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Topic: Entangled - Why America must stay engaged in the Middle East (Read 1228 times)

legendary
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Most Americans don´t have a clue what all those wars here and there are about (well apart from god, country and democracy of course), are always eager to have the troops fight though.

Decades of brainwashing by the CNN and MSNBC is having its effect. There was a recent survey among the Americans, checking their opinion on Ukraine. Most of the respondents wanted American troops to be stationed in Ukraine, to fight the pro-Russians. But very few could tell the exact location of Ukraine. For a large number of people, Ukraine was located somewhere in North America.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/



It's really hard to look at the location of some of these dots and think that the respondent wasn't trolling. Or else we have to conclude there are a troubling number of people who don't know how maps work and put Ukraine in the middle of the ocean.
legendary
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Most Americans don´t have a clue what all those wars here and there are about (well apart from god, country and democracy of course), are always eager to have the troops fight though.

Decades of brainwashing by the CNN and MSNBC is having its effect. There was a recent survey among the Americans, checking their opinion on Ukraine. Most of the respondents wanted American troops to be stationed in Ukraine, to fight the pro-Russians. But very few could tell the exact location of Ukraine. For a large number of people, Ukraine was located somewhere in North America.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/

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After reading all the comments above, I have to agree that wherever US went to bring in the PEACE, thing gone extremely wrong. These US fundings to small organizations in ME has to stop. Only the local people are suffering because of this non-sense.
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You're retarded. I have a fair grasp of the situation going on. They are both terrorists. Just because one has a flashy title doesn't excuse the fact that Bashar is indeed a terrorist. He uses chemical gas on his own people.
If he's not a terrorist then you're a terrorist lover!

Cheesy

No mate, as I see you have little knowledge about what's going on there. Actually the US backed FSA used chemical weapons on civilian population to provoke a (for them) favourable reaction from their western allies...

FYI:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

I think that's mostly just speculation, I'm not particularly fond of US ideologies of interference among external affairs as though it's their responsibility, but using chemical weapons on the civilian population is something I don't fathom could take place with the government having complete knowledge. But then again, there are always delusional minds considering every act of violence they commit as a necessary evil.
 
legendary
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Yeah, there was never war in the Middle East before America brought all the hate and weapons, ruining the rainbows and multi-ethnic harmony for everyone!

I never said that there was no conflict in the Middle East, before the Americans started their dirty work. The Americans either inflamed the old tensions (such as those between Iraq and Kuwait) or created entirely new conflicts (like the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988), solely for their own benefit. I have no doubt in saying that Middle East would have been a much better place, without the Americans.

No, you said there would peace. My point is that the thousands of years of war in the area stand in stark contrast to your assertion. Absent America, there is still not peace in the Middle East.
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Most Americans don´t have a clue what all those wars here and there are about (well apart from god, country and democracy of course), are always eager to have the troops fight though.
legendary
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There is no denial that Assad is tyrant, However there is a proper way to handle this situation and get rid of Assad from his palace. If U.S has smartly approached Iran to get the Assad out, by now Syria would have one of the good elected government. It is actually a psychological war between Iran and Gulf countries, but I do not see GCC are doing any favor to Muslims across the world

How come Bashar al Assad is a tyrant and King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia is not one? The Americans are calling people like Assad as tyrants, and at the same time supporting dictators and tyrants who are even worse when compared to Assad. Why this double speak? I can perfectly understand why the Americans got their sudden concern about the democratic situation in Syria.
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I cant believe that article failed to mention all the Saudi money that keeps funding the terrorists. Including ISIS, Bashar Al Asaid, Boko Haram and AQAP just to list a few.

If you think that Bashar al Assad (president of Syria) and the Islamic State is the same, then you have ZERO understanding of the situation in the middle east.

It is true that money from the Saudi Arabia and Qatar is what keeping the ISIS alive. And so far, the United States and its NATO allies have not shown any committment to stop these financial inflows.

You're retarded. I have a fair grasp of the situation going on. They are both terrorists. Just because one has a flashy title doesn't excuse the fact that Bashar is indeed a terrorist. He uses chemical gas on his own people.
If he's not a terrorist then you're a terrorist lover!

Cheesy





There is no denial that Assad is tyrant, However there is a proper way to handle this situation and get rid of Assad from his palace. If U.S has smartly approached Iran to get the Assad out, by now Syria would have one of the good elected government. It is actually a psychological war between Iran and Gulf countries, but I do not see GCC are doing any favor to Muslims across the world
legendary
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You're blaming the US for Ukraine's problems, why?

Who else should share the blame? The CIA spend some $5 billion to topple the democratically elected government by Viktor Yanukovych, and replaced it with a junta dominated by the neo-Nazis and rabid Russophobes. Without the intervention by the United States, Ukraine would have been a peaceful place right now.
hero member
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Yes, if everything you touch turns into horse manure don´t give up, do more of the same. Great advice, just look at Ukraine now.

You're blaming the US for Ukraine's problems, why?

Crimea voted to join Russia, no? What's the problem with that? The US didn't force Russia to invade.

U.S. instigated the coup in Ukraine after which everything went to hell, so I blame them yes. And I can´t really blame the Crimeans and the eastern people in Ukraine for not being terribly excited about the Fascist/nazi crap that U.S. favors over there.
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Yes, if everything you touch turns into horse manure don´t give up, do more of the same. Great advice, just look at Ukraine now.

You're blaming the US for Ukraine's problems, why?

Crimea voted to join Russia, no? What's the problem with that? The US didn't force Russia to invade.
hero member
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Yes, if everything you touch turns into horse manure don´t give up, do more of the same. Great advice, just look at Ukraine now.
legendary
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Yeah, there was never war in the Middle East before America brought all the hate and weapons, ruining the rainbows and multi-ethnic harmony for everyone!

I never said that there was no conflict in the Middle East, before the Americans started their dirty work. The Americans either inflamed the old tensions (such as those between Iraq and Kuwait) or created entirely new conflicts (like the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988), solely for their own benefit. I have no doubt in saying that Middle East would have been a much better place, without the Americans.
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Without the Americans and their weapons supply, Middle East would be a peaceful place. Look at Syria. Before the Americans armed the Islamist FSA to wage war against the Assad government there, it was a peaceful country, where Alawites, Sunni Arabs, Sunni Kurds, Yazidis, Christians and Turkmen lived in complete harmony. The Americans messed it up.

Yeah, there was never war in the Middle East before America brought all the hate and weapons, ruining the rainbows and multi-ethnic harmony for everyone!
legendary
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You're retarded. I have a fair grasp of the situation going on. They are both terrorists. Just because one has a flashy title doesn't excuse the fact that Bashar is indeed a terrorist. He uses chemical gas on his own people.
If he's not a terrorist then you're a terrorist lover!

Yeah... you are indeed having a fair grasp of the situation. Your friends, the Al Qaeda allied FSA used chemical weapons in Syria against the civilian population. And right now, Bashar al Assad is the only person who is capable of defeating the ISIS in Syria. You can support the Al Qaeda and the ISIS as much as you like, but don't whine here claiming that Assad is a terrorist.
legendary
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You're retarded. I have a fair grasp of the situation going on. They are both terrorists. Just because one has a flashy title doesn't excuse the fact that Bashar is indeed a terrorist. He uses chemical gas on his own people.
If he's not a terrorist then you're a terrorist lover!

Cheesy

No mate, as I see you have little knowledge about what's going on there. Actually the US backed FSA used chemical weapons on civilian population to provoke a (for them) favourable reaction from their western allies...

FYI:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188
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So what was the Economist's conclusion in the article. What were their reasons for America to stay engaged in the Middle East? Did they mention any intervention from any other country?
legendary
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I cant believe that article failed to mention all the Saudi money that keeps funding the terrorists. Including ISIS, Bashar Al Asaid, Boko Haram and AQAP just to list a few.

If you think that Bashar al Assad (president of Syria) and the Islamic State is the same, then you have ZERO understanding of the situation in the middle east.

It is true that money from the Saudi Arabia and Qatar is what keeping the ISIS alive. And so far, the United States and its NATO allies have not shown any committment to stop these financial inflows.

You're retarded. I have a fair grasp of the situation going on. They are both terrorists. Just because one has a flashy title doesn't excuse the fact that Bashar is indeed a terrorist. He uses chemical gas on his own people.
If he's not a terrorist then you're a terrorist lover!

Cheesy



legendary
Activity: 3752
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I cant believe that article failed to mention all the Saudi money that keeps funding the terrorists. Including ISIS, Bashar Al Asaid, Boko Haram and AQAP just to list a few.

If you think that Bashar al Assad (president of Syria) and the Islamic State is the same, then you have ZERO understanding of the situation in the middle east.

It is true that money from the Saudi Arabia and Qatar is what keeping the ISIS alive. And so far, the United States and its NATO allies have not shown any committment to stop these financial inflows.
legendary
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I cant believe that article failed to mention all the Saudi money that keeps funding the terrorists. Including ISIS, Bashar Al Asaid, Boko Haram and AQAP just to list a few.
If the money got cut off early on like in the AQ days and the Saudi's faced more pressure from the western world maybe the violence wouldn't be so bad today. Granted, ISIS is now armed to the tee mainly because of the American equipment they came into when the Iraqis ran and left all the stock behind but up till that point most weapons and equipment used by most of the terrorists today was Saudi funded.

Anyway, a big problem is the Saudi's and their willingness to fund terror.

Just wanted to get that out there.
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