ETFs are gone, now it's Bitmain IPO? - page 2.

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IMO if Bitmain's IPO success, that would allow Bitmain continue to monopolize mining (both ASIC and pool) and we might continue see red days since they will have 51%+ hashrate on many cryptocurrency on both pool and ASIC.

Do you really think so? Why, because of the amount of funding the company might raise? That's one side of things, sure.

I was considering things from another perspective, though. An IPO is generally an exit strategy that intends to maximize the returns of early investors while raising capital for the business.

Between their missteps with Bcash and forecasted profit margins shrinking (I'm guessing), I think this is an exit plan for Jihan Wu and Micree Zhan.

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I wonder no one mentioned about KYC. Bitmain are now enforcing to KYC if you are going to get hardware from them. The only reason I got is because of their IPO. Is Bitmain really losing grounds that they needed this IPO thingy? Or because of reportedly holding BCH, which drops significantly, perhaps they needed another source of funding right now. But I don't think it will have any impact to the price of crypto though. Might just put some hype, but that's it, nothing of significant to be expected.

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Quote from: Pursuer on August 24, 2018, 05:47:10 AM

ETFs aren't gone yet. we got rid of some of them, but there is still shitshow to come Cheesy

I say shitshow because I seriously doubt that SEC is going to approve any of them and as they get rejected we may see some drama and some panic sell. although I am not able to say how big that drama and panic is going to be but there certainly will be some of it.
I also doubt that Bitmain IPO has any impact on bitcoin price. if you have any arguments against it I would love to hear them, of course anything except "it is bitmain and it is big in mining bitcoin".

The biggest ETF is still awaiting decision. The ETFs that got rejected were smaller ones that weren't planning to buy Bitcoins. Even if they would get approved it wouldn't change anything because people would be sending them fiat money to bet on bitcoin's price, without even touching it. Who cares about someone somewhere betting fiat to get more fiat?

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 24, 2018, 04:56:53 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on August 23, 2018, 11:02:44 PM

so what we need is for this uncertainty to be lifted and it will be lifted as soon as ETF fate is decided next month and we can get rid of it for now.

Couple of months ago, when there's no ETF the market was doomed as it is now. Are you expecting for ETF's approval or rejection?

doomed? why? because bitcoin price wasn't shooting up 20% per day or 100% per month, you call it doomed!

the funny thing is, a couple of months ago a nice rising momentum was shaping up and price was showing positive upward signs, then ETF hype started and that momentum turned into a sudden rise to $8k and that killed that strong momentum and the final nail in the coffin was the rejection of ETF (i think it was Winklevoss).
so yeah, when ETF is rejected next month and if we put it behind us and they don't come up with new set of ETFs then i'd say we can see the rise finally start as the drama subsides.

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ETFs aren't gone yet. we got rid of some of them, but there is still shitshow to come Cheesy

I say shitshow because I seriously doubt that SEC is going to approve any of them and as they get rejected we may see some drama and some panic sell. although I am not able to say how big that drama and panic is going to be but there certainly will be some of it.
I also doubt that Bitmain IPO has any impact on bitcoin price. if you have any arguments against it I would love to hear them, of course anything except "it is bitmain and it is big in mining bitcoin".

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 09:11:46 PM

Hours ago, several bitcoin ETFs were officially rejected by SEC. It sounds this FUD doesn't have as much effect as Winklevoss twins' rejection.
But this is not the end. There's a more attractive upcoming event, it's Bitmain's IPO. For those who don't know about Bitmain. It's the Chinese technology company, which behind ASIC miners and Bitcoin Cash. At first, this IPO seemed to be very promising but recently, pessimistic information about it showed up here and there.

IMO, Bitmain's IPO is a test on people's belief in cryptocurrency. If it successes, we might see those green days back. But if it fails, I doubt that we'll see market bleeding badly.

First of all - rejections will be reviewed https://www.coindesk.com/sec-says-it-will-review-bitcoin-etf-rejections/

Second - i doubt that Bitmains IPO will have real impact on crypto currency market.

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 09:11:46 PM

IMO, Bitmain's IPO is a test on people's belief in cryptocurrency. If it successes, we might see those green days back. But if it fails, I doubt that we'll see market bleeding badly.

BITMAIN WANTS A MONOPOLY ON MINING.

If you want to help a bunch of assholes who want a monopoly get one, then go support Bitmain.

If you want to support bitcoin, do something to help others be able to understand or purchase bitcoin.

Or just HODL.

Companies pretending bitcoin needs them to come in and "support" bitcoin are sorely mistaken.

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Quote from: Ava Duvall on August 24, 2018, 03:10:25 AM

It does influence the market, but like you mentioned it has no direct connection to the price

No direct connection but what if the IPO fails and people loose their belief in cryptocurrency, sharks and whales sell out bitcoin and withdraw their money from the market.

Quote from: pooya87 on August 23, 2018, 11:02:44 PM

so what we need is for this uncertainty to be lifted and it will be lifted as soon as ETF fate is decided next month and we can get rid of it for now.

Couple of months ago, when there's no ETF the market was doomed as it is now. Are you expecting for ETF's approval or rejection?

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 10:49:57 PM

Quote from: pooya87 on August 23, 2018, 09:21:53 PM

i still don't find how Bitmain running an IPO can relate to bitcoin price!

I didn't say Bitmain's IPO directly affected bitcon's price. Whether you like it or not, Bitmain is a big player in cryptocurrency world and obviously they have specific influence over the overall market. The market now needs some positive news rather than negative news in order to get money poured into.

It does influence the market, but like you mentioned it has no direct connection to the price

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We should avoid Wall Street financial instruments at all cost, because these fiat whales will destroy Bitcoin in a matter of weeks. They will come in and cause massive disruption and volatility, with their large access to money.

Instead of us having price increases and drops of 2% to 10% per day, we will have between 20% to 50% price variance in one day, because this market is so small. Nobody will want to use their Bitcoin for payments in such a volatile market. Angry

We should send them a message to keep their ETFs/ETN's/IPO's .............................!

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 10:49:57 PM

Quote from: pooya87 on August 23, 2018, 09:21:53 PM

i still don't find how Bitmain running an IPO can relate to bitcoin price!

I didn't say Bitmain's IPO directly affected bitcon's price. Whether you like it or not, Bitmain is a big player in cryptocurrency world and obviously they have specific influence over the overall market. The market now needs some positive news rather than negative news in order to get money poured into.

we have had many positive news this year. but initially it was during the bear market so it couldn't do anything and then it was the uncertainty that entered the market and prevented any kind of rise. so what we need is for this uncertainty to be lifted and it will be lifted as soon as ETF fate is decided next month and we can get rid of it for now.

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I don't see The chinese IPO will impact anything in Bitcoin or in cryptocurrency market.. Recently we've seen several ETF rejection in recent days but that did not make big dump. because this small ETF won't effect market so much.. but I think the CBOE ETF will have the market a big effect. so just who is this CBOE ETF will be considered to be accepted by SEC

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 09:11:46 PM

Hours ago, several bitcoin ETFs were officially rejected by SEC. It sounds this FUD doesn't have as much effect as Winklevoss twins' rejection.
But this is not the end. There's a more attractive upcoming event, it's Bitmain's IPO. For those who don't know about Bitmain. It's the Chinese technology company, which behind ASIC miners and Bitcoin Cash. At first, this IPO seemed to be very promising but recently, pessimistic information about it showed up here and there.

IMO, Bitmain's IPO is a test on people's belief in cryptocurrency. If it successes, we might see those green days back. But if it fails, I doubt that we'll see market bleeding badly.

If the SEC allows a BTC ETF, that means a fund would purchase an underlying amount of actual BTC and distribute those into shares, which further are distributed to shareholders. I think it may make it easier for people to buy $5 to $100 in cryptocurrency and attract more investors. what do you think guys?

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 23, 2018, 09:21:53 PM

i still don't find how Bitmain running an IPO can relate to bitcoin price!

I didn't say Bitmain's IPO directly affected bitcon's price. Whether you like it or not, Bitmain is a big player in cryptocurrency world and obviously they have specific influence over the overall market. The market now needs some positive news rather than negative news in order to get money poured into.

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Quote from: jameswell on August 23, 2018, 09:47:13 PM

In my opinion, Bitmain IPO may not have much impact on Bitcoin's price, especially considering it's falling behind in the latest development of the newer generation of the Bitcoin ASIC miners.
As we know, Bitmain has been in the dominant position in the ASIC mining industry for a long time,
but maybe only a few people noticed the subtle changes in this industry regarding the newer generation of the ASIC miners - the 7nm ASIC Bitcoin miner.
Bitmain has yet delivered the 7nm ASICs, while a couple of competitors, such as GMO from Japan, Samsung from Korea, Canaan, another Chinese company, all of them announced 7nm Bitcoin ASIC miners. It seems Bitmain is falling behind. I am expecting to see its market shares decrease over time.

The ETF, on the other hand, it is something that is nice to have to Bitcoin, but even without ETF approval, I believe Bitcoin ecosystem can still make progress.

GMO samsung and canaan.. "announced".. meaning they too have not "delivered"..... so the entire ASIC market is in the same boat..
as for articles that bitmain is losing its top place.. well thats just a debate similar to the GPU days of ATI Vs Geforce....

what equipment is used is not as important as the actual pool software that combines transactions due to rules.
(asics dont have hard drives to even touch tranaction/block verification rules.. they just hash a header)
so just like the GPU days... who is providing the equipment has no consequnce on bitcoin..

and as of june it seems bitmain has re entered the competitive market by dropping Unt cost from 2017's $2k to june 2018's $850 thus pople can buy atlaest 2 units for the price of one. yet things like canaan's prices are only for bulk orders but grow to double for individual units.

anyway. we are already at a near bottom priceline. so ofcourse chances of going up are high.. its just WHEN and by how much is th qustion no one can answer.

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Quote from: tech12345 on August 23, 2018, 09:27:20 PM

SEC reconsidered decision to deny Bitcoin ETF. I just saw this information, maybe they will review and accept Bitcoin ETF soon. Bitcoin will soon rise

You can give more information and link info. As far as I know, the SEC has rejected 9 bitcoin ETF applications on the 23rd. and that is the final decision.

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In my opinion, Bitmain IPO may not have much impact on Bitcoin's price, especially considering it's falling behind in the latest development of the newer generation of the Bitcoin ASIC miners.
As we know, Bitmain has been in the dominant position in the ASIC mining industry for a long time,
but maybe only a few people noticed the subtle changes in this industry regarding the newer generation of the ASIC miners - the 7nm ASIC Bitcoin miner.
Bitmain has yet delivered the 7nm ASICs, while a couple of competitors, such as GMO from Japan, Samsung from Korea, Canaan, another Chinese company, all of them announced 7nm Bitcoin ASIC miners. It seems Bitmain is falling behind. I am expecting to see its market shares decrease over time.

The ETF, on the other hand, it is something that is nice to have to Bitcoin, but even without ETF approval, I believe Bitcoin ecosystem can still make progress.

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article seems to centre around the words of whalepanda and sampson mow.. yawn more fud from the BScartel side

meanwhile social drama does not push up sustainable bitcoin VALUE. it only pushes up temporary price spikes that then correct.
99% of people never get to be online in time to take advantage of ths temporary price spikes of sicial drama cause. so why even bother wasting days talking about it.

most smart people dont waste weeks-months trying to cause and hoping for a unsustainable social drama hype bubble to cause a 100% spike.. instead they spend each day making 1-3% on the small natural movements which over the same weeks-months adds up to the same 100% profit. but without having to stir the social pot for hopes of a well timed hype bubble

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SEC reconsidered decision to deny Bitcoin ETF. I just saw this information, maybe they will review and accept Bitcoin ETF soon. Bitcoin will soon rise

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Quote from: TeQuiero on August 23, 2018, 09:11:46 PM

It sounds this FUD doesn't have as much effect as Winklevoss twins' rejection.

when they first spread the China banned bitcoin FUD, the panic was huge. the next time more people knew it is FUD and didn't pay much attention to it. nowadays when someone says "China banned bitcoin" everyone just laughs at them.
ETF rejection is turning into that. people are realizing that ETF was not something that determines future of bitcoin so they don't care that much about its rejection. we are not completely out of the waters yet but we are getting there.

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There's a more attractive upcoming event, it's Bitmain's IPO.

i still don't find how Bitmain running an IPO can relate to bitcoin price!

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