EU Looks to Ban Toasters, Kettles and Hair Dryers to Stem Global Warming

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on September 03, 2014, 09:18:30 AM

KnC has a large hangar farm up in the North of Sweden.
Electricity is relatively cheap and cooling is natural.

By the way, Norway (not in EU) is almost 100% renewable, seeing is electricity is generated in hydo-powerplants. We do everything with electricity here: heating, cooking, lighting. It's kind of pointless prohibiting hair-driers, when we have 7-8 1000W-1500W panels heating the house 24/7 for better part of the year.

ASICs are just "free" heating.

I never though that electricity was inexpensive in Sweden. They have one of the highest tax rates in all of EU. But if a large part of the electricity is produced from the hydro-power plants (as in the case with Norway), then I don't think that anyone will blame them for global warming. Too bad that the other EU nations, such as the UK and Germany don't have major rivers which could be used to generate hydro-power. Grin

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Quote from: alani123 on September 03, 2014, 04:25:57 PM

Quote from: crocko on September 03, 2014, 05:45:53 AM

.... What is mentioned in the OP obviously affects everyday use devices that are used by every household.

It's simple Control Freak mentality at work. The facts really don't matter, these kinds of people once they get into power cause massive annoyance and confusion.

Hair dryers already have a Low setting for anyone that wants to use it. And a lot of people do.

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Why don't they ban vibrators ?

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Quote from: pedrog on September 01, 2014, 08:10:46 PM

This is such a crappy situation, we have to be the ones paying high for energy and giving the example to "go green", while places like USA and China pollute as much as they want so they can have cheap energy...

And yet you're happy to freely use the services and products created in those 2 energy wasting countries Roll Eyes

If you're a consumer you're consuming regardless of where it's coming from. Unless you're living in a rainforest canopy you're probably not carbon negative.

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Quote from: crocko on September 03, 2014, 05:45:53 AM

Let's hope "they" will not ban the .. ASICs !! Wink

Anyway these are poor and less effective measures against global warming.

Bitcoin mining is not done in a large scale, I guess we will never have a big percentage of the households to run a miner themselves. What is mentioned in the OP obviously affects everyday use devices that are used by every household.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 03, 2014, 09:11:54 AM

Quote from: crocko on September 03, 2014, 05:45:53 AM

Let's hope "they" will not ban the .. ASICs !! Wink

ASICs will be on the top of the hit-list. What about kill two birds with one stone? They can protect the bankers who sponsor them, and at the same time give an impression that they are doing something to reduce the harmful effects of global warming. BTW... I am not sure whether large-scale Bitcoin mining occurs in the EU or not. Electricity there is insanely expensive. Angry

KnC has a large hangar farm up in the North of Sweden.
Electricity is relatively cheap and cooling is natural.

By the way, Norway (not in EU) is almost 100% renewable, seeing is electricity is generated in hydo-powerplants. We do everything with electricity here: heating, cooking, lighting. It's kind of pointless prohibiting hair-driers, when we have 7-8 1000W-1500W panels heating the house 24/7 for better part of the year.

ASICs are just "free" heating.

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Quote from: crocko on September 03, 2014, 05:45:53 AM

Let's hope "they" will not ban the .. ASICs !! Wink

ASICs will be on the top of the hit-list. What about kill two birds with one stone? They can protect the bankers who sponsor them, and at the same time give an impression that they are doing something to reduce the harmful effects of global warming. BTW... I am not sure whether large-scale Bitcoin mining occurs in the EU or not. Electricity there is insanely expensive. Angry

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Who cares, you can still buy the efficient stuff online, legal.
I have a nice stock of old light bulbs, and if I want more I buy them onloine, and I buy the long life version.
Because, you see, the old light bulbs are also made to have an artificially short life span, the same as the new ones actually.
So they can sell the ones without artificially short life span as "long life" at a higher price.
Yes, I know, by buying them I'm falling for the scam, but at least I'm aware of it.

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'All that glitters is not gold'

Let's hope "they" will not ban the .. ASICs !! Wink

Anyway these are poor and less effective measures against global warming.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2014, 01:05:05 PM

Quote from: blablahblah on September 02, 2014, 10:11:06 AM

This is all part of the energy war, and Russia trying to use its energy dominance in an attempt to control Europe. With the prospect of Russia "renegotiating" gas deals every winter, a "20 year plan" for building nuclear plants just isn't fast enough.

Seriously? Do you need to mention Russia in every single post of yours?

Nope. Read above.

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We were discussing about the EU proposal to ban toasters and kettles. What Russia has to do with this?

They're the suppliers of the gas that has a large effect on electricity cost. Aren't we allowed to discuss the real reasons behind the push for better efficiency?

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Quote from: blablahblah on September 02, 2014, 10:11:06 AM

This is all part of the energy war, and Russia trying to use its energy dominance in an attempt to control Europe. With the prospect of Russia "renegotiating" gas deals every winter, a "20 year plan" for building nuclear plants just isn't fast enough.

Seriously? Do you need to mention Russia in every single post of yours? We were discussing about the EU proposal to ban toasters and kettles. What Russia has to do with this?

Did Putin forced you to buy gas from him? Russia is not forcing anyone to buy the natural gas (they don't even have enough natural gas to export to countries such as South Korea and Japan). EU nations are purchasing it, since it costs almost 50% less than the LNG from Qatar.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 02, 2014, 09:34:24 AM

A simple step can stop all this BS. Replace carbon-di-oxide emitting thermal power plants with nuclear power plants. This can reduce a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. Also, wind-power and solar-power are good options.

As someone who lives in Greece, I know that Nuclear power is not used for electricity here. The only reactor we have is for experimental purposes. Apparently it was decided by our politicians that due to the earthquake activity and the small size of the country we we couldn't benefit enough from nuclear power. We were still buying energy created from nuclear plants in Bulgaria some years ago though.

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Until you make the power plants themselves green this isn't going to make a fucking difference, never mind the fact that the Carbon Dioxide produced by living beings completely outweighs anything that the coal and oil industries do.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2014, 09:37:00 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 02, 2014, 09:34:24 AM

A simple step can stop all this BS. Replace carbon-di-oxide emitting thermal power plants with nuclear power plants. This can reduce a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. Also, wind-power and solar-power are good options.

I will not favor solar power, as it is too expensive even now. But nuclear power is a wonderful option. However, the waste disposal is still quite a bit problematic. If we can invent some new method to re-use the nuclear waste, then nuclear energy will be a very attractive option. Wind power is also a wonderful option. But it cannot be implemented everywhere.

This is all part of the energy war, and Russia trying to use its energy dominance in an attempt to control Europe. With the prospect of Russia "renegotiating" gas deals every winter, a "20 year plan" for building nuclear plants just isn't fast enough.

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Wouldn't less powerfull electric kettle be less efficient than more powerful? With shorter time for heating there is less time for convection and radiation of heat?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 02, 2014, 09:34:24 AM

A simple step can stop all this BS. Replace carbon-di-oxide emitting thermal power plants with nuclear power plants. This can reduce a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. Also, wind-power and solar-power are good options.

I will not favor solar power, as it is too expensive even now. But nuclear power is a wonderful option. However, the waste disposal is still quite a bit problematic. If we can invent some new method to re-use the nuclear waste, then nuclear energy will be a very attractive option. Wind power is also a wonderful option. But it cannot be implemented everywhere.

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A simple step can stop all this BS. Replace carbon-di-oxide emitting thermal power plants with nuclear power plants. This can reduce a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. Also, wind-power and solar-power are good options.

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 02, 2014, 08:46:20 AM

Quote from: pungopete468 on September 01, 2014, 09:59:54 PM

Because the quality of the product will be sacrificed along with the power consumption.....
How about replacing single phase transformers with 3 phase transformers in residential areas; increasing the power output of existing electrical devices while simultaneously decreasing the amperage, and reducing the total cost of power for everybody...

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Residential areas do have 3 phases. But normally only one phase is installed in the home because it's just not necessary to have more. Extremely power hungry devices like on-demand water heaters, air conditioners, or car chargers likely have their own 3-phase wiring. Comparing vacuum cleaners to those high-power devices is nonsense.

Maybe Americans should first get 240VAC. Then we can talk.

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Now it is confirmed that the EU is run by a bunch of jokers.

Banning toasters and kettles would do little to stem global warming. If they are serious about slowing down the global warming phenomenon, then adopt measures to discourage illegal logging and deforestation in the Amazonian region and Indonesia. Imposing a ban on the Indonesian hardwood and the Peruvian Mahogany would do quite a lot on that regard.

But off-course, the hardwood business is run by powerful cartels and the EU don't have the balls to stand up to them. So what is left? Harass the ordinary citizens by banning all sort of essential utilities.

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Quote from: pungopete468 on September 01, 2014, 09:59:54 PM

Because the quality of the product will be sacrificed along with the power consumption.....
How about replacing single phase transformers with 3 phase transformers in residential areas; increasing the power output of existing electrical devices while simultaneously decreasing the amperage, and reducing the total cost of power for everybody...

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