Topic: Established members and newbies (Read 680 times)

Yes, all users need a process to grow and develop in this forum. Everything doesn't come instantly even if they are knowledgeable users. There are some beginners who sometimes have the same knowledge as experts in this forum, but they also need a process to rank up even though they have got a lot of merit. The merit system and other requirements such as activity points would prevent them from crossing boundaries easily, so everyone had to follow the system and process.

Hmm, I am not sure why you are posting this but I would like to add things up here most of the valuable content is created by the established members, I am not saying that Nebiews never contribute they do contribute in good content generation even sometimes better than any Full member or Sr or Hero. At the same time, such cases are so rare that Nebiews and Junior are putting effort make good content. Even I was a newbie back a year ago. Most of the time even after putting in some effort we don't get deserving merits for such cases you can directly apply for the meriting on different active threads.

From the first sentence you already realize, that you are in this forum not so long ago. therefore you don't need to worry about getting Merit because everything takes time and needs a process. Everyone must have been in your current position as a beginner, you just need a little motivation and continue to explore your abilities by all means, including making posts that can be useful for other members so that merit will come by itself.

And one more thing that needs to be understood and you should know like this, giving merit is not seen from the account ranking. if your submission is constructive and unique, they will be more than happy to award Merit. try to be patient, keep trying to contribute and enjoy the process, all of that will be beautiful in its time.

Who are we answering if Mia Chloe "Last Active: June 06, 2023, 09:41:22 PM" (the day and hour she opened this topic) and probably didn't even see that got a merit for opening this thread? It seems that the OP is not really interested in what she spoke so passionately about.

Op you are not the first person to face such challenges. Everyone in the forum face it except those first set of user that came early with the forum. All what you have to do is just to create a good threads, good comments, and good contributions will just rank you up speedily. You don't behave to panic, just calm down and read more on posts and make reasonable comments whenever you understand the post you are reading. It is a gradual process. You don't have to rush the process. Of you try to rush it then you enter into a very big problem. So calm your head down.

The ranking and merit systems' goal is to notify that high-quality posts are published and to reduce spam in the forum.
wow, I guess this a rightfully suggestion. This is extremely the goods possibility every quality post are to receive merit from any one from the forum .

Your not here to rank up, your here to educate and be educated. The ranking profile was put in place to put a check on spam. That doesn't mean, if you ain't getting merits you are spamming but, maybe you just ain't putting enough efforts into your post.
The thing is, no matter how much efforts you put in, quality is perspective directed.
Saying that the chances is thin for a newbie to rank up doesn't add up to me. I think the opposite is the case but, being very active shouldn't be questionable and your contributions shouldn't be lacking.

In your strive to add value, don't relent. You would be noted and rewarded when due.

Absolutely agree with SatoPrincess, Joining this forum with earning / bounties / campaign goals is not a problem. because most of people do that, This reasone was normalized by the most of member in  this forum. The problem is Original Poster Mindset that he / she was feel discriminate even though what Original Poster think is wrong. All members have same chance to ranked up and merited no matter what their rank                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

Personally I do not have a problem with newbies who are here for the bounties and signature campaigns as long as they do not spam, plagiarize or break any of the rules. When you really think about it, what motivates newcomers to register on bitcointalk? In most cases the motivation is money, earning bitcoins is the end goal of everyone here, it may not be through signature campaigns or services but the knowledge they acquire here can be used to improve their financial life.

You have registered on the forum a few days ago, but you are already worried about the problem of improving the rating. Why does it bother you so much? What is the true reason for your registration on the forum? Obviously, you didn't come here for knowledge, but for earnings.

Is it really the trend now? I don’t think giving a merit will depend on your rank or level in the forum. Because as far as I’m concerned, people in the forum give merit to those members whose posts are highly valuable and highly quality regardless of their rank or position in the forum. No one is responsible for other member’s ranking up, it’s only yourself who can always help in that case.

I think you must spend more time in this forum, so you can see that many members actually appreciate newbies very much. Even, this forum has a special thread to appreciate any member who supports newbies. 

[TOP-200] Members who support newbies

Regarding the merit, it is quite subjective. And how someone determines a post that deserves merit may also be different. You may assume that your posts are quality enough and they deserve merits but other members may see them differently. Post quality has many criteria, it is not only about valid or reasonable factors. Post structure, its content, and the way to explain it are also big factors to determine whether it is good or bad post quality.

Anyway, when I saw your posts, I personally think you need to improve your post quality to deserve more merits.

The merit system was implemented in order to combat account farmers and sellers. Before such was implemented, there were lots of users who would create dozens of alternate accounts (alt accounts) to farm for activity and spam the forum with meaningless and repetitive threads. After these accounts were at least high ranking, these users would sell it to others, though fortunately, some have reported these accounts.

I do think that the merit system deserves it implementation. We have to give it some 'merit' due to the fact that it addressed multiple issues at once (e.g. account farmers, bots, spams, etc.). Though it may be restrictive to some newbies, it forces them to create threads that are beneficial to everyone.

No one is obliged to give merit. But if a post is good, many people give merit. But there are many topics for those who think the post is good but not getting merit. The main purpose of talkip is to give merit. You can check your post there.

There are only a some of newbies who are as skilled as the two users you mentioned, but the average newbie is those who are new to bitcoin and forum only after realizing other people are making money on it. Some of them are established user alt accounts who uses the newbie mask, so I would never be surprised if newbies actually are able to discuss things well and are knowledgeable about how forums work.

Newbies are the ones who still really need help and guidance, but of course having alt isn't a ban on forums as long as they don't use it to cheat any campaigns or overload the forum with spam post.

I won't agree to this point because I have seen newbies ranking up with the support from high rank members if they share something useful here on the forum but don't know which newbie account you have noticed getting neglected with the contributions.There are certain examples like @n0nce and @PowerGlove who have gained thr title of discovery of the year award so you would say them exceptional case? They have well technical knowledge which has helped them to reach high target but there are some threads where you can submit applications for merit evaluation also if you try to look for them.

So true. and in essence we have to focus more on the process that we are going through and enjoy each of these processes. we must gradually increase our level of insight if we want to become an established member and have a high reputation. And the process of getting additional insights can also be more daring to ask through a topic that we make in this forum. and when we have new insights that maybe no one has discussed in this forum yet, of course we also have to be brave to convey them here.

Merit can be a motivation for someone to be more enthusiastic about digging up information and learning more to add the insights they need to write quality writing. but those who focus too much on earning Merit sometimes stray from the right path. So it's better to be neutral, namely by focusing on self-development and let the Merit flow by itself without us having to think about it.

I personally don't think  rank is a considerable factor when sending out merits because most times, you might make quality  posts but your audience  might not have some sendable merits to give out at the time and most times it is more easier to send merits to reputable  accounts in order for us to get favout from them and that is natural in life's general  circumstances.

You shouldn't be bothered what rank kts been merited or not bit rather you should be focused on making quality  post because most times, there are always sime.form of random reviews and you can only be found worthy when you make quality  post and hence,  the .writs will flow in when you least expected.

being an established member is different from being a high ranked member. Established members are well known members and we've got some snr members in that category and legendary members who are not in that category. Yes established members get more merits because their posts are too informative to the members of this forum, which made them become established. To get merited, a post must in a way solve some problems for members of this forum. As a newbie, always spend time to research the cryptocurrency market and come up with question that you don't understand. Creating a thread here will help you learn from different members and you may not forget that topic easily when asked to answer such question. Getting merited depends on the people who read the content and the way they felt about the content you shared. Even a one line post can get merited, according to how quality it is to the readers.  It's a gradual process to rank in the forum and every merit counts. The more you expect to get merited, more disappointed you may become. Just share your thoughts on things, which is not clear to you, be consistent, the merits will roll to your account.

That is depend on the user actually. Ive seen newbies from scratch that easily gained traction and become high rank so fast. You can see someone potential the way he post and interact here and some merit sources find them interesting. Not only them but also other users that are fond of their posts. Anyone can help but I believe no one is obliged to help newbies to rank but maybe guide on the right track.

As rankings are not the only factor to be considered for those deserving an award, that's why some prominent members of this forum continue to help all those deserving awards to the point of creating special topics for submission of their best posts there. For example, as done by Ratimov on this topic [Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank and also by fillippone on this topic [Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed. So you and those who are newbies should no longer complain about rankings as long as they are able to make the best posts in this forum.

I skimmed through this thread, it has a lot of different answers from participants with different ranks. Some answers are more informative, some less. There were 57 posts in total. And what do we see as a result? There was only one merit given in this whole thread, and that merit was given to you, the person with only five posts on the forum. Higher ranks, including Legendary, didn't receive a single merit. Maybe there is not such a big preference in the distribution of merites to high ranks? Maybe just not for every even sensible message high ranks also got merits?

Of course I know of those threads you pointed out. I wasn't talking of such. I meant threads where users can submit other users valuable but unmerited posts as middlemen. You get my drift, now? One sees good posts by newbies, copy their links and submit in such a thread and make them conspicuous so that members with merit can appreciate then; that's what I'm saying Her Royal Highness 🤗

Oh, really? Could that also be why both share letter P as their first letter? To be honest, I think Pizza is overrated just like Shawarma. The first time I tasted Pizza, I said to myself "is that all to it?" Frankly, I prefer my regular simple snacks of pies to them.

no one will see ranking as a limit to whoever distributes Merit when you give something good. no matter your rank, other members will distribute the Merit for you. if any of them missed it. you can request a review for some of the merit sources that provide threads.
there are even some members who can rank up quite quickly. you can see @PowerGlove, a member one year ago who collected 2k merit.

Merit is only a system in this forum, Merit will continue to be distributed and there will always be those who rank up. it depends on how much you try.

I think the op is talking based on personal experience but did not specify. It's something I've also come across in the forum and just like others who have noticed such an occurrence but seemed unable to do something about it due to a lack of enough merit to go around, I've been in that situation before. it's not like the work of the newbie was not acknowledged or something beneficial was not gotten from the poster.
 When I began my journey in this forum, I got deflated when I'd see another user who got merited on a topic I started instead of me simply because of a one liner response he supplied or his rank but that impression has changed overtime.

You are not observant . The Fillippone theme is very popular if you look closely. And as you can see, beginners know and use it very actively. Although, for real beginners, of course, finding such topics is quite difficult. And we see interview threads where you can get merit, pizza baking contests, and especially enterprising "newbies" churning out their alternative accounts quite easily. I think seeing such tearful topics about how difficult it is for beginners to get up makes people who know how to bake pizza smile very widely.


Yes, if you pay attention, people from the Philippines are very fond of pizza

Hilarious, indeed. I understand that joke. It's what we often get to find on social media when people indirectly ask for solutions to their problems they think will cast them in bad light, especially sexual or marital. It's the same with what OP has done, using a noob account instead of their main.

However, that doesn't mean what the OP pointed out shouldn't be looked into. Sometimes I get to find nice responses from newbies which don't get merited. Perhaps, those who read those comments don't have merit to splash on them just like I don't often have too when I come across such posts. I guess someone should revive such old threads where nice unmerited posts should be reported to be merited. I know there used to be such threads on the forum but I don't find them anymore now.

Those who are obsessed of gaining merit are members who wanted to rank up which later on intend to join a signature campaign to earn.  For people who are here to offer their services and sell goods and products won't be aiming to rank up or get more merit because the forum don't limit any users from selling his services and/or products.  Since newbie can create thread to introduce their services and can buy copper membership so that they can publish images to help them with their service presentation, there is no need for these members to be obsessed with merits.

don't be so easy to conclude that a beginner's opportunity to rank up is difficult, if beginners contribute actively and consistently to get a rank increase it won't be difficult.
for beginners I hope don't focus too much on expecting to get an merit quickly, it will burden your own mind and make you easily give up on this forum. just focus on consistently actively and constructively contributing to the forum, the merits will be easy to get.
and beginners can also submit their best posts or replies to merit sources for review in order to get an some merits. remember the quantity of activity is important but don't forget to provide quality in each of our posts or replies.

As far as I know, an account who is merit source will not differentiate how high you rank if you really have the ability to make constructive and useful posts.

A newbie has the same opportunity to get merit, but i can not doubt that a legendary members have more experience in this forum. logically a newbie has no more experience than a legendary member. (in general)

For example, there are legendary member and newbie member that create a thread. then, it is possible that we will get more informations from the thread which is created by the legendary member, but i can not say it will always right because a newbie may have much information as expected.

It is amazing and same time amusing how many people live in denial and pretence. Even if I do not like the time Op presented their case, because they barely got few activity count. But then we have seen newbies who made some average posts which could be regarded as good posts because of variation in individual preferences, but instead of having just 1 merit, you will still see merit sources quoting and replying same post and could even agree with the Op that they are correct.

Honestly, the standards for merits is very high and most times the merit recycles around some people whereby merits are given out to posts that doesn't worth it while some newcomers are striving for just 1 merit.
If making it difficult to earn merits maintains the sanity of the forum, I do not have a problem with that.

To become an established member, it's not necessary to create merit posts. Established members are not adversaries to newcomers. While making good posts doesn't guarantee merits, valuable contributions may receive them. Rather than creating threads solely for the purpose of acquiring merits, it is more beneficial to concentrate on contributing meaningfully to the forum. Enhance your knowledge of cryptocurrency and generate high-quality posts. Blaming others will not assist you in advancing your rank.

I agree with you. Because in essence, quality posts must have use value or be useful for those who read them. It's just that it's true that not everyone will have the same judgment. that is, if person A thinks the OP's writing is useful, then it is not certain that person B will have the same opinion.

well everyone struggles and starts from zero. I personally also started as a beginner and the longer I have been in this forum, the more I understand what I can do so that I can contribute more to the forum or be useful for other users. and basically if we want to be useful for others then we must first have sufficient insight so that we can have something that we can share that can help other users. whether it's in the form of ordinary insight, news or anything that is considered useful.

I think what you are discussing here is very common in forums, someone will judge a post subjectively, no one is forcing anyone to give merit to any post. I am very aware that going to the next rank requires sufficient activity and merit, anyone will try to leave old habits for promotion to a higher rank. The forum has Merit Source and generous members who are ready to help other users immediately promote to a new rank, you are wrong if you assume that the chances of rank up from Newbie are very slim, what is the use of MS and generous members if you find it difficult to rank up.

You may believe posts from newcomers are not appreciated because you haven't spent enough time here. Your post will be merited if it is of high quality. Each person defines a quality post differently. While a post might be intriguing to me, it might not be to someone else. If your post is well-written and insightful, you will undoubtedly be rewarded for it. Every high rank member here started as a newbie and got ranked by posting high quality stuffs.

Everyday new accounts are created and alot of them get ranked up. If you take a look at Loyce V’s thread of low ranking merit earners in the last 30 days you will see how posts of low rank members are being appreciated and merited. See for yourself here

With good replies or answers given on a post, it is much better for beginners progress in gaining knowledge about the case or problem that is being solved.
As you created this topic hoping that highly rated members will come along to help give merit as a newbie way up the rankings instead of answers and replies.
The insider's assessment of seeing a post is different, in our opinion the post is appropriate but not necessarily appropriate according to other people.

IMO, make posts that make other people feel that there is something that can benefit from the post or answer any problems experienced by other people that can be used as a solution by someone for your answers at every opportunity continuously, I'm sure it will be helped.
Several merit sources have also provided a thread that aims to help, put it there.

High ranking members on forums also often help low ranking members. I who have been ranked now is also thanks to their help.

I see you are quite different. Your first post in 2017 is bitcoin exchange with paypal. The site is closed.

Absolutely, merits bothers people on this forum so much when they can use the copper membership.

I have been here since 2017, with the copper member I'm able to run my services here. What more could I ask for? Just use the forum without being obsessed about merits and if you happen to get any, then it's fine.

If it's really thin for newbie to rank up, I think I will not see a new full member user joined a signature campaign because there's should be only an old user who get merit airdropped and someone who's trying hard to rank up. The fact I always see a new full member user actively participating a discussion.

I remember there was a legendary member complaining if he's hard to earn merit when he already reach legendary rank. So @OP you're completely wrong and do you think with your 4 posts you should earn at least 1 merit? there's no relation between how many posts you created and merit you will get.

I think he want to get 100 merit and start to join a signature campaign, because if he only want to post an image, he can just buy a copper membership and not complaining about merit.

Why does ranking bother you so much? You can just buy copper membership and enjoy the forum while hoping someone merits any of your posts on day.

Yes I agree with you. Getting 100 merits is not easy for newbies. In addition, newbies are also seen as having no abilities. Newbies are always explained about the rules and are not considered in the discussion

I once had the same feeling as you think OP. It's just that my assumptions have changed after I've been on this forum longer. Because it turns out that everything is about how much insight we have that we can put in the writing we make. and how useful the posts we make for users in this forum.

If you pay attention more broadly, there are even some beginners whose Merit acquisition has exceeded hundreds of Merit. although not much activity. or he just made a few posts only. i have seen users like that in the past year. and even now he already has thousands of Merit even though he is still at the Senior member rank.

And that is proof that these users do have good quality as a result of the knowledge they have is indeed very broad. and when he put it in writing, it didn't take much time in 1 day, the topic he made was rained on by Merit.

Focus on insight first and never give up.

But indeed there are some topics that are even quite good but don't get Merit at all. there must be some reason why this could happen. it could be because the topic is the same as it has been in the past or maybe it's because SM hasn't seen it.

You’re only a week old in the forum yet you feel the need to complain about the merit system. Its too early for you to conclude that that the system is not working. I was once a newbie and now I’m on my way to becoming legendary, my experience has been fair the merits I have is a reflection of how much effort I put into my posts. There are new accounts that made 1000 merits in less than 3 months, this was possible because of they were quality posters. It’s absurd to think that older members are circulating the merits to themselves. IMO I think it is easier for lower ranked members to get merits than it is for hero members and legendary rank.

Ahahaha Oga why are you beating around the bush instead of going to the main point. If a newbie make good contributions definitely Merits will be giving to him or her. And also giving merit to someone is not by force but by choice because what you see as a good post might not be a good post by another person. Because everyone has there way of understanding a post. If you want to rank up then make quality post then definitely Merits will come so you don't have to beg for merit to rank up. As this your newbie level read more than commenting. And when you understand the forum very well. Then you can navigate it the way you want.

I understand your point, and I felt the same way when I was a novice. However, this is not the case. Take your time and learn more about the forum; you'll learn how sharing good content can lead to a member receiving merits for their efforts to the topic. Another possibility is that the user does not find the topic interesting enough to earn a merit. It's simply a matter of choice, and I believe everyone can give out at any moment they wish to.


You don't have to explain that because I've witnessed cases where a beginner receives many merits for providing a single piece of information to the forum. Sometimes the usefulness of the message is more important than its size. If your post is worthy of merit, you will be rewarded.

You are just a new member in the forum, and this account was just created a few days ago. I don't expect you to focus on the way merit flows in the forum for now. This is just surprising to me that you are complaining about the way merit is flowing.and by the way is not every senior members that you are seeing in forum that are with smerit.

From my observations in this forum, getting merits is not something that is hard for any member, starting from a newbie to a legendary rank, but to get these merits, you need to post something that is worth contributing to this forum. Once you are producing quality posts that are attracting the attention of forum members, you will just be receiving merit from different ranks of members.
 
Why mostly newbies' posts are hardly merited sometimes is because of their repetition of posts. Many posts that are being posted by newbies these days are posts that have been posted long ago. Do you know that there are some junior-rank members who have received more merits more than their activities? but it is because their posts deserve it.

One of the possible reason why they don't receive merit is that, the topic is already discussed and it does not add much contributions since as stated the topic already exist.  I do no think that ranking up for a newbie is slim, I even see topic created for inquiries get merit and there are merit drop thread where you can take advantage if your quality post is unnoticed.



Sending merit is subjective, if they find your merit amusing,  quality or agree to the message you post then merit will come your way.  Just have patience and put more effort to create quality post or thread. 

You've barely made a good number of post and you're imploring that merits be distributed evenly? - cus, in your opinion, it's not... Assuming anyone feels like listening to you, does any of your Posts deserve atleast 5 merits for a start?? C'monnnn bro..
I once made an appraisal like this but it was when I realized I had 'em post but the merits weren't forth coming - at the time, Jay tried to convince me otherwise but I stood firm with my observations... _{you don't even have enough points to prove yourself correct... Cus I actually battled words with Jay and I guess that should've made a long script}
Put in the work buddy; you might be asking for yourself or someone else as everyone claims but that ain't even necessary to explain... Just do what's right .....your whole, possible best and, the outcome won't be regrettable.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

I understand your concern but you have a misconception that accounts with higher rank get more merits because they deserved it based on who gave them merits, it's subjective you have to brand yourself even as a newbie so members will become familiar with you and your posting style and reasoning, just keep doing what you're doing newbies have a big task of making their post above standard, you have to work your way in.

Don't worry OP, everyone has been were you are today as the forum is design for everybody to actually past this newbie stage so you don't need to feel you are been snub by anybody or any established member as you would put it.

To rank up in the forum is pretty easy if you are actually willing to improve yourself, firstly I would advice you to stop thinking about the merits and start contributing more to discussion here and creating valuable posts and the merits will start hunting you and you hunting for it.

OP, help to rank up, can come in two ways: first, if the newbie is persistent in their posting habit on the forum, and second, when the user's early topics are very informative or unique.

Persistence in posting doesn't mean the user should keep spamming.

Well, when I registered on this forum and also got to know about the merit and rank system, I thought it would be difficult to archive, but here I am. It's been about a week now since you registered your account, but all you have done is make five posts. Well, I believe you are still looking around, but if you have good energy, in a short time you will rank up, because I know that's what it is. You already had the thought of ranking up in mind before creating this thread. The truth is, there are a few members I know here who, when they were still in the newbie rank, had above 10 merit, which is even above the Jr. and Member rank or position. So, if you think newbies don't get help ranking up, I can say that you are totally wrong about that. Also, there are newbies who don't have a clear intention after they register their account and begin to make posts; those are the kinds of users that find it difficult to easily rank up.

  Wrong delusion, OP. Answer then, how do other members move to other ranks, if in your opinion Newbies are not given enough attention here? Maybe you think that someone came to the forum with a rank higher than a Newbie?
These are the misconceptions written by people who mistakenly believe and think too self-confidently about themselves, thinking that their posts are really valuable, but for some reason, no one pays attention to them. You don't know the forum well, and you're wrong. Not everything happens very quickly, first, walk around the forum and watch and also read, and I think you will change your mind. Start with yourself without blaming anyone, and change your thinking in line with education, and your posts will take on a meaningful look, which many users will definitely pay attention to.

on what basis do you conclude that the beginners in this forum, it is very difficult to rank up. You don't seem to have looked at the full extent of all the threads on this forum. Because if you explore this forum in its entirety, you will definitely find a thread that contains updates from the ranking list of BTT members, who receive monthly merits. There you will see beginners, who have quite a lot of merit, some even exceed the posts and activities they have. With facts like that, the opinion you put forward is not true.
So you don't draw conclusions like that, because it will make newbies in this forum think as you think.

Because according to my personal experience. Indeed, in the beginning I also had a bit of trouble getting my ranking up, but over time, and learning a lot from the many members in this forum, I was finally able to reach my current rank. So basically the members of this forum, whether they are beginners or other ranks, nothing is impossible to rank up. And most importantly, for beginners in forums, don't get too down when opinions or threads are considered to be of high quality, but no one appreciates them. Maybe it's the opinions or threads that are made, they are of high quality but not very interesting in the eyes of other users. Because you need to know that everyone's perspective and understanding is different.

I'm a newbie like you, but my experience has been more than positive so far.
When I had a theme to submit, I always received very useful suggestions.

Grow up? It is by learning from the answers that one grows.

That's what I thought. It's a typical post in this section of someone trying to fish for merit by talking about merit. Usually they are users who have not achieved any merit so far, and sometimes they get lucky and achieve their goal. That's why we have threads like this every now and then. For my part I don't see that they are worthy of merit, and I act accordingly.

Every forum member always tries to help relatively new members from their respective positions. You must have mentioned merit in your post. When you make a post, if that post is merited, then you will definitely get minutes for that post. And if the post is off topic or not eligible for merit, you will not get merit for that post. First of all, if you want to increase your rank from this forum, you have to improve the quality of your posts. Along with improving the quality of the posts, you have to be patient. If you post informative posts with patience, your rank will definitely increase.

OP in your first post I am a newbie, you asked how you can be productive in the forum. I looked at that thread and discovered that you received so much advice from members of the forum. I will advise you to go back and read the responses from the thread. Those responses even covered how to earn merits.

Learning and experience take some time and you need both of them to contribute meaningfully to the forum. Sometimes I spend time reading other people's threads not just because I want to reply but because I want to learn. If your post quality improves merit will come without stress. Be patient, and learn because you need them to survive in this forum.

What you said is the same as begging for merits in order to rank up. We are not obliged to give merit to a newbies and one more thing, each forum members have their own criteria on how they give their merits. If you think that your posts deserved a merit then why not try submitting an application to fillippone's thread and see if your posts met the criteria that fillippone have then you'll receive a merit or more merits. A newbie giving contribution to the forum won't remain as a newbie and merit winbe a problem.

Who is helping and who is being helped.?
Established members only appreciate any effort from other members who contribute to the forum with valid and reasonable posts. I don't agree if you say the chance of rank up from newbie to a higher rank is very small, lots of members can be used as examples who have successfully ranked up from newbie to the highest rank.
The merit system does not prevent anyone from ranking up, you have to try to help yourself by contributing to the forum so that you get the attention of the Established members who can help you rank higher faster.

I agree with you that rank should not be a sole factor to consider when giving merits. That's absurd. However, is there anybody here who actually has that standard?

While I have observed no one who seems to belittle newbies so much as to consider them not deserving of any merit, in fairness to you, I also have this old observation that ranks matter in how users are treated here, not particularly about merit but in general.

And you're maybe right to a certain extent. It may indeed be much easier for a known legendary, for example, to earn a merit than a newbie. As a matter of fact, a sarcastic one-liner coming from the former could probably earn a merit more than a relevant opinion coming from a newbie.

Post like this one does not deserve to get merit.

Post quality depends on the poster, not a poster rank. If a newbie write a post deserves merit, that post will receive more merit than if it was posted by a legendary member as you can get more merit from merit sources.

When you deserved it to have by determining your effort, why not.
Try to look at this thread made by @fillippone, if you feel that you've contributed a good thread why not post it there, someone will help you for sure.

The chances of having even single merit are less when sounds like you're begging for it.
Learn everything and enjoy while you're here in the forum, once you're knowledgeable enough merit will come without knowing you, and ranking up your account isn't that hard for you. 

You are still a new member of the forum, so I'm curious why you're considering earning merits to rank up your account when you've only made five posts. This indicates that you don't yet understand the workings of the forum or other things you should be aware of, but OP is not an easy task to rank up an account, so I'm not sure if you think the people you see with higher ranks are earning merits quickly.
 
I want you to understand that even if you rank up without having the fundamental knowledge, how can you reply to good posts? As you said, those people you see on higher ranks go through a lot of learning procedures about the forum and cryptocurrency, even though I know most newbies come for merits to get higher ranks to apply for signature campaigns, which is not the case.
  

Nobody will assist you in moving up the ranks as long as your posts are of high quality and deserving of merit. As long as you put in more effort, merit will come to you unexpectedly. However, as long as your posts are deserving of merit, forum users will award them, with the exception of those who reply to them using Smerits. Don't assume that those who are higher up the ranks simply ask for them; they also put in the effort.

I think he need to make sure he upgrade his posts history to receive merits from merit source. Someone cam not be writing posts that are not of quality and he expect to get merit to upgrade to the next rank. Well getting merits can be very slow but that should not be our aim of writing a quality posts. We should always make it as an habit to write well and have a good reputation than writing after merit hunting which can be very painful when we are nit getting what we plan to have. Merit is not only the compliment of a good posters, there are other things a person can earn from being a good writer which is quite better than just writing quality posts to earn merits .

You have not tried enough to rank up your account. You don't put the effort in this forum and yet you are talking about newbies not getting merit and rank up their account.
I think you should try yourself by providing value to this forum and your account will get merit from members. You have to understand that merit does not works like social media like and re-act.

if peruse op writing style you will know that op is already existing in the forum and this is one of his alt, if this is someone's alt so how would op know the important of merit and also derived a method of seeking merit with sugar-coated way, op is a member of forum that knows the rudiments of forum, observing this method or style of writing its obvious that op knows what is doing, newbies who has not come in contact with forum before will make a lot of mistake when writing composition in bitcointalk, so op is very comfortable during the time of making this thread, so he knows what is doing.

He's probably asking for a "friend", who is too shy to ask this kind of question with his main account.

Op from your write up you sound like some one who just created this thread to get the attention of people here because I read your post just to see a different meaning to what other members have said but to be honest I don't see anything different. You got registered to the forum few days ago and your first observation has been on the difficulty of the newbies ranking up and how they are not easily merited by the other esterblished members Wonder 🤔. I must tell you this, if you focus on merit you won't last here because you will end up being tired when you don't get what your looking for but if you shift your focus on developing your knowledge on cryptocurrency and try to give your time to read and understand things clearly here you will enjoy your stay here because at the end you will have the knowledge and you will share your thoughts, contribution to others and the merits will flow once you make good contribution to the things you learnt here and through research also.

You only have 5 posts and you want help? And the newbies you are writing about, how did you know that they are not been assisted to rank up. If you want merit, it is better you boldly come out without hiding your interest.
If you have a good posts and you want to rank up, you can ask merit source to review your posts so they can add value to your merit history than just admitting that the newbies or people that are just coming up are not getting help. That is an understatement and you don't have to assume whatbuou have no proper understanding about. Maybe you can start making good posts and see whether you are not going to earn merits.

Obviously you are using indirect way to seek and campaign for merit by sugar-coated some words concerning merit, let me inform you, merit doesn't come through this process, you most make a research and bring your results before you can be rewards of merit, secondly merit is been earn by your positive information give in the forum, I believe that nobody gives merit to newbie without finding meaning in the users composition. Merit is not been given out of sympathy or because you are a newbie and it's most that you earn merit without hard work.

I totally understand what you are trying to pass but if you have a good post that have not been merited, there are merit source who can help you out, though they are not much but not few either, once you keep to their rules definitely your post would be merited if it worth it, here are some thread that are currently open to help forum members rank up :
[self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source
Re: [Merit]
Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank
[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed
Helping Potential Legendary, Hero, Senior and Full Members (May 2023 Update)
There are others that I don't know of but this would help you though.

I believe most members consider the post content the most when it comes to meriting however let's not forget that what one considers 'merit-able' may be different for some people.

I also think we've got some decent numbers from established members, see: [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!

Maybe you should take time to learn more about merits on this forum that you have to earn it and not that you must be given as long as you made a post, the giver also would have received something meaningful from what you posted that touched him which warrant him to merit your post, obviously not everyone posting will be merited at the same time, the same way you don't have smerit to merit someone's post is also applicable to some.


Are you posting because you want to rank up or because you want to earn merits? everyone has equal opportunity to rank and don't make it sound like the senior ranks are being biased about it, they also work hard to earn it, merit sources also ensure even distribution in quality posts across.
learning about merits, activities and ranks here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177


maybe you should take a look on this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.280 and discover the numbers of newbies ranking up and receiving merits in their good numbers

You are just barely one week old on this forum and here you are complaining about ranking up and how "Newbies" aren't getting the merit they deserved, which to me, I see that to sound funny as we all know that all high ranking member you see today on this forum was once a "Newbie" who got ranked up after someone saw their post/contribution to be worth meriting. Because "merit" is what comes naturally, in as much as you providing valuable contents and offering helpful advise during contributions.

Well, in my case, it's not really about the rank. When I stumble upon a post that I find genuinely helpful, I don't bother checking the person's rank. If I have some spare merits to give, I gladly share them. However, I'm not exactly a merit powerhouse, so I don't have an abundance to help someone skyrocket their rank.

Now, what you may have observed is that posts from higher-ranked members tend to receive more merits. And that's not surprising, considering that those members often bring valuable insights and wisdom thanks to their knowledge and experience. It's a general trend, but hey, there are always exceptions to the rule. So, it's not set in stone that higher-ranked posts are automatically more valuable, but they do tend to carry that reputation.

Anyway, show me one post by a low ranking member that you think didn't get enough credit, and I'll see what I can do.

No one is obliged to help anyone rank up, they merit posts they find quality subjectively, regardless of the posters current rank. I see newbies come on the forum and rank up successfully within a couple of months after putting effort into their posts and there are those that just spam the forum or merit hunt and they never get to rank up.

I would agree that we need some more merit sources who would help find more quality posts which would have otherwise gone unnoticed.

Help them rank up how?
Have you forgotten that everyone passes those steps from newbie to member until the legendary rank? Do you think anyone jumps any of those steps? Everyone was a newbie, and they all got the attention and help they deserved from other members. Only those who were here before the merit system was introduced got merit airdropped to them. If merit is not given to anyone who deserves it, everyone in this forum has what they see in someone's post that makes them merit it. Once you have made your post unique and quality, you will get the merit you want to rank up to your next rank.

It could possible be that just maybe similar post has been done before or the newbie didn’t explain it more clearly which sometimes we see higher ranking members post on same thread and get acknowledged. But once a new post with valuable information is shared it is mostly acknowledged. I am not saying posts that report news of event with links attached. Most at times these topics are either not seeing by merit sources or people that saw it have no smerit to share

Although the merit system is quite different probably now than before, if you feel a topic or contribution isn’t appreciated enough then you might as well just submit the links to various threads on the forum, because there merit sources that have threads for this purposes.

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit