between energy and gravity outside of our perceived space-time. That is where I think vortexes appear in the truest sense and relate energy with gravity. This is where my idea about space-time comes in. I get into it more here. You're welcome to quote anything from that here. I think I am being pretty consistent, at least intuitively speaking.

I might be misunderstanding you, but light is affected by the gravity from a large enough mass. An event horizon isn't required - so what is an event horizon-like object? I'm not taking the piss here, just trying to understand.

While the scatter-plot model looks good, so far there isn't anything that ties gravity to photons as particles. Gravitic lensing by large masses demonstrate that there is a connection between energy and gravity. Light seems unaffected by discrete gravitic forces until it meets something like an event horizon. It is supposed to be the warping of space-time, but it may be more than that if gravity itself causes energy to vortex. In order to account for the small gravity forces, we need to scale down energy as well. The goal would be to measure gravitic lensing on double-slit experiment with super-cooled photons. They should give a predictable rates of lensing based on nearby masses which means it would probably need to be done in deep space and near a very massive object. I would predict that monochromatic light would scatter in an arc because the cooling would decrease the energy of the photon and make it more affected by gravity. It would be better to run the experiment within an event horizon, but really I believe everything is interrelated and minimizing the variable of energy should reveal further traits of photons. I'm not sure we are anywhere near able to actually perform the experiment. I have no idea how to model the experiments mathematically. It just seems intuitive that vortexes help explain how particle-waves propagate even with relation to gravity. The self-similarity is the vortex nature of orbits which also spiral.

We need to spend more money on experimental science. This is why we don't have nice things! Incidentally, I have no real formal education in advanced physics, it's just a casual interest.

Now that's pretty interesting.

Can you describe these experiments for us? A simplified version of what you'd be looking for and what it would mean?

I grok where you are coming from, but prefer vortex patterns as a description of universal self-similarity. Energy propagates radially but has properties that appear laterally as well as linearly. I think quantum interference patterns are waves that propagate in a vortex pattern with both radial and lateral directionality. I think this is supported by monochromatic interference fringes. The vortex itself is the wave crossing space-time dimensions and could probably be measured with laser cooling experiments.

Hehe senses and perception hehe

This thread has extended beyond sensible explanations...

More integers and units, please.

Oh, from my understanding every thing is a vibration, happyness comes and goe, sadness comesand goes, life comes and goes. The white blood cells vibrational pattern would be to grow and live, contain bacteria inside it self, then self destruct(killing everything inside). All those examples could be represented in a wave(like the stock market type of wave) but they all go back down to zero representing death or no more vibration. Although atoms vibrate and constantly move(according to science) so everything is a vibration even if we as a person dies.

Thinking back on it i think i said vibrational patterns becuase its easyer for me to explain then to say "the X organisms in your body cease to obtain energy through food or liquids by means of putting it into your body with your arms" but that sounds contridictory and most people die by organ failure not starvations so i went with vibrational patterns.

What you said makes sense, the part that doesn't make sense is the "vibrational patterns" thing

I thought Xenland was using poetic imagery to describe a spiritual relationship with the universe. I was just confused at first because it was in a sciencey thread. If you take it in the context I think he meant it, it's a rather nice idea. Not reality, but then what shaman was ever anchored in reality?

W/e mate neither of us are scientists i've got stuff to attend to then the accuracy of my words with a language that already has many ambigiousness to it to begin with.

Excuse me but the "vibrational patterns" thing is nonsense, and what has "quantum" to do with that?

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Approximately 80,000 carats if you could extract all the carbon in the various organic compounds.  Significantly more if you're not as picky about purity.

Sorry, zombies only eat but do not digest. Their physiology is magical. See this wikipedia entry for more information.

The body does not "produce" energy.  That energy is already in the foods we eat.  It's the same energy that's been around since the beginning of the universe.  We simply release that energy when we break down molecules in our cells.  Now, if you could continue to eat after you die, then this discussion might have a future.  Zombies...anyone...

Yes! Robin Williams a la Mr. Roberts.

~Cackling Bear~