Topic: Etsy - but with Bitcoin (Read 304 times)
I think, I found marketplace you might want to check out is like Bitify (bitify.com). It's a Bitcoin marketplace where you can buy and sell all sorts of digital and physical goods. While it's not quite as "homemade" as Etsy, I think it could be a good option if you're looking for a marketplace that accepts Bitcoin and has lower fees than Etsy.
It's automated dropshipping using API,
customer places the order on the alibitress, payment gets verified on blockchain, and order is automatically sent to the seller on AliExpress using their dropshipping API.
A credit card is attached with the AliExpress account to fulfill the orders.
All of the customer data is encrypted on alibitress, and data is also removed from AliExpress after 15 days of delivery confirmation.
More than 50+ orders are shipped to different customers, many of the customers are returning customers.
If both you and seller can access personal information and delivery address, that is much higher risk of data leaks to happen in future.
I would pay more attention to this, and hire few more helpers to take care of bugs and issues.
If you want to increase profit you need to reduce fees or offer some other advantages and discounts for paying with Bitcoin.
customer places the order on the alibitress, payment gets verified on blockchain, and order is automatically sent to the seller on AliExpress using their dropshipping API.
A credit card is attached with the AliExpress account to fulfill the orders.
All of the customer data is encrypted on alibitress, and data is also removed from AliExpress after 15 days of delivery confirmation.
More than 50+ orders are shipped to different customers, many of the customers are returning customers.
It's just pricing glitch, there is no money laundering or illegal activity going on. I assure you that.
Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
Are you purchasing ordered items from original sellers and then shipping them to person who ordered from you, or you are only converting values from fiat to crypto with added fee?Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
If both you and seller can access personal information and delivery address, that is much higher risk of data leaks to happen in future.
I would pay more attention to this, and hire few more helpers to take care of bugs and issues.
I also agree, that pricing is 20-30% high than the original price, and I'm working on it to decrease it to optimal price.
Can you tell us how many people are actually using your website?If you want to increase profit you need to reduce fees or offer some other advantages and discounts for paying with Bitcoin.
It's just pricing glitch, there is no money laundering or illegal activity going on. I assure you that.
Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
Are you purchasing ordered items from original sellers and then shipping them to person who ordered from you, or you are only converting values from fiat to crypto with added fee?Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
If both you and seller can access personal information and delivery address, that is much higher risk of data leaks to happen in future.
I would pay more attention to this, and hire few more helpers to take care of bugs and issues.
I also agree, that pricing is 20-30% high than the original price, and I'm working on it to decrease it to optimal price.
Can you tell us how many people are actually using your website?If you want to increase profit you need to reduce fees or offer some other advantages and discounts for paying with Bitcoin.
We have a known ecommerce marketplace here in my local like etsy(Shopee) accepting bitcoin, but im not so sure they will be available in other parts of the world other than South East Asia.
I hope that one of the developers and web designers will create a marketplace like Etsy for Bitcoin and for crypto in the future, it would be frankly a great and good idea for the crypto community.
There are lot of online marketplace has been made that mainly accept bitcoin but the main problem is people don't use it for many reasons, including the higher service fee, low marketing effort of the owner that results to lesser buyers and seller, reputation, etc. 
Are there any Bitcoin marketplaces that have been developed with similar DNA and design to that of the fiat, online marketplace Etsy?
I searched about what you wanted, about a Bitcoin marketplace like Etsy, but I did not find a marketplace like Etsy for cryptocurrencies other than the Marketplace board here in the forum, through which you can buy and sell goods with various members around the world, but you must use escrow so as not to be exposed to scam.I hope that one of the developers and web designers will create a marketplace like Etsy for Bitcoin and for crypto in the future, it would be frankly a great and good idea for the crypto community.
For sites that offer you services to buy gift cards and top-ups with Bitcoin and Crypto online, I recommend the following sites but do not forget to do your research first:
[1] https://www.cryptorefills.com/
[2] https://shop.uquid.com/
It's just pricing glitch, there is no money laundering or illegal activity going on. I assure you that.
Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
There is no tax evasion, if a customer is from EU or US, or any other location, AliExpress include the VAT with the pricing of each product, and same with the US customer, I have to pay US sales tax on each US order.
Ofcourse, I have to convert the crypto into Fiat, but the idea is to force big marketplaces to adopt crypto payments.
I also agree, that pricing is 20-30% high than the original price, and I'm working on it to decrease it to optimal price.
This has to be some kind of joke?
https://i.imgur.com/8hHnETA.png
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
Being a solo developer, I try to solve most of the problems, and to be honest, I improve a lot, and many people supported the idea.
There is no tax evasion, if a customer is from EU or US, or any other location, AliExpress include the VAT with the pricing of each product, and same with the US customer, I have to pay US sales tax on each US order.
Ofcourse, I have to convert the crypto into Fiat, but the idea is to force big marketplaces to adopt crypto payments.
I also agree, that pricing is 20-30% high than the original price, and I'm working on it to decrease it to optimal price.
One forum member recenetly released clone of AliExpress called AliBitress that accepts Bitcoin payments, so in theory it's possible to do something like that with Etsy.
This has to be some kind of joke?
https://i.imgur.com/8hHnETA.png
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
I developed Alibitress.
Being a solo developer and limited on budget, It's little hard to solve all the problems, but I'm improving the website each day.
It's about 15+ million products, and errors are possible.
This has to be some kind of joke?
https://i.imgur.com/8hHnETA.png
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
Being a solo developer and limited on budget, It's little hard to solve all the problems, but I'm improving the website each day.
It's about 15+ million products, and errors are possible.
One forum member recenetly released clone of AliExpress called AliBitress that accepts Bitcoin payments, so in theory it's possible to do something like that with Etsy.
This has to be some kind of joke?
https://i.imgur.com/8hHnETA.png
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
the alibitress example seems easy to explain
the lower price ($83) is 0.005
where the bigger price($8.3m) is 500btc
in todays currency
i believe its a typo of someone putting the wrong amount and simply posting a new advert without removing the error
you know, it seems they are used to using μbtc measure of 0.00001
and simply got the conversion rates wrong
i dont think its a nefarious laundering offer
the lower price ($83) is 0.005
where the bigger price($8.3m) is 500btc
in todays currency
i believe its a typo of someone putting the wrong amount and simply posting a new advert without removing the error
you know, it seems they are used to using μbtc measure of 0.00001
and simply got the conversion rates wrong
i dont think its a nefarious laundering offer
ebay/etsy work better because they are clear accounts with names and addresses and ratings systems where seller get to rate buyers and buyers get to rate sellers where its slightly more difficult to just create reputation if your just going to use a no ID system
Rating systems can also be integrated into Peer to Peer markets. This can solve the larger part of this issue. But it can generate more trouble too. The rating system can be abused. But then you have websites like Trustpilot with a lot of false reviews as well. To summarize it, I think there will never be fair use of a service. There will always be troublemakers ruining it.-----
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
But is this a solution? It only makes money laundering a bit more difficult and time consuming. But they can always put Alienware computers up for sale at exaggerated prices instead and still launder the money. Or expensive cameras. Or whatever else is expensive enough to make the price look legitimate for that matter. Ali Express has some overpriced items too. Overpriced by a few dozen to hundred thousand percent.As I just mentioned above. They will always find a way no matter how rigid the rules are.
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I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
I never said this cloned website is legit, but last time I checked it was showing the exact same prices like in AliExpress website.They are just using NowPayments to convert fiat currencies to Bitcoin, but I would not risk exposing my information and delivery address.
Even with original Aliexpress and sellers from China you can get tricked and receive some junk.
One forum member recenetly released clone of AliExpress called AliBitress that accepts Bitcoin payments, so in theory it's possible to do something like that with Etsy.
This has to be some kind of joke?
I get that people can set whatever price they want on their items, but the sales platform should be moderating the products going up to sale to make sure it is not money laundering in disguise of outrageous prices such as these - and there definitely shouldn't be a 7-figure US sales price on this order.
Though, summing up all of the fees that Etsy charges, they are essentially taking up to 9.5% per transaction, plus $0.45 USD. That is quite a bit. I'm sure that a much more vendor-friendly version of this could be created with minimal transaction fees - at least in comparison.
Etsy is probably one of the worst marketplaces I ever saw.They are ripping of sellers, they don't allow them to sell their stuff anywhere outside Etsy and they have very strict policy for account suspension.
I recently talked with one guy who is selling stuff there and he told me several people could complete purchases and they got their accounts suspended for no reason.
I don't want to have anything similar that works with Bitcoin, it's much better for sellers to create their own website and add direct Bitcoin payment option.
One forum member recenetly released clone of AliExpress called AliBitress that accepts Bitcoin payments, so in theory it's possible to do something like that with Etsy.
You can do a Google search instead of asking here.
The funny thing is that when you type "Bitcoin marketplace for goods and services" 90% of the search results are crypto exchange platforms.
I've found websites like Bitmpremier.com and cryptothrift.com. The first one is claiming to be a Bitcoin marketplace for luxury items and the second one claims to be "the eBay of Bitcoin". I don't think that those websites have big amounts of traffic and a large userbase. I wouldn't use them, because they don't seem trustworthy, I don't want to spend my BTC on stuff I don't need.
Many of the older Bitcoiners remember Openbazaar, which failed to become a functional BTC marketplace.
The funny thing is that when you type "Bitcoin marketplace for goods and services" 90% of the search results are crypto exchange platforms.
I've found websites like Bitmpremier.com and cryptothrift.com. The first one is claiming to be a Bitcoin marketplace for luxury items and the second one claims to be "the eBay of Bitcoin". I don't think that those websites have big amounts of traffic and a large userbase. I wouldn't use them, because they don't seem trustworthy, I don't want to spend my BTC on stuff I don't need.
Many of the older Bitcoiners remember Openbazaar, which failed to become a functional BTC marketplace.
the reason was back in 2011. although silkroad was drugs related. it was mainly libertarians who didnt give a crap and thought drugs should be legal and authorities cant do crap about it so they didnt mind sharing delivery addresses
because receiving drugs was not a big deal crime for personal use amounts in many area's, where only the seller needed to stay hidden and not reveal location
however these days we have the extremist tin foil anti-gov conservative types that are "privacy" "dont use centralised services" kings who even with legit products dont want to reveal home delivery locations out of fear that one day if laws change they could be locked up for just using bitcoin or not declaring taxes on their bitcoin income "coz services log everything and government watch everything"(facepalm)
to me i laugh and feel the second(more recent group) sound more drug induced paranoid than the first group
but basically these days no one really used services that tried(openbazaar, crypto emporium), so they fizzled out quickly.. (by this i mean they didnt get high user viral sensation/utility)
because receiving drugs was not a big deal crime for personal use amounts in many area's, where only the seller needed to stay hidden and not reveal location
however these days we have the extremist tin foil anti-gov conservative types that are "privacy" "dont use centralised services" kings who even with legit products dont want to reveal home delivery locations out of fear that one day if laws change they could be locked up for just using bitcoin or not declaring taxes on their bitcoin income "coz services log everything and government watch everything"(facepalm)
to me i laugh and feel the second(more recent group) sound more drug induced paranoid than the first group
but basically these days no one really used services that tried(openbazaar, crypto emporium), so they fizzled out quickly.. (by this i mean they didnt get high user viral sensation/utility)
Very interesting.
I wonder why anyone hasn't tried a Silk Road 2.0 (under a different name) without the drugs, murder, and lawlessness.
Of course, there is the idea that the government was coming after the Bitcoin and the threat of Bitcoin to fiat, but I think they would have a much more difficult time taking down a legitimate business just because of Bitcoin use.
I wonder why anyone hasn't tried a Silk Road 2.0 (under a different name) without the drugs, murder, and lawlessness.
Of course, there is the idea that the government was coming after the Bitcoin and the threat of Bitcoin to fiat, but I think they would have a much more difficult time taking down a legitimate business just because of Bitcoin use.
collateral was kept in account to sway users from just making 1000 accounts a day and scamming 1000 a day
it helped to keep both buyer and seller to keeping one account occupied and used else they would lose that value. or cost them multiples of value just to generate multiple accounts..
it was on both buyers and sellers (dont hold me to that response, but it makes sense if both sides had something to lose)
and if there was unresolvable dispute then the collateral was used to resolve dispute. thus it forced parties to agree on something to avoid losing collateral
it helped to keep both buyer and seller to keeping one account occupied and used else they would lose that value. or cost them multiples of value just to generate multiple accounts..
it was on both buyers and sellers (dont hold me to that response, but it makes sense if both sides had something to lose)
and if there was unresolvable dispute then the collateral was used to resolve dispute. thus it forced parties to agree on something to avoid losing collateral
Frank, was the collateral-reputation system on Silk Road for the vendors, buyers, or both?
Also, what if the buyer had to put up collateral until the package safely arrived? Perhaps a certain percentage of the cost of the product would be tacked on to the purchase that the marketplace would hold in case of a package dispute. If a product dispute employee (someone who helps solves vendor/buyer disputes) determines that the buyer is trying to fraud the vendor. The collateral that the buyer put up is transferred to the vendor.
If the package is received, collateral returns to the buyer. If the package was lost or somehow didn't arrive in satisfactory condition, that is a different matter.
Also, what if the buyer had to put up collateral until the package safely arrived? Perhaps a certain percentage of the cost of the product would be tacked on to the purchase that the marketplace would hold in case of a package dispute. If a product dispute employee (someone who helps solves vendor/buyer disputes) determines that the buyer is trying to fraud the vendor. The collateral that the buyer put up is transferred to the vendor.
If the package is received, collateral returns to the buyer. If the package was lost or somehow didn't arrive in satisfactory condition, that is a different matter.
All great points franky - thanks for your thoughts.
I am tempted to advocate for a process that I believe the notorious Silk Road used. Silk Road had an escrow Bitcoin wallet that would pay vendors once the buyer said they received the good. Obviously this would allow the buyers to scam the sellers. You'd have to come up with a way to stop that fraud.
I think a customer/vendor rating system would work just fine. The vendors would not be able to have anonymity, but the buyers could. I am not entirely sure how to stop the buyer from committing fraud, but the vendor would be making more profit per transaction on the Bitcoin network without credit card company fees. Would this outweigh MASS fraud - No.
I'm trying to imagine an online market model where the marketplace isn't making money by gauging the vendors with huge transaction/processing fees.
I am tempted to advocate for a process that I believe the notorious Silk Road used. Silk Road had an escrow Bitcoin wallet that would pay vendors once the buyer said they received the good. Obviously this would allow the buyers to scam the sellers. You'd have to come up with a way to stop that fraud.
I think a customer/vendor rating system would work just fine. The vendors would not be able to have anonymity, but the buyers could. I am not entirely sure how to stop the buyer from committing fraud, but the vendor would be making more profit per transaction on the Bitcoin network without credit card company fees. Would this outweigh MASS fraud - No.
I'm trying to imagine an online market model where the marketplace isn't making money by gauging the vendors with huge transaction/processing fees.
yes although i didnt like the produce silkroad was advertising... however, the method of keeping dubious criminals from scamming was novel by using the deposit system (deposited collateral used as reputation) was a feature.. aswell as the escrow. it wasnt perfect but it also was better than nothing. however more is needed to offer a good reputable product listing site that doesnt cost a high middleman escrow fee to counter any losses made by scamming
because if the fiat scam rate is 1% even with all their middleman features and protections. then the scam rate in crypto would be 10x+
the issue with marketplaces for goods is not what you might be thinking at first.. its not the centrality. its not even the listing of goods.. its the whole scamming and scheming on both sides
EG
sellers that dont deliver and just run away with the funds..
buyers that pretend goods not received and demand refunds
where they just set up new bitcoin addresses for payments and pretend to be a new business every day, or customers pretend to be different everyday and scam the same seller over and over
things like ebay have buyer protection which makes it harmful to sellers.
other sites have seller protections which makes it harmful to buyers.
but these fiat sites found they needed something to alleviate the fraud/scam risk
but in a system of anonymity and no desire of KYC it becomes a hotbed of people trying harder to scam and scheme a system
market places have a headache with this stuff which is why they charge fee's for offering a listing site. because they become the mediator of disputes about sold goods not being sent or customers saying they didnt arrive where both sides are trying to run off with goods or funds for free
ebay/etsy work better because they are clear accounts with names and addresses and ratings systems where seller get to rate buyers and buyers get to rate sellers where its slightly more difficult to just create reputation if your just going to use a no ID system
it would be great to have a market place where people can advertise goods and novelty gifts to sell. but it requires a highly invested middleman to mediate/escrow deals, so that fair trade can happen with punishments for abusing said deals
EG
sellers that dont deliver and just run away with the funds..
buyers that pretend goods not received and demand refunds
where they just set up new bitcoin addresses for payments and pretend to be a new business every day, or customers pretend to be different everyday and scam the same seller over and over
things like ebay have buyer protection which makes it harmful to sellers.
other sites have seller protections which makes it harmful to buyers.
but these fiat sites found they needed something to alleviate the fraud/scam risk
but in a system of anonymity and no desire of KYC it becomes a hotbed of people trying harder to scam and scheme a system
market places have a headache with this stuff which is why they charge fee's for offering a listing site. because they become the mediator of disputes about sold goods not being sent or customers saying they didnt arrive where both sides are trying to run off with goods or funds for free
ebay/etsy work better because they are clear accounts with names and addresses and ratings systems where seller get to rate buyers and buyers get to rate sellers where its slightly more difficult to just create reputation if your just going to use a no ID system
it would be great to have a market place where people can advertise goods and novelty gifts to sell. but it requires a highly invested middleman to mediate/escrow deals, so that fair trade can happen with punishments for abusing said deals
All great points franky - thanks for your thoughts.
I am tempted to advocate for a process that I believe the notorious Silk Road used. Silk Road had an escrow Bitcoin wallet that would pay vendors once the buyer said they received the good. Obviously this would allow the buyers to scam the sellers. You'd have to come up with a way to stop that fraud.
I think a customer/vendor rating system would work just fine. The vendors would not be able to have anonymity, but the buyers could. I am not entirely sure how to stop the buyer from committing fraud, but the vendor would be making more profit per transaction on the Bitcoin network without credit card company fees. Would this outweigh MASS fraud - No.
I'm trying to imagine an online market model where the marketplace isn't making money by gauging the vendors with huge transaction/processing fees.
Avikz, thanks very much for the link. I have never seen that site. Great, great idea. A gift card allows you to have fiat purchasing power with certain anonymity as well!
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