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jr. member
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June 28, 2011, 07:32:05 PM
#64
The BTC community is/was largely made out of extreme tech geeks.
As such, there will be a large proportion of people with asperger/autist tendencies, social insensitivity, irritation and other "flaws".

http://www.theonion.com/video/autistic-reporter-train-thankfully-unharmed-in-cra,20098/

Speaking of Asperger's: http://www.theonion.com/articles/bill-gates-grants-self-18-dexterity-20-charisma,837/

Quote from: theymos
If anyone claims that Bitcoin is somehow associated with Linux, remind them that Bitcoin was originally developed on Windows, and the first version was Windows-only with no command-line at all.

The ideas that drive Bitcoin have decidedly more affinity with the ideas behind Linux than Windows though.

Quote from: vector76
Linux users lie if they say they have never done this: log in as root and 'make install' on something you just downloaded.

I don't think anyone claimed that. Lots of Linux users don't even remember the root password BTW, and use sudo instead. Which is not quite the same as running as root, or Administrator as it may be. And most Linux users will use the official, signed repositories to install software from.

Quote from: Gabi
Bullshit, if people install viruses and use infected pirated shit is not Microsoft fault.

The mindset is. Look beyond the product and see the motives driving it. The fundamental difference between Microsoft and something like Linux will not only have influence on the product and how it behaves (Linux lets you do anything, Microsoft views their customers as the enemy (DRM)), but ultimately the mindset of the user as well. Think of the generic response to bullshit copy protection that makes it impossible to play the game you paid for: piracy. This devalues everything in the Windows world and instills a throwaway culture that is destructive in every sense, including security. Rocketfella illustrates above: "If your account gets cracked and is used for spam, you can create another email address and continue with what it's about: communication." - "Well, computers get slower over time, I just have to buy a new one or hand mine over to my neighborhood geek to fix it". Also, it doesn't matter if their HDD breaks. They don't have backups, but the files on their computer weren't important to them anyways and all their important holiday photos are on facebook anyways. - Incidentally, Facebook just threw away a whole bunch of user photos because they were uploaded by some third party software that got too many dislikes (the pictures that were uploaded through them, not the software..).

Windows apologists should realize that Microsoft is the Federal Reserve of computing and just maybe they don't deserve to be supported. Same goes for Facebook but that's another story. In practical terms Windows may finally be getting more secure technically, but the business model invariably taints the user which eventually results in diminished security.

I'm not advocating people use Linux for 'over 9000 security!', but simply because in the long run humanity is better off with it than with Windows.
hero member
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June 28, 2011, 03:09:00 AM
#63
I used to work as an engineer in the automotive industry and I'd love to do a design where your engine cylinders shoots out thru the dashboard into your skull because you were too 'stupid to notice your engine timing was dangerously off'

Then when it happened blame the soccer mom driving.. oh wait but we intend to have an economy without women right? I  mean women dont buy things righ?

Ah, but that sort of attitude got us the useless "Check Engine" light. (And Microsoft Windows, which is full of "Check Engine" lights, AND randomly shoots engine cylinders into your skull.) There has to be somewhere to meet in the middle?

As for Bitcoin, you certainly don't hand your prototypes to a random soccer mom off the street, right? At least not outside of carefully controlled studies. Bitcoin is barely past the prototype stage as-is, and the press got hold of it long before it was really ready. The result has been Bitcoin's last four or five months of history. What would happen if Motor Trend or Car & Driver laid hands on your prototype?
administrator
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June 28, 2011, 03:01:50 AM
#62
Bitcoin is not just for Linux users

If anyone claims that Bitcoin is somehow associated with Linux, remind them that Bitcoin was originally developed on Windows, and the first version was Windows-only with no command-line at all.
newbie
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June 28, 2011, 02:56:29 AM
#61
You shouldn't ever write when your agitated, but here goes.

Bitcoin is not just for Linux users
Think about whether you fancy yourself as part of the "technological ruling elite". Bitcoin has nothing to do with any OS. All people should be able to freely use and enjoy this technological advancement. Different OS's represent different user groups, and those groups may differ from you in many ways. They probably differ in technical expertise from yourself. The solution isn't to make them just like you....

Stop Blaming the victims
It's already well known that for every hack some portion of the blame will rest on the victim. No doubt, they will also be blaming themselves. Most likely they were running windows, and they didn't do X, Y, or Z. Instead of trolling their loss, show some empathy, and work out what we have learned. See if theres anyway the 'bitcoin system' could be set up to avoid these kinds of losses (to go hand in hand with 'user education').

Stop being so God-damn defensive
We are all indebted to the people who develop bitcoin. Still, they are men and women, not Gods. If you see a new comminuty forming around Bitcoin (as is happening), and they have different needs, roll with it. Just say, "yes, the client (or documentation, or whatever) can always improve. We are working on it, and would love to hear your ideas". If we start setting up sacred cows its only encourages more trolling on 'both sides' when in reality were on the 'same side'. Case in point, having to know that you even have a wallet.dat file, let alone that is unencrypted, is a area of bitcoin that can be, and is being, improved. Just admit it. If you do admit it, dont worry - it doesn't mean all of bitcoin will go down as a failure for all of time.

Clearly the bitcoin community has seen a rapid increase of users that differ somewhat from the initial users. There are growing pains. Can't we all just get along? *Group Hug*.

I used to work as an engineer in the automotive industry and I'd love to do a design where your engine cylinders shoots out thru the dashboard into your skull because you were too 'stupid to notice your engine timing was dangerously off'

Then when it happened blame the soccer mom driving.. oh wait but we intend to have an economy without women right? I  mean women dont buy things righ?

full member
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June 28, 2011, 02:16:03 AM
#60
I have 4 dedicated Windows 7 mining rigs.  They are on their own separate network behind a firewall which blocks all incoming access and is configured to allow outbound access only to a small list of sites (basically just the various mining pools & windows update).  I don't see how my choice of operating system is a threat to the Bitcoin network, but I am willing to be enlightened.

It is protected against the internet, but not against the internal net. The firewall machines can be taken over first.
full member
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June 28, 2011, 02:14:16 AM
#59
The use of Windows operating systems, particularly for mining, is a threat to the security of the Bitcoin network.

Stop it.

I agree.

How exactly does using windows for mining threaten the security of the Bitcoin network?  This must have been intended as a joke.

You can take over many mining machines and reverse transactions.
full member
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June 28, 2011, 02:13:32 AM
#58
The use of Windows operating systems, particularly for mining, is a threat to the security of the Bitcoin network.

Stop it.

I agree.
I think updates have alot to do with it. Windows should do a better job at forcing people to update, and that right there would keep 95% of the computers hack proof. Windows is really good at patching hacks, especially ever since windows 7 came out. This is really their baby, and they are trying really hard to end this Windows hackers culture.

EDIT: And everyone on here should be on windows 7 or windows server 2008. If you are running XP or any older versions of windows, you deserve to get hacked. 

Except that on Windows you have hundreds of third party apps that you have to keep up do date. Most viruses came via Flash, JVM etc.
hero member
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June 27, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
#57
...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?
It was a joke linking the OS war and the lisp comments above my post with the vi vs emacs holy wars.

That's a fair reply and I am humbled.
sr. member
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June 27, 2011, 05:53:09 PM
#56
So are there any Bitcoin related Emacs extensions or Vim scripts yet?

I was thinking this morning:
"Man, I'd like an emacs extension! I would be able to hide my wallet.dat in any file I want, on the fly!"
Sadly I don't know enough about C to do the same thing efficiently.  Cry

In addition, this would be supported on every OS.

This proves Lisp is the way to go.  Grin
newbie
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June 27, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
#55
The BTC community is/was largely made out of extreme tech geeks.
As such, there will be a large proportion of people with asperger/autist tendencies, social insensitivity, irritation and other "flaws".

http://www.theonion.com/video/autistic-reporter-train-thankfully-unharmed-in-cra,20098/
full member
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June 27, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
#54
pffft.

i don't use a roofing hammer to put a picture-frame hook into wallboard.

there's no real elitism that i can see - just a certain amount of vocal practicality.

i would never recommend that a musician or graphic artist use anything but a MacOS.

likewise, i would hardly suggest anything but Windows to a serious gamer.

and - whether one cares to admit it or not - when dealing with either the security requirements of large sums of computerized money or the computational overkill of mining, i can't imagine using anything but some flavor of *nix.

and now, if you will all excuse me, i'm going to go mix up a margarita for lunch with the squirrel-cage fan in one of my reference 5870s...
newbie
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June 27, 2011, 03:19:59 PM
#53
Instead of trolling their loss, show some empathy, and work out what we have learned.

I'm glad you wrote while agitated, everything in this post is something that needed to be said, especially the part I quoted.  Well done.
newbie
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June 27, 2011, 03:19:01 PM
#52
...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?
It was a joke linking the OS war and the lisp comments above my post with the vi vs emacs holy wars.
hero member
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June 27, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
#51
Adding to the OS war, it could be that many users are running pirate copies of W7 and don't get updates.  Linux is "free" by comparison and some who have more time to spend learning two or more OS prefer the flexibility.  I know lots of people who like Linux because of the front end (like gnome) and it makes it like a windows computer - they couldn't use Linux it they tried.

As for the elitist crap that swirls around - there is heaps.   May as well start a Mac vs PC war as well.
legendary
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June 27, 2011, 02:57:39 PM
#50
sudo make me a sandwich
member
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June 27, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
#49
I wonder how ppl can get infected by that trojan  Roll Eyes Maybe "instal->next->next->yes->accept" Grin

Not being a target sound a lot like "security through obscurity", you are not safe, but no one look for you so you are not in danger... until someone start looking for you and then you are fucked because you aren't used to fight attacks everyday

Linux users lie if they say they have never done this: log in as root and 'make install' on something you just downloaded.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
June 27, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
#48
I wonder how ppl can get infected by that trojan  Roll Eyes Maybe "instal->next->next->yes->accept" Grin

Not being a target sound a lot like "security through obscurity", you are not safe, but no one look for you so you are not in danger... until someone start looking for you and then you are fucked because you aren't used to fight attacks everyday
sr. member
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June 27, 2011, 02:40:28 PM
#47
Windows is a huge target, there's already a dedicated bitcoin stealing trojan for it - look at the people who's wallets were stolen! Linux and Mac ARE more secure for that reason alone.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
June 27, 2011, 02:36:25 PM
#46
Windows is NOT insecure, stop saying bullshits

If you are an idiot you will end up installing viruses in a linux or mac computer too, is it linux or mac insecure then?

I use windows and no problems since ages, probably even before Windows XP. And Windows 7 rule.

Most of the software I use comes from the distro repository so I'm pretty unlikely to install a virus that way, whereas windows users are used to just downloading and installing an exe.  That's not good practice, really.  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.

I use linux as much as possible, but sometimes I have to edit a word document in the native MS app.  It's a hegemony, should I have to pay for that?  Well most people I know didn't pay for MS Office for their home PC, they pirated it.   Another vulnerability.  Nobody is going to get a virus from a pirated LibreOffice, cos it's free!  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.





Bullshit, if people install viruses and use infected pirated shit is not Microsoft fault. And is not related to Windows being unsecure.

I have an original and updated Windows 7 and i do not install infected shit, i am not less secure than linux
hero member
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June 27, 2011, 02:35:28 PM
#45
So are there any Bitcoin related Emacs extensions or Vim scripts yet?

...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?
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