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Topic: ETH mining nearing end of life - When will you liquidate your rigs? - page 2. (Read 585 times)

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Ethereum Network Hashrate is currently: 955 TH/s
Etherecum Classic Network Hashrate is currently: 27 TH/s

Currently with 30MH/s you make $1 per GPU per day with ETC. Prior to any power costs.

If all the 955 TH/s switches to ETC, then the hashrate will become ~ 982 TH/s. Which means the difficulty will go up 36x. So basically the profits go down 36 times.

So $1 per day becomes $0.027 per day before any power costs.

Now lets assume that only half the hashrate are GPUs since the ETH ASICs cannot mine ETC. So 955/2=477TH/s. So ETC Network hashrate will become 504TH/s.

So basically instead of $0.027 per day it will be $0.053 per day. You basically need $0.015 kwh power to make nothing. Nobody except maybe in Iraq got 1 cent power.

>ETH ASICs cannot mine ETC
Who the fuck told you that? Citation needed.
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it may evolve in to a distributed, decentralized network of on-demand computing power such as with the Golem Project and Render coin.
But those kinds of projects can take years to become big enough to support millions of video cards. Developers are probably biased against using PoW in the first place, let alone ASIC-resistant PoW.

That's why my business plan is to wait for the big ETH crash, buy up cheap video cards, then mine whatever breadcrumbs are left on the other coins. If I buy the equipment cheaply, I don't care if it takes 2-3 years until the next big GPU coin comes along.



Also the gpu price manipulation in china will decrease a lot as Intel gets into the gpu market because Intel knows there is profit to be made here, nvidia and amd have been monopolizing the gpu market for sometime. People need to understand no companies are here to make you happy ehhe
Good point. This is why the second half of this year will be the perfect storm for gamers as well as miners who want to get into the market at a cheap price. According to Moore's Law is Dead, Shintel will probably sell their video cards for below cost in order to aggressively take market share from AMDead / nGreedia.

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I agree. ETH PoW mining has remained profitable because it has utility and widespread adoption of it's smart contract platform which has evolved in to multiple entire market sectors generating fees for miners. All of the other GPU minable coins have for the most part, empty blockchains and nowhere near the transaction volume of ETH. Once ETH moves to PoS, the block subsidy of those other PoW coins will be distributed to an increasing number of miners jumping in and make it unprofitable except to the miners with the lowest overhead costs.

I very much doubt we will see another POW coin that can support the amount of GPU's and replace ETH's profitability. But I also believe that the millions of GPU's that are currently mining ETH are not just going to sit idly without some project looking to tap in to that enormous computational resource. If ETH's transition to POS is successful, instead of GPU's doing meaningless POW computations to secure a network it may evolve in to a distributed, decentralized network of on-demand computing power such as with the Golem Project and Render coin.
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Ethereum Network Hashrate is currently: 955 TH/s
Etherecum Classic Network Hashrate is currently: 27 TH/s

Currently with 30MH/s you make $1 per GPU per day with ETC. Prior to any power costs.

If all the 955 TH/s switches to ETC, then the hashrate will become ~ 982 TH/s. Which means the difficulty will go up 36x. So basically the profits go down 36 times.

So $1 per day becomes $0.027 per day before any power costs.

Now lets assume that only half the hashrate are GPUs since the ETH ASICs cannot mine ETC. So 955/2=477TH/s. So ETC Network hashrate will become 504TH/s.

So basically instead of $0.027 per day it will be $0.053 per day. You basically need $0.015 kwh power to make nothing. Nobody except maybe in Iraq got 1 cent power.

I dont believe most will move to other coins, I believe most will just turn off their gpus and then resell their gpus while they can get something out of it, because, first, it will be negative profit on all coins and second, as we know supply will increase a lot either way, intel gpus coming, eth going pos, new gpus from nvidia aka 4xxx series and amd, plus the second hand market plus many miners with outdated gpus  not being able to compete in the mining anymore. Only crazy people are buying gpus right now or have been for sometime, also this is still not bear market, this still bull market, there is that too and this bull market has been going for a long time already and this is dangerous. I do believe manipulators will one more time pump coins before a huge crash, they want to trap new sheeps close to top once again ehhe

Also the gpu price manipulation in china will decrease a lot as Intel gets into the gpu market because Intel knows there is profit to be made here, nvidia and amd have been monopolizing the gpu market for sometime. People need to understand no companies are here to make you happy ehhe, they want profit and amd and nvidia are already friends in the gpu market mafia, even if intel get inside still not sure if this price manipulation will be less than what it is, we need another player other than intel, amd or nvidia.
legendary
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Ethereum Network Hashrate is currently: 955 TH/s
Etherecum Classic Network Hashrate is currently: 27 TH/s

Currently with 30MH/s you make $1 per GPU per day with ETC. Prior to any power costs.

If all the 955 TH/s switches to ETC, then the hashrate will become ~ 982 TH/s. Which means the difficulty will go up 36x. So basically the profits go down 36 times.

So $1 per day becomes $0.027 per day before any power costs.

Now lets assume that only half the hashrate are GPUs since the ETH ASICs cannot mine ETC. So 955/2=477TH/s. So ETC Network hashrate will become 504TH/s.

So basically instead of $0.027 per day it will be $0.053 per day. You basically need $0.015 kwh power to make nothing. Nobody except maybe in Iraq got 1 cent power.

You're right, your numbers are correct and I can't disagree with facts  Smiley
BUT, let's imagine a better scenario?

There's a probability of more than 50% of hashrate being from Asics
You're saying ALL hashrate goes to ETC, if this happens, all another coins will continue profitable, and in a realistic scenario the power will be divided to different coins
ETC price right now is 48 USD, and ATH is 176 USD, there's chance to ETC reach this price again

Every little thing can increase profitability, and I say again, hard to know, even the oldest miners can't know exactly  Cheesy


95% of the ethereum network is owned by the miners.
Moving to POS is a smart move, but not a profitable move.

ETH can be dumped after merge, we will only know about the influence of miners at price after some time
And there's the unlock too
Miners are part of the ETH environment, they sell coins, but they do more than that to ETH
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95% of the ethereum network is owned by the miners.
Moving to POS is a smart move, but not a profitable move.
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I have 140 GPUS and have been mining since 2016, everything has been paid off long ago.  If nothing is profitable I'll turn off my rigs and wait awhile before selling gpus.  When I got into mining I never thought it would last this long, I'm just happy with the results. 
legendary
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Ethereum Network Hashrate is currently: 955 TH/s
Etherecum Classic Network Hashrate is currently: 27 TH/s

Currently with 30MH/s you make $1 per GPU per day with ETC. Prior to any power costs.

If all the 955 TH/s switches to ETC, then the hashrate will become ~ 982 TH/s. Which means the difficulty will go up 36x. So basically the profits go down 36 times.

So $1 per day becomes $0.027 per day before any power costs.

Now lets assume that only half the hashrate are GPUs since the ETH ASICs cannot mine ETC. So 955/2=477TH/s. So ETC Network hashrate will become 504TH/s.

So basically instead of $0.027 per day it will be $0.053 per day. You basically need $0.015 kwh power to make nothing. Nobody except maybe in Iraq got 1 cent power.
legendary
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... If anything, you may see an explosion in price of a coin like Ravencoin to enable the market to move on to the next thing...

This is something I've been talking about for a while, there's a good opportunity to another coin take advantage of huge hashrate leaving ETH

We are talking about eth merge, end of mining, prices and coins exactly how they are right now, but in a few months we can see another coin taking this advantage, maybe a coin that already exists, like RVN as you said, maybe some coin with a good strategy to mine...

See? Nobody can predicts the end of mining or the continuity, it's all predictions...

We don't know how many asics are mining ETH, how many home miners will leave, if markets continue to rising and achieve new ATH, or enter in another bull run, the chances of being good to miners will increase.
And we can have another 2 years like 2018 and 2019 where profits are bad for most people and then another cycle starts...
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No idea why you are thinking that.
Looking at whattomine.com there are still 6+ coins that are close to ETH mining profits.
And another 15 or so that will still generate some good money.
At a guess those will get crushed, but some others will probably come back up.
Monero and similar are my guess.

Not going to worry about it.

FYI there are dozens of similar posts about this very thing if you want to search a bit.

-Dave

Agreed.  I don't expect GPU mining to suddenly stop because ETH went PoS.  If anything, you may see an explosion in price of a coin like Ravencoin to enable the market to move on to the next thing.  If you were looking at selling your rigs, the time is already behind us.  Prices of ETH are on the rise and prices of GPUs are on the decline for more than a month now.  As the price of ETH rises more and GPUs continue to fall in price, you get a double loss on what you could have sold them for.  No amount of mining in this period will make up for that loss.  So basically, if you're planning to sell your rigs, do so ASAP.  If you're planning to continue mining, don't worry about it.  The market will create opportunities.  That's what it does.
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Why would I liquidate my farm when everything has been paid off just because ETH is rumored to be going Consensus layer this June/July? What makes you think if a big bug was found that they'll launch it in three months? lol

Yeah Like I said my gear is paid off. I could mine any coins I want for 18 months even if all the coins were worthless.

So Basically I simply mine and cash out. I hodl the cash and see what happens.
sr. member
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Why would I liquidate my farm when everything has been paid off just because ETH is rumoured to be going Consensus layer this June/July? What makes you think if a big bug was found that they'll launch it in three months? lol
It's no more a rumour I suggest you take this very serious, the ETH PoW algorithm is going away but I think vitalik buterin isn't happy about it either, the PoW algorithm is the best way better than PoS algorithm.
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Why would I liquidate my farm when everything has been paid off just because ETH is rumored to be going Consensus layer this June/July? What makes you think if a big bug was found that they'll launch it in three months? lol
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Dont worry too much. Even eth goes away thats fine. who knows maybe dev will upgrade ETC much better like ETH does new contracts new abilities,new ecosystem or this can happen to any coin out there.1 thing i know if ETH moves to POS it will loose.Most valuable coins is POW coin.POS coins dont cost nothing they just made from thin air.I think Buterin also knows how POW is important.
 it is crypto anything can happen tomorrow.
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I have no idea, all I know is there is more than 4 coins that are profitable on my Nvidia graphic cards, I can still mine crypotnightgpu algo, kawpow algo, autolykos algo and others, it doesn't make sense to sell gpus right now.
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I will continue mining even at a loss,be it ETC,ERGO or RVN as the top priority coins after ETH goes to PoS while Monero can also be a good thing up to a certain extent.Another way is to point your hash rate to the unmineable website and choose one of the many coins that cannot be mined directly with GPU-s.As always as long there is a will there is a way and I am pretty sure not 100% of the miners are depending on Ethereum only,they have alternatives in place if the merge happens during Q2 or Q3 of this year.
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Many miners will sell their rigs and mining difficulty will decrease, this is my aim after the PoS algorithm is active on the ETH network, things will look very bad at first but later those who refuse to sell their rigs will be the winners.
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This will be a non issue for me.

I burn 150 cards under 30 kwatt total.

so 30 x 24 = 720 kwatts a day that is 36 dollars in power a day. At a nickel a kwatt

or 36 x 365 = 13000+ cash for the next year.

All my cards are paid off.

and I have over 22000 in cash waiting for this issue to happen.

So my cards are covered for more than 18 months even if they just burn power and earn zero.

Any miner worth his salt should be ready for this to happen.

Btw The real question is what will AMD and Nvidia do if the turnover happens.

No one will buy cards from them for like a year straight.

BTW Good luck to all but I see at least a delay to Oct or Nov.

I will be happy to buy some discounted GPU from you or other miners that will sell there rig. I will use it to update all the GPU use on my internet cafe since I'm currently using low end graphic cards as my customer only play soft graphics games. Yes I think this will be not an issue besides miner is already ROI, There's a lot of potential buyer in secondary market that looking for used GPU as a temporary replacement for there own personal computer. This GPU used in mining usually has a high spec so it will be easy to sell it on discounted price just to salvage some money from it for miners.
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GPU miner since '13 here.. Was happily GPU mining away for 3 years BEFORE Ethereum even came along.
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So listening and reading in on all the dev comments. It seems that unless there is some major bug discovered last minute, it seems the merge will happen in June 2022. Maybe July 2022.

The merge means finally end of POW mining for ETH and quite possibly for most GPUs out there in existence. GPU mining might be a thing of the past.

Everybody is saying. Oh there are other coins to mine. However they don’t realize that most of the mineable GPU coins out there, the miner reward is nowhere near that of ETH. And ETH mining was not only profitable due to its block reward, it was profitable most of the time due to its transaction fees. No other coin out there generated as much miner transaction fees as ETH.

I can see this being the end of the road for most GPUs in terms of mining. Most GPUs will go live a second life as a gamer or rendering GPU, not mining. Maybe 1-2% will go on and continue to mine ETC.

It’s great if you are a ETH holder. The merge will lower the issuance rate and increase the staking rate. So it’s good for ETH long term price.

So question is when will you start to sell your GPUs?

1) If you sell too early and the merge is delayed you might lose out on some profits.

2) If you sell a month before a confirmed block number is confirmed, you will miss out on one or two months profits but you will get top dollar for your gear.

3) If you wait until the block number is released or sell until the last block is mined you are going to compete with many other miners out there who are listing their GPUs on eBay, Kijiji, Facebook marketplace, Amazon, etc.




I'm already preparing stuff for other coins - I don't plan on selling mine. See, the thing is... there ARE other coins to mine. Now, many will sell off their rigs, and as the profitability of them drop (due to ETH miners moving), the less efficient miners will drop off - leaving the more efficient ones.
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