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Topic: EOS - Asynchronous Smart Contract Platform - (Dan Larimer of Bitshares/Steem) - page 168. (Read 189731 times)

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What was round 0 ICO price?
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ICO price seems to drop considerably right now. Of course, it could go lower but at last, we are below round 0 price.
EOS below ICO price is a nobrainer for me. I will definitely buy all the way down from here. Weak hands are getting shaken out.
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ICO price seems to drop considerably right now. Of course, it could go lower but at last, we are below round 0 price.
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I am also always on the telegram group and  your questions are regurgitated daily.


All your points well taken except for the above. Why not here on the #1 crypto portal and point of first entry for many?

And I'm not even insinuating daily. How about just once?

Indirectly I guess you have. As Wekkel said a few posts above, it's about faith. Would you directly agree?


Edit: Oh, and the less than unimportant fact that Block.one will come away from this with a billion plus USD, for a wing and a prayer? Agreed?

1. someone was kind enough to set up this thread as a place for people to get info. Upto the team at blockone and EOS i guess

2. it is (partly) about faith. as with most ICOs and even, bitcoin itself. I mean, who thought back in '09 that bitcoin would take off? A lot of people dismissed it, even the smartest ones. And had a lot of questions that couldn't be answered. Yet, here we are

i dont think the ambiquity of the project is anyy different from most ICOs.

the problem people have is with the 1 year token sale and 1 billion tokens

3. to answer you last question

it cuts both ways.I believe EOS and blockone are confident of their product, hence why they are issuing 1 billion tokens at a *free market price*

if all off us decided not to buy, the price would go lower

if less people took part in the token sale daily auction , and less ETH was sent, then they would receive less money

remember, the tokens are priced at the end of the day's window after all ETH has been collected.

So if there's money coming in, means people are interested. Cant really blame the issuer.

Block one are conducting heavy marketing if you look around and  business development. So the money is not going down the drain

also, some of the money will be used to fund projects on EOS blockchain


a lot of people are equating " i dont understand" or "its blurry" to = scam. which is just an opinion


Thank you Afrikoin for your well thought out reasoning and explanations. I will be keeping an open mind (not buying yet, but hey, something's better than nothing) and following along, especially the release of EOS dawn 1.0 and the September UK visit rainbow169 mentioned. Hell, who knows? Like iluvbtc said, with Larimer's record, maybe it's worth a gambleGrin

Thanks all for helping me to get clear on the reality behind this project. Sometimes things looks so crazy, you've just got to ask for confirmation. Cheers!
HR
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NOBODY HAS EVER ANSWERED ANY ONE OF THESE (posted here in the order they were originally posted)
Several of your quotes were statements, not questions...

Token Purchase Agreement shows EOS Tokens are completely useless. Look:
https://eos.io/purchaseagreement/EOS%20Token%20Purchase%20Agreement%20-%20June%2022,%202017.pdf

- EOS TOKENS HAVE NO RIGHTS, USES OR ATTRIBUTES. The EOS Tokens do not have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features, express or implied, including, without limitation, any uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features on the EOS Platform. Company does not guarantee and is not representing in any way to Buyer that the EOS Tokens have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features.

- NOT A PURCHASE OF EOS PLATFORM TOKENS. EOS Tokens purchased under this Agreement are not tokens on the EOS Platform. Buyer acknowledges, understands and agrees that Buyer should not expect and there is no guarantee or representation made by Company that Buyer will receive any other product, service, rights, attributes, functionalities, features or assets of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, any cryptographic tokens or digital assets now or in the future whether through receipt, exchange, conversion, redemption or otherwise.

- PURCHASE OF EOS TOKENS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE AND PURCHASES CANNOT BE CANCELLED. BUYER MAY LOSE ALL AMOUNTS PAID.

- EOS TOKENS MAY HAVE NO VALUE.

- COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REFUSE OR CANCEL EOS TOKEN PURCHASE REQUESTS AT ANY TIME IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.

http://m.memegen.com/9mpqiz.jpg

CoinHoarder, the question/issue was implied, but by the class of this reply of yours I understand how that was lost on you.

You know what shooting yourself in the foot means, right?

A piece of advice: next time think about whether what you're saying/doing is helpful to your cause, or not (this is your thread, right?). Do you think this type of reply to serious issues actually helps the EOS image? (No answer necessary - this is for you to keep for yourself).

Best regards,
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I realize that blockone will not "start" the chain themselves. It will be up to the community to do so. This is so that it is "decentralized" and done by the community.

My question is What kind of computer do I need to be able to run one of the first nodes ? How can I be a producer ?

Anyone could mine ETH or BTC in the beginning. All they needed was a computer and the software.

It seems like very specialized hardware and possibly intranet connection to be able to start this blockchain.

Seeing that there are only 21 producers and nodes getting paid by the network is this just the inner circle like BTS that will be mining this and reaping all of the benefits ?
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It's a gamble, most definite. But the devleoper, Dan Larimer's projects (Bitshares, Steem) have more transactions than ALL other cryptos combined, and thus I have gambled on EOS a bit.
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NOBODY HAS EVER ANSWERED ANY ONE OF THESE (posted here in the order they were originally posted)
Several of your quotes were statements, not questions...

Token Purchase Agreement shows EOS Tokens are completely useless. Look:
https://eos.io/purchaseagreement/EOS%20Token%20Purchase%20Agreement%20-%20June%2022,%202017.pdf

- EOS TOKENS HAVE NO RIGHTS, USES OR ATTRIBUTES. The EOS Tokens do not have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features, express or implied, including, without limitation, any uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features on the EOS Platform. Company does not guarantee and is not representing in any way to Buyer that the EOS Tokens have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features.

- NOT A PURCHASE OF EOS PLATFORM TOKENS. EOS Tokens purchased under this Agreement are not tokens on the EOS Platform. Buyer acknowledges, understands and agrees that Buyer should not expect and there is no guarantee or representation made by Company that Buyer will receive any other product, service, rights, attributes, functionalities, features or assets of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, any cryptographic tokens or digital assets now or in the future whether through receipt, exchange, conversion, redemption or otherwise.

- PURCHASE OF EOS TOKENS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE AND PURCHASES CANNOT BE CANCELLED. BUYER MAY LOSE ALL AMOUNTS PAID.

- EOS TOKENS MAY HAVE NO VALUE.

- COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REFUSE OR CANCEL EOS TOKEN PURCHASE REQUESTS AT ANY TIME IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.



Thank you for explaining this 100x more efficiently and saliently than I would have. Tongue
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NOBODY HAS EVER ANSWERED ANY ONE OF THESE (posted here in the order they were originally posted)
Several of your quotes were statements, not questions...

Token Purchase Agreement shows EOS Tokens are completely useless. Look:
https://eos.io/purchaseagreement/EOS%20Token%20Purchase%20Agreement%20-%20June%2022,%202017.pdf

- EOS TOKENS HAVE NO RIGHTS, USES OR ATTRIBUTES. The EOS Tokens do not have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features, express or implied, including, without limitation, any uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features on the EOS Platform. Company does not guarantee and is not representing in any way to Buyer that the EOS Tokens have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features.

- NOT A PURCHASE OF EOS PLATFORM TOKENS. EOS Tokens purchased under this Agreement are not tokens on the EOS Platform. Buyer acknowledges, understands and agrees that Buyer should not expect and there is no guarantee or representation made by Company that Buyer will receive any other product, service, rights, attributes, functionalities, features or assets of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, any cryptographic tokens or digital assets now or in the future whether through receipt, exchange, conversion, redemption or otherwise.

- PURCHASE OF EOS TOKENS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE AND PURCHASES CANNOT BE CANCELLED. BUYER MAY LOSE ALL AMOUNTS PAID.

- EOS TOKENS MAY HAVE NO VALUE.

- COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REFUSE OR CANCEL EOS TOKEN PURCHASE REQUESTS AT ANY TIME IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.

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Seems like a promising project. There is going to be tough competition in the sidechain technology, yet, early investors would profit anyway.
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EOS dawn 1.0 is coming end of September and EOS team is going to UK for couple of crypto conferences so we should expect some big news release then.

As per today's announcement email, it seems that EOS's high performance is based on a two tier structure, ie. the core of it (block producer networks) are of powerful nodes connected over a backbone like fast connection, while the rest of the nodes are connected to the core via slow links, also block.one will not be launching a public blockchain based on the EOS.IO software. It will be the sole responsibility of third parties and the community and those who wish to become block producers to implement the features and/or provide the services...

I am a bit confused, will there ever be a public EOS chain or was the technology mainly aim for private/corporate implementation?

legendary
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I am also always on the telegram group and  your questions are regurgitated daily.


All your points well taken except for the above. Why not here on the #1 crypto portal and point of first entry for many?

And I'm not even insinuating daily. How about just once?

Indirectly I guess you have. As Wekkel said a few posts above, it's about faith. Would you directly agree?


Edit: Oh, and the less than unimportant fact that Block.one will come away from this with a billion plus USD, for a wing and a prayer? Agreed?

1. someone was kind enough to set up this thread as a place for people to get info. Upto the team at blockone and EOS i guess

2. it is (partly) about faith. as with most ICOs and even, bitcoin itself. I mean, who thought back in '09 that bitcoin would take off? A lot of people dismissed it, even the smartest ones. And had a lot of questions that couldn't be answered. Yet, here we are

i dont think the ambiquity of the project is anyy different from most ICOs.

the problem people have is with the 1 year token sale and 1 billion tokens

3. to answer you last question

it cuts both ways.I believe EOS and blockone are confident of their product, hence why they are issuing 1 billion tokens at a *free market price*

if all off us decided not to buy, the price would go lower

if less people took part in the token sale daily auction , and less ETH was sent, then they would receive less money

remember, the tokens are priced at the end of the day's window after all ETH has been collected.

So if there's money coming in, means people are interested. Cant really blame the issuer.

Block one are conducting heavy marketing if you look around and  business development. So the money is not going down the drain

also, some of the money will be used to fund projects on EOS blockchain


a lot of people are equating " i dont understand" or "its blurry" to = scam. which is just an opinion
HR
legendary
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I am also always on the telegram group and  your questions are regurgitated daily.


All your points well taken except for the above. Why not here on the #1 crypto portal and point of first entry for many?

And I'm not even insinuating daily. How about just once?

Indirectly I guess you have. As Wekkel said a few posts above, it's about faith. Would you directly agree?


Edit: Oh, and the less than unimportant fact that Block.one will come away from this with a billion plus USD, for a wing and a prayer? Agreed?
legendary
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EOS tokens are for bandwidth on the EOS bockchain.

If you are a developer or company and want to use the blockchain to build an application, you will need resources. These resources are made available to you in proportion to how much EOS tokens you hold.

The network itself will work ok.

But if/when there is a congestion, then your EOS tokens entitle you and your application accesss to bandwidth for your transactions.

I am not worried Smiley

I have watched enough videos and I am satisfied.

I am also always on the telegram group and  your questions are regurgitated daily.

Because of regulations, EOS and blockone cannot be explicit about the tokens, their role and what they represent. They also cannot make promises. The ambiguity is to avoid falling under SEC purview

1.Watch dan's coin interview
2. listen to DAn on a recent epicentre bitcoin podcast


Check out my thread "EOS tracker - the Ethereum Killer" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21465001

some of your questions have been addressed

and i have shared content on the thread


if after all this you are still skeptical, i suggest you avoid the token sale or buying EOS until you can get a satisfactory answer

my opinion:

the more clear it becomes, the less of a discount on price

there is a lot of FUD on the webs. And i am happy to see it, because it means the coin is discounted.

Good luck!
HR
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I'm more than slightly surprised. A basic Google search for "bitcointalk eos" brings back a lot of very negative results.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/eos-ico-scam-wow-can-you-believe-this-2000232
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/holy-shit-eos-hardcore-scam-renamed-bitshares-you-will-not-like-this-1990419
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/eos-officially-has-the-worse-ico-setup-in-history-1960861
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/6k693g/eos_scam/

People seem especially concerned with the massive amounts of money involved.


Anyone care to address these issues here on Bitcoin Forum?

Edit: Or have they been already and I just haven't read it yet?

Forgive me my bluntness - I'm somewhat flabbergasted.

do your own research

people are simply skeptical of this token sale model. thats all

it has been discussed ad nauseum on a lot of forums. One of them, EOS telegram group

I hope someone comes along and has the energy to explain it to you.

I am drained.


Funny you should say that Afrikoin, you're one of the unanswered quotes that I just posted above!  Cheesy


Nobody ever came out to argue or disagree (is that lame, or is that lame), but you seem to have adopted a positive attitude about the dilemma you were presenting. So, you're good with the supposition that EOS only proves good if a "Facebook, or Microsoft, wanted to use EOS for *some* unimagined application"?


HR
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Okay, I’ve speed read the thread, and while EOS has its detractors, it also has its proponents, none of whom have chosen to address these comments and questions from this very same thread . . . and nobody seems to care either.


NOBODY HAS EVER ANSWERED ANY ONE OF THESE (posted here in the order they were originally posted):

Token Purchase Agreement shows EOS Tokens are completely useless. Look:
https://eos.io/purchaseagreement/EOS%20Token%20Purchase%20Agreement%20-%20June%2022,%202017.pdf

- EOS TOKENS HAVE NO RIGHTS, USES OR ATTRIBUTES. The EOS Tokens do not have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features, express or implied, including, without limitation, any uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features on the EOS Platform. Company does not guarantee and is not representing in any way to Buyer that the EOS Tokens have any rights, uses, purpose, attributes, functionalities or features.

- NOT A PURCHASE OF EOS PLATFORM TOKENS. EOS Tokens purchased under this Agreement are not tokens on the EOS Platform. Buyer acknowledges, understands and agrees that Buyer should not expect and there is no guarantee or representation made by Company that Buyer will receive any other product, service, rights, attributes, functionalities, features or assets of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, any cryptographic tokens or digital assets now or in the future whether through receipt, exchange, conversion, redemption or otherwise.

- PURCHASE OF EOS TOKENS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE AND PURCHASES CANNOT BE CANCELLED. BUYER MAY LOSE ALL AMOUNTS PAID.

- EOS TOKENS MAY HAVE NO VALUE.

- COMPANY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REFUSE OR CANCEL EOS TOKEN PURCHASE REQUESTS AT ANY TIME IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.


Please forgive me if this is newbish, but do these tokens actually confer ownership? Will they ever actually pay dividends?

   What would an ideal scenario look like where purchasing these tokens would be profitable? Say, 10 years from now?

the tokens are not ownership tokens and they do not pay dividends.

These are not even the native tokens that are needed for the EOS blockchain to function.

These are ECR20 tokens that function on the ethereum blockchain and you are not even sure that they will be swapped to the native EOS blockchain tokens (= the real tokens that will hold value in the future).

See Q&A 21 on the eos.io website.

Cheers  


I just read the white paper.

It does not provide a good technical explanation of how it will process in parallel and how it will process millions of transactions per second.

Does anyone understand how they will be able to do this?




I think it's a clever ico structure, designed to channel funds, that would otherwise be trading on exchanges, into the accounts of the project creators.

Ultimately there are just developing software that a third party may or may not launch a platform on.

If people keep sending them ETH during the year, then you can imagine future icos may follow their lead. But the price could plummet if people lose interest over the year. The price relies on more people contributing to the ico every day. And at a price they have no idea of until the end of each 23 hour period.



I've seen that video.  Do you really think he explains how he's going to enable parallel processing from that one slide?

I'm not saying that he definitely won't be able to pull it off.  But it's going to take many very smart OS level programmers, not necessarily blockchain programmers, because parallel processing is very difficult at the OS level.  I wish he does pull it off, because it will benefit many projects, including ours.

I think this parallel processing is what is going to make or break EOS.  There is no scam in regards to the EOS token, not launching the blockchain and leaving it up to the community to do so.


Since I was banned from their chat by Dan for discussing this, I'll just post it here.

https://image.ibb.co/esbsaF/eos_transfer.png

Do you have any proof they are buying EOS and not other coins, or USD? They say they will not perform any share buybacks and if they did I think it would be pretty much impossible for them to hide and they would be pretty much screwed pretty fast.
There are a lot of suspicious deals happening with EOS. For example this is from HitBTC
https://i.imgur.com/o4BIJvz.png

Check ask and bid amounts and how big trades are.



Hmm


from what i understood, you have to own EOS tokens on the EOS platform to have access to bandwidth proportional to your holdings.

A delegated POS also implies takers have to hold EOS

i also understood EOS is targeted enterprise use

If a large company, say Facebook, or Microsoft, wanted to use EOS for *some* unimagined application, they would have to buy and hold EOS to participate in the network.

I think this is one way EOS token will gain value.

As soon as one company announces it is building on EOS, token price might go up.

Please correct me if Im wrong.

OR

add more information

 
No answers for any of the tough questions which are key questions to be answered.

Lots of people who want to believe though. All their faith in one man basically, as I read things, which leads to another huge red flag: a single point of failure.

This doesn’t look good to me, and that’s coming from a huge fan of both BTS and STEEM.

Hoping to see adult handling of these challenges I’m pointing out.


BTW, where can I find a copy of the purchase agreement?
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Anyone care to address these issues here on Bitcoin Forum?


No product, no promises.

So only faith and a high market cap based on air (for now). And Dan Larimer who has launched two successful projects earlier (Steemit.com and Bitshares.com). People have faith in Dan. And the features of EOS.io may give ETH a run for its money.

The question is: do you have faith?
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I'm more than slightly surprised. A basic Google search for "bitcointalk eos" brings back a lot of very negative results.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/eos-ico-scam-wow-can-you-believe-this-2000232
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/holy-shit-eos-hardcore-scam-renamed-bitshares-you-will-not-like-this-1990419
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/eos-officially-has-the-worse-ico-setup-in-history-1960861
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/6k693g/eos_scam/

People seem especially concerned with the massive amounts of money involved.


Anyone care to address these issues here on Bitcoin Forum?

Edit: Or have they been already and I just haven't read it yet?

Forgive me my bluntness - I'm somewhat flabbergasted.

do your own research

people are simply skeptical of this token sale model. thats all

it has been discussed ad nauseum on a lot of forums. One of them, EOS telegram group

I hope someone comes along and has the energy to explain it to you.

I am drained.
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