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legendary
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April 22, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
#28
Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news.

Actually, if they charged the users for it, it would be a good thing.



I meant they may charge coin makers for the privilege of getting rated. And that is dangerous territory.

Right. On that, we're agreed.
hero member
Activity: 1204
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April 22, 2014, 11:11:15 AM
#27
Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news.

Actually, if they charged the users for it, it would be a good thing.



I meant they may charge coin makers for the privilege of getting rated. And that is dangerous territory.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
April 22, 2014, 05:29:36 AM
#26
I wonder if ratings could be wholly or partially calculated using a defined algorithm. Take the humans out of the loop and just use market data.

Market data could be misleading. For a while AuroraCoin seemed to be the best coin after BTC. Just take a look at it now...
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 05:00:47 AM
#25
I wonder if ratings could be wholly or partially calculated using a defined algorithm. Take the humans out of the loop and just use market data.
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 04:52:27 AM
#24
An independent "coin rating agency" would be a good concept.

Issues:
- As we seen in 2007 these agencies are quite easy to manipulate.
- It would be difficult to set up a rally independent one as most people here are involved with coins (at least treading them) and have personal feelings towards the devs.
- An independent ratings agency should be paid by the community and not by the devs/fanboys/investors.
- An independent ratings agency should not trade or invest into these alts.
- These guys should be anonymous to ensure their security. But in this case how can we know if lets say a bunch of devs infiltrated into their ranks?

If they can't trade and the community will pay them, then these blokes will starve to death very soon Smiley.
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 04:04:34 AM
#23
Is Rapecoin used to purchase or sell rape  Huh
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 03:40:09 AM
#22
Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news.

Actually, if they charged the users for it, it would be a good thing.

Back in tha day, the bond ratings agencies were honest. They were honest because they were paid by the bond buyers: they realized that pump games or naivete would hurt the very people that were paying them. Said investors had no qualms about taking their business elsewhere, so if a rating agency had even a minor oops - let alone the fustercluck that was revealed in '08 - its pocketbook got whacked.

What changed? The revenue stream. Around the 1980s or so, the ratings agencies began collecting their pay from the bond issuers. Now you can see why their eyes became starrier and rainbow-filled! If an agency was too skeptical, the issuer paying the bills would take his business elsewhere. There was a cultural lag and concern for the brand, but eventually the ratings agencies became as compromised as the research departments of financial institutions with corporate-finance departments. Wink

So...if an honest and reputable altcoin rating service came along that was financed totally by buyers of altcoins, they'd have to be pro-buyer. Every buyer they get into trouble adds to the risk of them going tarts-up.

In line with your example, we would then have a multitude of cryptocoin rating services, in fact it would make sense for a new coin dev to start a rating service to provide thrills and good vibes to investors  Wink
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 02:44:43 AM
#21
Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news.

Actually, if they charged the users for it, it would be a good thing.

Back in tha day, the bond ratings agencies were honest. They were honest because they were paid by the bond buyers: they realized that pump games or naivete would hurt the very people that were paying them. Said investors had no qualms about taking their business elsewhere, so if a rating agency had even a minor oops - let alone the fustercluck that was revealed in '08 - its pocketbook got whacked.

What changed? The revenue stream. Around the 1980s or so, the ratings agencies began collecting their pay from the bond issuers. Now you can see why their eyes became starrier and rainbow-filled! If an agency was too skeptical, the issuer paying the bills would take his business elsewhere. There was a cultural lag and concern for the brand, but eventually the ratings agencies became as compromised as the research departments of financial institutions with corporate-finance departments. Wink

So...if an honest and reputable altcoin rating service came along that was financed totally by buyers of altcoins, they'd have to be pro-buyer. Every buyer they get into trouble adds to the risk of them going tarts-up.
member
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April 22, 2014, 01:10:51 AM
#20
Um... freedom is a key of creation.

Over freedom is also a key of destruction.

So let's the natural selection dictates who will survive.

However, CCB (if finally formed) can provide a guideline for helping people to judge which coins are good, which are bad.

CCB won't judge, but help people to judge by themselves.
hero member
Activity: 1204
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April 22, 2014, 12:58:54 AM
#19
I think if people want to invest in coins called rapecoin, scamcoin and Fuckcoin then let them. If you are going to make an website rating all the different coins then sure but I don't think Bitcointalk should be regulated like this. I've seen the threads of these particular coins and I was a bit the same at first but then realized that I really don't care because it's up to each individual to make up their own mind. Many new people will start with Bitcoin and coming here I doubt their first choice would be a coin called rapecoin or scamcoin and if they did invest in them, it is up to them.  

I think such groups rating coins are on their way, regardless of what this forum does. I do question if they are needed for coins like rapecoin/scamcoin/fuckcoin and the like, however. I mean, what type of person needs a rating group to tell them that those coins may not be wise investments?

I'd be fine with some forum moderation here, within reason. To be honest, I was surprised when I started here and saw basically no moderation whatsoever. I'd say removing anything promoting illegal activity wouldn't be such a bad idea. It doesn't matter though what we say, as if moderators haven't done anything about it by now, I doubt they will.
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 12:50:23 AM
#18
I think if people want to invest in coins called rapecoin, scamcoin and Fuckcoin then let them. If you are going to make an website rating all the different coins then sure but I don't think Bitcointalk should be regulated like this. I've seen the threads of these particular coins and I was a bit the same at first but then realized that I really don't care because it's up to each individual to make up their own mind. Many new people will start with Bitcoin and coming here I doubt their first choice would be a coin called rapecoin or scamcoin and if they did invest in them, it is up to them.  
hero member
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April 22, 2014, 12:47:20 AM
#17


Satoshi started Bitcoin based on some forum post! This is not about someone needing the skillset to start something like this. It is a person actually being proactive to start something like this.
Problem here is the media landscape has groomed us to not trust individuals anymore thus having to trust in institutions it is a fallacy and its very point is to keep us from banding together and that is why we get this heavy paranoia in here about scammers when there is little proof from anyone that there is in fact any scam going forward! My suggestion is try and keep this to what it is..an attempt to round up some like minded mature individuals to help setup something that can be beneficial for this space..don't ruin that and twist it into your paranoias, misconceptions and warped view on reality!

You automatically assume I felt the OP was not qualified, I see.

I never said such. I simply asked if the OP had any qualifications that would make him appropriate to start such a group.

If a new member, they may not have the background as to know what type of people post in this forum or enough experience with cryptos. Hence why I asked. And if not a new member, we'd question why they are using a fake account.

Edited: mistakenly thought the OP was replying.
legendary
Activity: 1876
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April 22, 2014, 12:43:20 AM
#16

Today i announce CCB (Crypro Certification Board)

The board will review every old as well as new coin submitted on the basis of innovation, dedication, and future ideas for real world applications.

stop with the innovation bs since btc/ltc there hasn't been any Smiley nothing of note other then innovation to say its 'innovative' and flog of an equally shit scamcoin.
hero member
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April 22, 2014, 12:42:32 AM
#15
Thank you so much for your help. I really need someone to tell me Herpes coin is crap.



Oh this may be unrelated but can someone please tell me the difference between my ass and elbow?

Yeah, that is another valid point. If someone needs a group to tell them that they shouldn't invest their life savings into Herpes Coin or Rape Coin, they have bigger problems than how to invest in a coin. They should see a doctor as perhaps they just had a stroke or fell on their head one too many times.

What people probably could use, but it's out of our hands, is real forum moderation. And I don't mean censorship. I mean outright scams (like nearly 100% certain it's a scam), trolling, and coins that are over the top offensive or clearly pure junk (such as those promoting illegal activity) ... could be cleaned up from the forum. There is no way to stop people from making terrible coins, nor should anyone even try to stop them. But the forum can be  moderated to a somewhat normal extent.

Again, no way to make the moderators do this, however.
legendary
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April 22, 2014, 12:35:44 AM
#14

So,

Today i announce CCB (Crypro Certification Board)

The board will review every old as well as new coin submitted on the basis of innovation, dedication, and future ideas for real world applications. Based on this review, certifications will be awarded to these coins. People will be educated to invest their time and money in CCB Certified coins only.

I request moderators and distinguished members to come forward and start sketching the workings of the board.

We really need this

And what is your background and why do you feel you are qualified to start this type of group?

As stated by someone else, if you want distinguished members here, you may have slim pickings if you want honest appraisals. Many distinguished people here are 'distinguished' for their bad behavior .. the same people who formed that shitcoin killing group. And the same people who have scammed and cheated people here with their shitcoins, or have taken part in their own shady dealings.

And forum moderators barely show up here at all, as from what I can see. Normal moderated forums would have removed coins like rapecoin as soon as they were posted -- both for moral reasons, and legal reasons.

Sad as it is to say, this place is not the place to look for honest members who can fairly review coins. You'll basically end up with scammers reviewing other coins from scammers.

Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news. If free, and if the members are professionally organized (meaning not based on some forum post), I guess it could be better than nothing.

Satoshi started Bitcoin based on some forum post! This is not about someone needing the skillset to start something like this. It is a person actually being proactive to start something like this.
Problem here is the media landscape has groomed us to not trust individuals anymore thus having to trust in institutions it is a fallacy and its very point is to keep us from banding together and that is why we get this heavy paranoia in here about scammers when there is little proof from anyone that there is in fact any scam going forward! My suggestion is try and keep this to what it is..an attempt to round up some like minded mature individuals to help setup something that can be beneficial for this space..don't ruin that and twist it into your paranoias, misconceptions and warped view on reality!
hero member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 509
April 22, 2014, 12:25:50 AM
#13

So,

Today i announce CCB (Crypro Certification Board)

The board will review every old as well as new coin submitted on the basis of innovation, dedication, and future ideas for real world applications. Based on this review, certifications will be awarded to these coins. People will be educated to invest their time and money in CCB Certified coins only.

I request moderators and distinguished members to come forward and start sketching the workings of the board.

We really need this

And what is your background and why do you feel you are qualified to start this type of group?

As stated by someone else, if you want distinguished members here, you may have slim pickings if you want honest appraisals. Many distinguished people here are 'distinguished' for their bad behavior .. the same people who formed that shitcoin killing group. And the same people who have scammed and cheated people here with their shitcoins, or have taken part in their own shady dealings.

And forum moderators barely show up here at all, as from what I can see. Normal moderated forums would have removed coins like rapecoin as soon as they were posted -- both for moral reasons, and legal reasons.

Sad as it is to say, this place is not the place to look for honest members who can fairly review coins. You'll basically end up with scammers reviewing other coins from scammers.

Anyway, I believe the exchanges may be arranging something like this anyway? Or some group is. I recall the NobleCoin dev commenting on some groups forming as a way to rate coins. If they charge for it, it's bad news. If free, and if the members are professionally organized (meaning not based on some forum post), I guess it could be better than nothing.
full member
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April 22, 2014, 12:08:52 AM
#12
You mean the rating agencies who facilitated the last economic depression by labeling junk Class AAA. Or maybe you mean rating agencies like Egan-Jones who was the only honest agency who got thrown out for a technicality on some paper work. Yeah please more regulation that's exactly what decentralized digital currency that attempts to avoid government politically motivated BS.

You rightfully point out the problems of government approved ratings agencies.  Hopefully no one is advocating government intervention.  However the principle is having a services that review other services and coins is still valid and would satisfy the following:

We need people to bring news of CRypto together from people who know what they are talking about. They can review new coins etc just like any new technology gets reviewed. So I'm not suggesting some decentralized power I'm just suggesting that there is an opportunity in the market for a better blog, website, news site that really brings it all together. And not just focused on the big players like Bitcoin.

legendary
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April 21, 2014, 02:56:55 AM
#11
Here is what we need as a community. We need people to bring news of CRypto togther from people who know what they are talking about. They can review new coins etc just like any new technology gets reviewed. So I'm not suggesting some decentralized power I'm just suggesting that there is an opportunity in the market for a better blog, website, news site that really brings it all together. And not just focused on the big players like Bitcoin.


Anyone can do this if they have the desire to bring better knowledge to the crypto world. That's all we need.....And it will happen I believe if it hasn't already?


So great opportunity, website that brings alternative economic news, tech and Crypto together, get to it....someone.
legendary
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April 21, 2014, 02:50:20 AM
#10
Within the Wall Street investment community there are various rating agencies, such as Fitch, S&P and Moody's.  They rate many of the financial products, such as bonds.

There are many services in the crypto currency community and there have been many scams, hacking and thefts.  New users have fallen victim to all manner of fraud.

There would be much benefit from having multiple, competing ratings organizations for the many crypto currency services.  These organizations could rate all the services from exchanges, online wallets, markets, software developers, newsletters, hardware manufacturers and the coins themselves.

Crypto-currencies are not regulated by any government.  One of the points of Bitcoin and other currencies to be free of government regulation, but the free market can regulate itself.  Even in the anarchist dream of having no government, there would still be schools, police and fire departments, but they are privately operated.  Let there be privately operated ratings organizations; more than one so any bias from one group can be counterbalanced by the others.

how the board know it is a good or bad coin


Such a board could do its research and provide professionally written and well documented reports (with many footnotes, links and references) using their own standards for what constitutes a good or bad coin.  It will still be up to the user to determine if the board knows what they are talking about.  If a user could read three well reports from three different rating boards, he/she could hopefully make up his/her mind and have an informed decision not to invest in an IPO of a user with an activity of 3.  

These boards would have their hands full scouring the internet for all the information for their reports.


You mean the rating agencies who facilitated the last economic depression by labeling junk Class AAA. Or maybe you mean rating agencies like Egan-Jones who was the only honest agency who got thrown out for a technicality on some paper work. Yeah please more regulation that's exactly what decentralized digital currency that attempts to avoid government politically motivated BS.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
April 21, 2014, 02:46:13 AM
#9
Thank you so much for your help. I really need someone to tell me Herpes coin is crap.



Oh this may be unrelated but can someone please tell me the difference between my ass and elbow?
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