I’m glad we are free of all this nonsense now, it didn’t make any sense why the world was so strict in enforcement around the virus. The death toll vs infection rate was miniscule. The heavy handed approach by governments was not warranted. I am glad we are free to live our lives now.
The COVID 19 was a big disaster to the world and the government was able to use this to make people go for the vaccine or else they would not be allowed to travel. The restrictions was too much for an ordinary man especially those of us that was not interested taking the vaccine. We thank the Lord that those time are now gone. I almost took the vaccine because I had to travel and it is one of the requirements that was necessary for every travellers. 
Topic: EU Told to Back Vaccine Passports or Google May Do It Anyway (Read 776 times)
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Nice strawman. It's been known for decades that endogenous retroviruses exist, and indeed, up to 7 or 8% of the entire human genome is derived from virus RNA or DNA. The argument has always been that the vaccine does not cause reverse transcription and integration, and indeed the study you are quoting only shows that integration can happen with COVID infection, not vaccination.
So if you don't want COVID integration in to your DNA, time to get vaccinated.
Nice strawman. It's been known for decades that endogenous retroviruses exist, and indeed, up to 7 or 8% of the entire human genome is derived from virus RNA or DNA. The argument has always been that the vaccine does not cause reverse transcription and integration, and indeed the study you are quoting only shows that integration can happen with COVID infection, not vaccination.
So if you don't want COVID integration in to your DNA, time to get vaccinated.
"The Lund University study, titled Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line" You arguing that the scientists fucked up and got a little covid into their petri dishes? We all know what pretzel the pharma/gates funded 'fact checkers' came up with to try to cover for this one, or can easily find it since these 'fact checks' are the only thing allowed on the major search engines these day.
To anyone who knows anything about ecology it will be obvious that evolution avoided pseudouradine as a base pair component for a reason.
To anyone who actually knows anything about biology, they will know that pseudouridine (spelt properly) is incredibly common and present in almost every organism on the planet. 
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudouridine
Pseudouridine is the most abundant RNA modification in cellular RNA.
Also known as 5-ribosyluracil, pseudouridine is a ubiquitous constituent of structural RNA (transfer, ribosomal, small nuclear (snRNA) and small nucleolar), and present in coding RNA, across the three phylogenetic domains of life and was the first discovered.
Also known as 5-ribosyluracil, pseudouridine is a ubiquitous constituent of structural RNA (transfer, ribosomal, small nuclear (snRNA) and small nucleolar), and present in coding RNA, across the three phylogenetic domains of life and was the first discovered.
Jiggering with it (and derivitives) got war criminals Kariko and notorious liar Weissman a Nobel price. Maybe you should volunteer with the Nobel committee to help them understand that these two criminals don't deserve the prize because the dindoo-nuffin.
https://maloneinstitute.org/blog/pseudouridine-what-is-it-and-why-should-you-care
I’m glad we are free of all this nonsense now, it didn’t make any sense why the world was so strict in enforcement around the virus. The death toll vs infection rate was miniscule. The heavy handed approach by governments was not warranted. I am glad we are free to live our lives now.
The vaccine isn't mandatory anymore but they will come up with something else. "Green new deal" is also part of it. They haven't given up on the electric vehicles for example but hopefully they soon will...
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Ford Motor's electric vehicle sales are running out of juice as the company plans to slash production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning in April "to achieve the optimal balance of production, sales growth and profitability."
Beginning on April 1, approximately 1,400 employees will be impacted at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan, Ford wrote in a statement on Friday.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ford-prepares-cut-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-productionBeginning on April 1, approximately 1,400 employees will be impacted at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan, Ford wrote in a statement on Friday.
The consumers see through the EV scam. A petro powered vehicle which was built 20-30 years ago has a better resale value than a 5 year old EV.
I’m glad we are free of all this nonsense now, it didn’t make any sense why the world was so strict in enforcement around the virus. The death toll vs infection rate was miniscule. The heavy handed approach by governments was not warranted. I am glad we are free to live our lives now.
Let's just say I'm not going to trust any closed-source mRNA program (because that's what the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine is).
The mRNA sequences used in the vaccines are publicly available. For example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/OK120841.1The 'which we already knew' is especially comical in light of the fact that you argued vociferously that it as beyond a shadow of a doubt impossible for a long time.
Nope. Here's what I've actually said:Yesterday: RNA can never integrate with DNA. Impossible.
Nice strawman. It's been known for decades that endogenous retroviruses exist, and indeed, up to 7 or 8% of the entire human genome is derived from virus RNA or DNA. The argument has always been that the vaccine does not cause reverse transcription and integration, and indeed the study you are quoting only shows that integration can happen with COVID infection, not vaccination.So if you don't want COVID integration in to your DNA, time to get vaccinated.
To anyone who knows anything about ecology it will be obvious that evolution avoided pseudouradine as a base pair component for a reason.
To anyone who actually knows anything about biology, they will know that pseudouridine (spelt properly) is incredibly common and present in almost every organism on the planet. Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudouridine
Pseudouridine is the most abundant RNA modification in cellular RNA.
Also known as 5-ribosyluracil, pseudouridine is a ubiquitous constituent of structural RNA (transfer, ribosomal, small nuclear (snRNA) and small nucleolar), and present in coding RNA, across the three phylogenetic domains of life and was the first discovered.
Also known as 5-ribosyluracil, pseudouridine is a ubiquitous constituent of structural RNA (transfer, ribosomal, small nuclear (snRNA) and small nucleolar), and present in coding RNA, across the three phylogenetic domains of life and was the first discovered.
This didn't age well...
https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
A press release quoting this moron is hardly conclusive proof of anything.https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
Regardless, let's take a look at the study itself. It shows that reverse transcription happens (in unstable cells in a Petri dish), which we already knew. It does not show the vaccine changing our DNA.
Reverse transcription is, by definition, 'changing DNA'. The study was performed on HEK liver cells which are human.
The 'which we already knew' is especially comical in light of the fact that you argued vociferously that it as beyond a shadow of a doubt impossible for a long time.
Here are what the authors of the study say about it:
This study does not investigate whether the Pfizer vaccine alters our genome.
This is simply 'old school' science where one does not make claims which are outside of the confines of the investigation. Totaly the opposite of what you 'new science' people seem to consider appropriate if not in fact the holy mission of your efforts. I would be surprised if you are not by some relatively direct path a disciple of the creep-show led by Amazing Randi. I ran across these degenerates in research on vaccines and pseudo-science long before the coviads scamdemic.
There is no reason for anyone to change their decision to take the vaccine based on this study.
Certainly it didn't change my decision to NOT get the highly secretive experimental gene therapy heavily pushed by criminal cartels. To anyone who knows anything about ecology it will be obvious that evolution avoided pseudouradine as a base pair component for a reason. You have to be a special kind of stupid to deliberately transfect your cells in order to make them into any sort of long-running protein factory, and especially not ones which produce a highly toxic (and long developed as a biological weapon) spike protein.
I'm genuinely disappointed when I see Bitcoiners blindly trusting governments and Big Pharma.
You know very well from our conversations on other topics, such as about CBDCs, that I do not trust the government one bit. Getting vaccinated has nothing to do with trusting the government, however, but simply understanding the science of vaccines.I must concede that you do have a better than average grasp of the science behind these vaccinations. For this reason I would be willing to bet money that you did NOT let a drop of this stuff enter your own bodily tissues. Alas, there is no way to prove to my satisfaction one way or another, and that is not ONLY because you are an anonymous 'internet doctor' who freely hands out 'medical advice' on-line completely at variance with established medical ethics required by licensing boards. At least required until the covaids scamdemic.
I'd not be at all surprised if one of your other sock puppets was actively pumping the tide-pod challenge.
This didn't age well...
https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
A press release quoting this moron is hardly conclusive proof of anything.https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
Regardless, let's take a look at the study itself. It shows that reverse transcription happens (in unstable cells in a Petri dish), which we already knew. It does not show the vaccine changing our DNA.
Here are what the authors of the study say about it:
I'm genuinely disappointed when I see Bitcoiners blindly trusting governments and Big Pharma.
You know very well from our conversations on other topics, such as about CBDCs, that I do not trust the government one bit. Getting vaccinated has nothing to do with trusting the government, however, but simply understanding the science of vaccines.You trust Bitcoin (and maybe Linux too) for a reason: because it's open-source and millions of eyes can analyze the code. Right?
So why would you trust to inject a closed-source program into your body?
I don't install closed source *.exe from shady sources on my PC, despite the fact I can throw away my PC to the garbage bin and buy a new one. Will I be able to buy a new body if I experience vaccine side effects?
Think about it for a second... ever wondered why Pfizer/Moderna don't release the source code to the public?
A year or two ago these vaccine passports were mandatory. The Schengen zone cancelled it more a year ago I believe, The US was the only country still demanding it and I learned that they too quit asking it. See? It used to be the worldwide emergency, and now they pretend like it never happened.
Didn't take the jab, gave zero fucks and now I can freely travel again.
Millions of people took the jab which they don't know anything about and they'll have to live with that. R.i.p.
Didn't take the jab, gave zero fucks and now I can freely travel again.
Millions of people took the jab which they don't know anything about and they'll have to live with that. R.i.p.
This didn't age well...
https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
A press release quoting this moron is hardly conclusive proof of anything.https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
Regardless, let's take a look at the study itself. It shows that reverse transcription happens (in unstable cells in a Petri dish), which we already knew. It does not show the vaccine changing our DNA.
Here are what the authors of the study say about it:
I'm genuinely disappointed when I see Bitcoiners blindly trusting governments and Big Pharma.
You know very well from our conversations on other topics, such as about CBDCs, that I do not trust the government one bit. Getting vaccinated has nothing to do with trusting the government, however, but simply understanding the science of vaccines.you can still go to supermarkets no matter what
stop making up idiot conspiracies.
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about nano robots
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about monkey/fetus tissue
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about vaccine more deadly than the disease
just accept your losses and start dealing with facts. stop creating more lies. its never going to win you anything
Well, let's just say this didn't age too well. stop making up idiot conspiracies.
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about nano robots
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about monkey/fetus tissue
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about vaccine more deadly than the disease
just accept your losses and start dealing with facts. stop creating more lies. its never going to win you anything
seems we have a conspiracy nut..
there is no biometric government ID+healthcare 'passport' that will link everything together and allow freedom of access to flights by 2021. and it appears there wont ever be.
take your tin foil hat off
This didn't age too well either:there is no biometric government ID+healthcare 'passport' that will link everything together and allow freedom of access to flights by 2021. and it appears there wont ever be.
take your tin foil hat off
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/carbon-passports-explainer/index.html
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
"Trust, don't verify"
That's our motto now. Why do you think Bill Gates or any other big-pharma company would do something to harm people?
Did they ever do this? No, of course not.
Pfizer for example is as innocent as a newborn baby.
Close your eyes and believe Poker Player. Everything will be great.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24840410/secret-california-lab-deadly-viruses-humanised-mice-china/
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
The vaccine does not change your DNA. There is no way it even could change your DNA without rewriting everything we know about cell biology.https://en.protothema.gr/pfizer-mrna-vaccine-goes-into-liver-and-changes-into-dna-swedish-study-finds/
It's basic high-school Biology knowledge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcriptase
Yes, older people and those with comorbidities have a higher risk of death from COVID (and I never claimed otherwise), but young people are dying, healthy people are dying, and young healthy people are dying.
Many young people are fat. That's not "healthy":https://www.ft.com/content/7db2b641-c831-4876-ba0c-0f815a42c8f0?segmentID=5b3cb929-a23e-88ae-662f-4cae036b0dee
"Fat acceptance" is a scam to keep people unhealthy.
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
"Trust, don't verify"
That's our motto now. Why do you think Bill Gates or any other big-pharma company would do something to harm people?
Did they ever do this? No, of course not.
Pfizer for example is as innocent as a newborn baby.
Close your eyes and believe Poker Player. Everything will be great.
Yeah, trust the salesmen. They only want the best for you, for us all!
What is the status of Brexit. Is the UK getting out of the European Union?
Why is this important? Because the UK (except for Scotland) is based in common law. The other EU nations are based in civic law. What's the difference?
Common law allows for a 12-person jury that doesn't have to accept judging instructions directed from the magistrate. They can make their own decisions in a case that they feel are right, thereby nullifying laws in a case when necessary.
Civil law either doesn't have a jury, or else the jury is really just another side of the magistrate, there to help the magistrate make a better decision in a case.
Common law = people rule via the courts.
Civil law = magistrate rule via the courts.
In the US, the magistrate is generally called a judge. In the UK, the judge is generally called a magistrate. In the US, the head magistrate in a State is usually the governor of the State.
Why is this important? Because the UK (except for Scotland) is based in common law. The other EU nations are based in civic law. What's the difference?
Common law allows for a 12-person jury that doesn't have to accept judging instructions directed from the magistrate. They can make their own decisions in a case that they feel are right, thereby nullifying laws in a case when necessary.
Civil law either doesn't have a jury, or else the jury is really just another side of the magistrate, there to help the magistrate make a better decision in a case.
Common law = people rule via the courts.
Civil law = magistrate rule via the courts.
In the US, the magistrate is generally called a judge. In the UK, the judge is generally called a magistrate. In the US, the head magistrate in a State is usually the governor of the State.
I agree on you here. But what will you do when you need to travel outside your country, and that country will only accept travelers that got their covid shot? Right now, they are not that strict yet. But I can see that some countries will require this vaccine before they can enter in their area of jurisdiction. Or they will implement some strict rules to those who don't have vaccine. I also believe that not all people should get this shot. A lot of viruses have been here already, like ebola or dengue virus and other deadly viruses. How many of us has this vaccine in our body to combat these viruses?
I have already forgotten about those days. I accepted the reality that I will never leave my country in the next 10 years. (maybe more) Not getting that poison is more important than having a few vacations. I suggest you do the same thing. (unless you live in a complete dirthole)
Or... get a fake vax cert. Bribe the doc and they will fake your shot.
Time to reset freedom in the USA. How? Form Private Membership Associations that outlaw within themselves, any form of Covid controls, and even the recognition of it... except to promote good nutrition and supplementation so that members remain disease-free, as well as politically/governmentally free.
Vaccine Passports: Your Ticket To Tyranny
Vaccine Passports: Your Ticket To Tyranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJ3mYqG2MM
Vaccine Passports: Your Ticket To Tyranny
Quote from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJ3mYqG2MM
Mainstream media is reporting that the Biden Administration is seriously looking into establishing some kind of Federal vaccine passport system, where Americans who cannot (or will not) prove to the government they have been jabbed with the experimental vaccine will be legally treated as second-class citizens. The system will quickly morph into a copy of China's "social credit" system, where undesirable behaviors are severely punished. With Covid dying out across the country as herd immunity is reached, "vaccine passports" seems more about more government control than public health.
Vaccine Passports: Your Ticket To Tyranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJ3mYqG2MM
Only vulnerable people should get the vaccine..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
What if I’ve already had Covid? You still are going to force me to get a vaccine so I can travel?
Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!
I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid.. I don’t think even one had a fever or any even slightly severe cold/flu symptoms..
They most just say it was weird loosing their taste and smell for a little while..
MANY I know tested positive HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL!!
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
Fuck that..
If your scared of Covid get the vaccine..
If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..
Y’all are ridiculous thinking everyone in the world needs the vaccine..
It’s insane..
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All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
What if I’ve already had Covid? You still are going to force me to get a vaccine so I can travel?
Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!
I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid.. I don’t think even one had a fever or any even slightly severe cold/flu symptoms..
They most just say it was weird loosing their taste and smell for a little while..
MANY I know tested positive HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL!!
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
Fuck that..
If your scared of Covid get the vaccine..
If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..
Y’all are ridiculous thinking everyone in the world needs the vaccine..
It’s insane..
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I agree on you here. But what will you do when you need to travel outside your country, and that country will only accept travelers that got their covid shot? Right now, they are not that strict yet. But I can see that some countries will require this vaccine before they can enter in their area of jurisdiction. Or they will implement some strict rules to those who don't have vaccine. I also believe that not all people should get this shot. A lot of viruses have been here already, like ebola or dengue virus and other deadly viruses. How many of us has this vaccine in our body to combat these viruses?
I think the greatest economical crisis is coming due to covid19. Many more people will die because of the crisis than from covid. This has been managed sooo sooo badly...
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‘Freedom Bracelet’ Tracking Device Launched As Alternative To Quarantine.Israel has rolled out what it is calling a ‘Freedom bracelet’, a tracking device that will serve as an alternative to a two-week quarantine for anyone entering the country from abroad.
https://cdn.summit.news/2021/03/GettyImages-1231457912.jpg
The device, which looks like a smart watch is being produced by a company called SuperCom, which has previously worked with governments of several countries on systems to track and monitor prisoners.
https://api-assets.infowars.com/2021/03/GettyImages-1231458164.jpg
Ordan Trabelsi, the CEO of SuperCom, said “We call it a ‘freedom bracelet’ because we are not locking anybody up, but rather giving them the opportunity to go home.”
…And be tracked by the government if they try to leave their house.
“Nobody is forced to do it, but for those who are interested, it gives them another option: more flexibility,” Trabelsi added.
o, the choices are be locked up for two weeks in a military-administered quarantine hotel, or take the tracking bracelet.
It doesn’t really sound like ‘freedom’.
The development comes at the same time as a court ruling demanding that the country’s domestic spy agency the Shin Bet must back off Covid-19 contact-tracing surveillance.
The court ruled that the efforts are “draconian” and a threat to democracy in the country, and can only be used in emergencies.
Israel is also operating a two tier society where those who have been vaccinated have a ‘green pass’ to go where they want, and those who haven’t must stay under lockdown.
https://cdn.summit.news/2021/03/GettyImages-1231457912.jpg
The device, which looks like a smart watch is being produced by a company called SuperCom, which has previously worked with governments of several countries on systems to track and monitor prisoners.
https://api-assets.infowars.com/2021/03/GettyImages-1231458164.jpg
Ordan Trabelsi, the CEO of SuperCom, said “We call it a ‘freedom bracelet’ because we are not locking anybody up, but rather giving them the opportunity to go home.”
…And be tracked by the government if they try to leave their house.
“Nobody is forced to do it, but for those who are interested, it gives them another option: more flexibility,” Trabelsi added.
o, the choices are be locked up for two weeks in a military-administered quarantine hotel, or take the tracking bracelet.
It doesn’t really sound like ‘freedom’.
The development comes at the same time as a court ruling demanding that the country’s domestic spy agency the Shin Bet must back off Covid-19 contact-tracing surveillance.
The court ruled that the efforts are “draconian” and a threat to democracy in the country, and can only be used in emergencies.
Israel is also operating a two tier society where those who have been vaccinated have a ‘green pass’ to go where they want, and those who haven’t must stay under lockdown.
NUMBER ONE RULE WHEN U ARE A DRUG DEALER
"NEVER GET HIGH ON YOUR OWN SUPPLY"
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New York Tests Vaccine Passports At MSG Rangers Game
Adoption of IBM app could mean no jab, no game
New York City has unveiled a vaccine passport system that could see anyone unable to prove they have taken the COVID shot barred from events venues.
Anyone attending events where the system is in place will be required to use a phone app or paper version of the pass to display their ‘green’ vaccination and testing status, with state guidelines in place to mandate the scheme.
Dubbed, the “Excelsior Pass”, the system was tested for a second time at Madison Square Garden this week during a New York Rangers game.
The system, which uses a QR code is ‘voluntary’ for now, but is likely to be made mandatory when it is fully rolled out.
New restrictions now implemented in New York require that venues with a capacity of over 10,000 to ensure everyone inside has tested negative for Covid-19 up to 72 hours before an event, or to prove they’ve been fully vaccinated.
The Excelsior Pass is based on a health pass system developed by IBM, meaning that it can easily be adapted for use by other cities and states.
Adoption of IBM app could mean no jab, no game
New York City has unveiled a vaccine passport system that could see anyone unable to prove they have taken the COVID shot barred from events venues.
Anyone attending events where the system is in place will be required to use a phone app or paper version of the pass to display their ‘green’ vaccination and testing status, with state guidelines in place to mandate the scheme.
Dubbed, the “Excelsior Pass”, the system was tested for a second time at Madison Square Garden this week during a New York Rangers game.
The system, which uses a QR code is ‘voluntary’ for now, but is likely to be made mandatory when it is fully rolled out.
New restrictions now implemented in New York require that venues with a capacity of over 10,000 to ensure everyone inside has tested negative for Covid-19 up to 72 hours before an event, or to prove they’ve been fully vaccinated.
The Excelsior Pass is based on a health pass system developed by IBM, meaning that it can easily be adapted for use by other cities and states.
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Leaked Letter: Global Transport Body Pushing Standardised Vaccine Passport on EU
IATA lobbying for “governments and authorities” to accept their vaccine passport framework
A leaked internal document reveals that the world’s largest air transport body is imploring the EU to adopt its vaccine passport system as standard across the entire 27 nation bloc, to ensure “evidence-based border restrictions” are implemented.
EURACTIV reports that the letter was sent to EU leaders by The International Air Transport Association (IATA), which has been pushing its vaccine statues based Travel Pass framework for some time now.
The letter, signed by IATA vice-president for Europe Rafael Schvartzman and addressed to European Council president Charles Michel, urges EU countries to “agree on the crucial role of secure digital solutions, such as the IATA Travel Pass”.
the letter argues that the travel pass will provide “governments and authorities – but also passengers and crew – with the needed confidence in each passengers’ health status”.
“This digital solution can verify the applicable legal framework at departure and arrival jurisdictions… ensuring that the traveller knows all the measures and conditions applicable,” the letter further reads.
It further suggests that countries need to agree to a “sane” approach to lifting travel restrictions, ensuring an “attainable balance between risk and people/economies’ financial sustainability.”
The leaked letter was obtained just hours before the EU is set to debate the vaccine passport system, with countries including Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal acting as the most aggressive proponents for a standardised vaccine passport system to kickstart tourism again.
Vaccine passports have previously been touted by the EU, with officials suggesting back in April that visa applicants would also be required to be vaccinated.
EU countries including Spain, Estonia, Iceland, Denmark, Poland, and Belgium have all indicated that they are open to some form of vaccine passports, as well as sharing the data across borders.
A slew of other countries have also now indicated that they will introduce vaccination passports, despite concerns that it will create a two-tear society of those who have and have not been vaccinated.
After months of denying there are any plans to introduce so called vaccine passports, the British government has also now admitted that not only is it considering introducing them for travel, but also merely to gain access to events spaces, and even shops and pubs.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is seemingly resistant to introducing the scheme, but is being hounded by proponents to adopt it, and has promised a review.
Former Prime Minister, and arch globalist, Tony Blair has renewed his push for Britain to implement a standardised global vaccine passport while the country has the G7 Presidency.
Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Blair urged “We should plan for an agreed ‘passport’ now. The arguments against it really don’t add up.”
“The world is moving in this direction,” Blair added, saying that he “can’t see another way of this.”
“With my team at the Institute for Global Change, I have looked at this from every angle and come to this conclusion: there is no prospect of a return to anything like normal without enabling people to show their Covid status, whether that means they have been vaccinated or recently tested,” Blair proclaimed.
Blair also revealed that he is working with the World Economic Forum on its CommonPass initiative, a COVID passport scheme being pushed by a coalition of Big Tech companies, and that has received funding from the Rockefeller Foundation. The CommonPass is already being implemented by all three major airline alliances.
Blair previously declared that vaccine passports are inevitable and that “It’s going to be a new world altogether.”
Leaked Letter: Global Transport Body Pushing Standardised Vaccine Passport on EU
IATA lobbying for “governments and authorities” to accept their vaccine passport framework
A leaked internal document reveals that the world’s largest air transport body is imploring the EU to adopt its vaccine passport system as standard across the entire 27 nation bloc, to ensure “evidence-based border restrictions” are implemented.
EURACTIV reports that the letter was sent to EU leaders by The International Air Transport Association (IATA), which has been pushing its vaccine statues based Travel Pass framework for some time now.
The letter, signed by IATA vice-president for Europe Rafael Schvartzman and addressed to European Council president Charles Michel, urges EU countries to “agree on the crucial role of secure digital solutions, such as the IATA Travel Pass”.
the letter argues that the travel pass will provide “governments and authorities – but also passengers and crew – with the needed confidence in each passengers’ health status”.
“This digital solution can verify the applicable legal framework at departure and arrival jurisdictions… ensuring that the traveller knows all the measures and conditions applicable,” the letter further reads.
It further suggests that countries need to agree to a “sane” approach to lifting travel restrictions, ensuring an “attainable balance between risk and people/economies’ financial sustainability.”
The leaked letter was obtained just hours before the EU is set to debate the vaccine passport system, with countries including Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal acting as the most aggressive proponents for a standardised vaccine passport system to kickstart tourism again.
Vaccine passports have previously been touted by the EU, with officials suggesting back in April that visa applicants would also be required to be vaccinated.
EU countries including Spain, Estonia, Iceland, Denmark, Poland, and Belgium have all indicated that they are open to some form of vaccine passports, as well as sharing the data across borders.
A slew of other countries have also now indicated that they will introduce vaccination passports, despite concerns that it will create a two-tear society of those who have and have not been vaccinated.
After months of denying there are any plans to introduce so called vaccine passports, the British government has also now admitted that not only is it considering introducing them for travel, but also merely to gain access to events spaces, and even shops and pubs.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is seemingly resistant to introducing the scheme, but is being hounded by proponents to adopt it, and has promised a review.
Former Prime Minister, and arch globalist, Tony Blair has renewed his push for Britain to implement a standardised global vaccine passport while the country has the G7 Presidency.
Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Blair urged “We should plan for an agreed ‘passport’ now. The arguments against it really don’t add up.”
“The world is moving in this direction,” Blair added, saying that he “can’t see another way of this.”
“With my team at the Institute for Global Change, I have looked at this from every angle and come to this conclusion: there is no prospect of a return to anything like normal without enabling people to show their Covid status, whether that means they have been vaccinated or recently tested,” Blair proclaimed.
Blair also revealed that he is working with the World Economic Forum on its CommonPass initiative, a COVID passport scheme being pushed by a coalition of Big Tech companies, and that has received funding from the Rockefeller Foundation. The CommonPass is already being implemented by all three major airline alliances.
Blair previously declared that vaccine passports are inevitable and that “It’s going to be a new world altogether.”
Sorry peeps but these minions planned this long before ze coVid 
....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting
....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting Who comes up with all these crazy ideas? I mean climate might be justified, we all should work towards a climate neutral world by using existing energy that is all around us no matter what. But it needs to be economical justified, we can't just kill whole industries just to fix our CO2 emissions. Especcially if large countries like China will follow their own strategies no matter what. And the race baiting is just insane, why are so many confrontations being created out of thin air? There is no need for all this.
The race and gender baiting is propogated in order to keep the general population split and arguing among themselves over trivial matters while the world falls around them.Things have moved on from the days the masses could be passively hypnotized by soaps,celebrities and ball games and TV was the numero uno medium of exchange.We got ze old interwebs now and total spectrum dominance of this medium is but a stones throw away once the hate,fear and outrage from the offended cry for something to be done about these terrible thangs.
They don't care about the environment or democratic process.The very ones yammering on about it are the ones who funded the polluters in the first place and will cripple nations and their citizens with borrowing for carbon offsets,taxes and expensive alternatives they will cash in on.Fortunes are made from carbon trading and unsustainable and in many cases ineffective renewables where taxpayers have to subsidize these companies profits while their investors boast of saving the earth flying their own private jets with only a single passenger on the manifest.
The world is ran by criminals and they have their own police forces and armies supplied to enforce their will by the corrupt political class who take their orders from them at invitation only conferences,mapping out your future in their image but the majority of human beings deserve this future because the majority of human beings live like brainwashed dumb animals and are more worried about what their virtue signalling degenerate friends think of their latest tweet
...its is the minority of decent humans I pity and hopefully there will be autonomous and fair systems and communities where toxic snowflakes and fake fragility is unwelcome but genuine tolerance and decent forms of democratic process and the fair and balanced rule of law without the burden of authoritarian regimes,regulation and legislation exist. (Who knows?) 
If the virus only affects the non-vaxxed people, why do the vaxxed people even care whether the others get the vaxx or not? It doesn't affect them in any way.
Before you show up and say, "We don't.", since the govs are forcing the vax-passports on everybody, and you do support this decision, it means you do care.
You get vaxxed, you won't get the virus. Cool. Now let the non-believers live in peace.
But Noooo All must get vaxxed 9999.99% must have it or no more normalcy. the Puppet master demands it.
Humanity speaking, you can't just sit there and watch people die from such nonsense belief. Before you show up and say, "We don't.", since the govs are forcing the vax-passports on everybody, and you do support this decision, it means you do care.
You get vaxxed, you won't get the virus. Cool. Now let the non-believers live in peace.
But Noooo All must get vaxxed 9999.99% must have it or no more normalcy. the Puppet master demands it.
Logically speaking, we can live without you getting vaccinated, but the government can't, your loved ones can't, the people who cares can't, therefore things can't back to normal as long as there are people who will get infected by the virus.
Also, virus mutates if was leave as it is like you want to. So it can affect a lot more other people and maybe the vaccinated ones when it became stronger.
Sorry peeps but these minions planned this long before ze coVid ....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting
....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting Who comes up with all these crazy ideas? I mean climate might be justified, we all should work towards a climate neutral world by using existing energy that is all around us no matter what. But it needs to be economical justified, we can't just kill whole industries just to fix our CO2 emissions. Especcially if large countries like China will follow their own strategies no matter what. And the race baiting is just insane, why are so many confrontations being created out of thin air? There is no need for all this.
Sorry peeps but these minions planned this long before ze coVid ....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting
....next up #climate .....after some more gender and race baiting They well may be counting massive head trauma from a motorcycle accident as a 'covid death'. They've done it before so there is no reason they would not do it again.
Yes they are counting it like that. Or at least they were. I posted the following link in another thread but it's worth re-posting for people to see. It is from the Irish Parliament:
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMcNamaraTD/posts/3840557722640402
Yup. It was highly obvious that this was the game from the first days of this scamdemic. In the initial days the families of those who died in hospice of cancer or whatever being labeled as a 'covid death' were livid and making a stink about it. Since then the corporate media machine has made great strides in methods of cutting them off completely. Very rapid evolution of the mechanisms for 'controlling the narrative' have been a real hallmark of the scamdemic.
Now that the so-called 'vaccine' is out they can bring the numbers down and play it off as Big Pharma 'saving the world' so they probably will or have stopped playing these games. Also they are drawing down the Cycle Threashold counts on the PCR tests so that they no longer receive 90% false positive.
Anyone paying attention to this stuff and having even a cursory understanding of the science can see plainly that by just twisting some dials in a central command center they can get any numbers and any curves they may like. 'They' being a good marker for someone who ultimately receives their paycheck form Gates (who is the largest or 2nd largest funder of the World Health Organization who got the ball rolling on this scamdemic. He (or entities working through him) also fund a great many media organizations, research laboratories, 'NGO's', 'Public/Private Partnerships', etc derive their funding as well. It's fairly easy to understand how 'they' get what they want.
They well may be counting massive head trauma from a motorcycle accident as a 'covid death'. They've done it before so there is no reason they would not do it again.
Yes they are counting it like that. Or at least they were. I posted the following link in another thread but it's worth re-posting for people to see. It is from the Irish Parliament:
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMcNamaraTD/posts/3840557722640402
I saw somewhere were you could download .pdf COVID vaccination certificates to print, along with a bunch of sample batch numbers with corresponding locations and signatures..
Looks VERY easy for random people to just make them up as of right now..
Looks VERY easy for random people to just make them up as of right now..
Yup, that's the idea. Make it very easy to have the 'problem' of 'cheating'. The desired goal is the solution of a bio-metric ID. Of course that will be the 'solution' to the 'problem'.
This stuff is painfully easy to make predictions about.
I saw somewhere were you could download .pdf COVID vaccination certificates to print, along with a bunch of sample batch numbers with corresponding locations and signatures..
Looks VERY easy for random people to just make them up as of right now..
Looks VERY easy for random people to just make them up as of right now..
If the virus only affects the non-vaxxed people, why do the vaxxed people even care whether the others get the vaxx or not? It doesn't affect them in any way.
Before you show up and say, "We don't.", since the govs are forcing the vax-passports on everybody, and you do support this decision, it means you do care.
You get vaxxed, you won't get the virus. Cool. Now let the non-believers live in peace.
But Noooo All must get vaxxed 9999.99% must have it or no more normalcy. the Puppet master demands it.
Before you show up and say, "We don't.", since the govs are forcing the vax-passports on everybody, and you do support this decision, it means you do care.
You get vaxxed, you won't get the virus. Cool. Now let the non-believers live in peace.
But Noooo All must get vaxxed 9999.99% must have it or no more normalcy. the Puppet master demands it.
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway.
We eat more than just nuts, we enjoy a healthy range of foods. We don't really care about vaccine infected plebs, as we have strong immune systems. It is the vaccinated sheeple that are in a panic, and they are even frightened of other members of their herd.
says the guy that lives in a van
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway.
We eat more than just nuts, we enjoy a healthy range of foods. We don't really care about vaccine infected plebs, as we have strong immune systems. It is the vaccinated sheeple that are in a panic, and they are even frightened of other members of their herd.
germanies law is not the ID2020 you think it is
try to learn to do research
try to learn to do research
Seriously. I've just had about enough with these baseless conspiracy theories. These kind of conspiracies have been going on for quite a long time now. Ever since the virus was still in china and more so when vaccines were developed. Instead of spreading awareness to make recoveries of economies easier and faster, people spread this kind of crap everywhere and fools those smart but dumb people who believe the earth is flat. If this is just for sharing what you've witnessed online at least state it. Otherwise, people might get the wrong idea and think that you are one of those people who spread useless conspiracies for the sake of having something to do.
Is this directed at me? Which part of my post is a conspiracy theory exactly? Whatever I quoted in my post is quoted directly from the source.
Let's see...
"EU Told to Back Vaccine Passports or Google May Do It Anyway"
You think these are fake news?
"Bill Gates Says World Won’t Return to Normal Until “A Lot of People” Take a Second COVID Vaccine"
Did he say that? Yes he did.
"Lockdowns are quietly improving cities around the world."
Did WEF tweet this? Yes they did.
"The Parliament passes ID2020 law for Germany"
Did the German parliament pass the ID2020 law? Yes they did.
Now point me out where the conspiracy is.
Seriously. I've just had about enough with these baseless conspiracy theories. These kind of conspiracies have been going on for quite a long time now. Ever since the virus was still in china and more so when vaccines were developed. Instead of spreading awareness to make recoveries of economies easier and faster, people spread this kind of crap everywhere and fools those smart but dumb people who believe the earth is flat. If this is just for sharing what you've witnessed online at least state it. Otherwise, people might get the wrong idea and think that you are one of those people who spread useless conspiracies for the sake of having something to do.
They post it because they just don't witnessed it online, they searched for it and believed in it, whole heartedly
Seriously. I've just had about enough with these baseless conspiracy theories. These kind of conspiracies have been going on for quite a long time now. Ever since the virus was still in china and more so when vaccines were developed. Instead of spreading awareness to make recoveries of economies easier and faster, people spread this kind of crap everywhere and fools those smart but dumb people who believe the earth is flat. If this is just for sharing what you've witnessed online at least state it. Otherwise, people might get the wrong idea and think that you are one of those people who spread useless conspiracies for the sake of having something to do.
The death rate of 0.27% looks very low in my opinion.
thats the median level where most of the studies were done on area's with low infectionthe actual number was 1.54% in area's where study picked dense population with a 54% infection rate
EG
0 infection 0 death (obviously)
54% infection 1.54% death
median = 0.27
but that median becomes meaningless when you actually look at the studies individually
you can fake a number lower by using more studies of low infection.
They well may be counting massive head trauma from a motorcycle accident as a 'covid death'. They've done it before so there is no reason they would not do it again. If they get more money for a 'covid death' then that's what they'll claim in any situation which they could get away with, and the memo that Dr. Jensen got shows that the state was encouraging people to try saying that follow-up on cause of death when it is 'covid' is 'unlikely'.
I've never seen such fraud in my life. Truly disgusting, and especially considering all of the people they've hurt (and cause the death of) with the whole scamdemic lock-downs, masks, poverty, hopelessness, etc.
The death rate of 0.27% looks very low in my opinion.
thats the median level where most of the studies were done on area's with low infectionthe actual number was 1.54% in area's where study picked dense population with a 54% infection rate
EG
0 infection 0 death (obviously)
54% infection 1.54% death
median = 0.27
but that median becomes meaningless when you actually look at the studies individually
you can fake a number lower by using more studies of low infection.
I don't know how you have the gall to say that when you are blatantly making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence. You're presenting isolated statistics that don't prove anything.
The statistics prove exactly what they set out to prove. If you don't agree with them, then present some evidence to the contrary.That I have not presented evidence? I have presented you with WHO articles, articles published in Nature, in the BMJ.
The article you have linked says COVID has a death rate of 0.27% on average, which works out as 270 per 100,000. The CDC puts the mortality rate for flu at 1.8 per 100,000, while the KFF puts it at 2.8. Using that paper to draw the conclusion that "mortality from COVID is not much different than mortality from the flu" is incorrect.A study of 135,000 patients: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext
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In-hospital mortality was higher in patients with COVID-19 than in patients with influenza ([16·9%] vs [5·8%])
The death rate of 0.27% looks very low in my opinion. Globally we have 115m COVID cases with roughly 2.55m deaths. So the death rate seems to be more around 1.6%. It is probably hard to attribute the deaths of COVID directly to the illness and not some other diseases. Another thing is that we already have a lot of elderly people vaccinated now, so the death rate shoulld be dropping in the near future. I would expect we will see more COVID cases in the next few months because the younger generations are not yet vaccinated and a dropping death rate.
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Blah blah blah blah, you can keep spouting all the crap you want out of your mouth, you're not the one who's going to say whether what I post proves or fails to prove. The people who read it see it with their own eyes.
You keep misrepresenting data by putting up biased statistics and I'm not going to waste my time discussing them point by point because as soon as I refute a biased argument you present me with another bullshit isolated statistic or another biased argument and this is going to be a never-ending story.
And yes, I have presented ample evidence and you have presented biased bullshit evidence that proves nothing.
I don’t trust any of those statistics from those who want us locked down..
Either way, I’m not goi g to hide in my house for the rest of my life or wear a mask for the rest of my life..
I don’t care if it kills a billion people.. Maybe it will kill me..
Sure diaper masks help “some”.. But if they really wanted to stop it they would be saying to use masks that seriously work..
It’s a scam..
Look at all this propaganda about wearing 2 and even 3 diaper masks at the same time!!
Insane!
A half face with p-100s is more comfortable and DOESNT FOG UP YOUR GLASSES!!
You know why diaper masks dog up your glasses?
BECAUSE YOU BREATHE AROUND THEM NOT THROUGH THEM..
It’s a scam and all the NPCs are fooled..
Either way, I’m not goi g to hide in my house for the rest of my life or wear a mask for the rest of my life..
I don’t care if it kills a billion people.. Maybe it will kill me..
Sure diaper masks help “some”.. But if they really wanted to stop it they would be saying to use masks that seriously work..
It’s a scam..
Look at all this propaganda about wearing 2 and even 3 diaper masks at the same time!!
Insane!
A half face with p-100s is more comfortable and DOESNT FOG UP YOUR GLASSES!!
You know why diaper masks dog up your glasses?
BECAUSE YOU BREATHE AROUND THEM NOT THROUGH THEM..
It’s a scam and all the NPCs are fooled..
Are you crying or something, cause it looks like you're.
There many different articles proving same point about how masks works and how it prevents not entirely 100% but it prevents spreads of covid.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
The above link shows, different studies about how mask became effective in this time of needs. It cited different research and studies on how works. It's just one website yet it provide different article for your own convenience, and you only just needs to read.
Wearing 2 to 3 masks? you really believed that?
I don't know how you have the gall to say that when you are blatantly making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence. You're presenting isolated statistics that don't prove anything.
The statistics prove exactly what they set out to prove. If you don't agree with them, then present some evidence to the contrary.That I have not presented evidence? I have presented you with WHO articles, articles published in Nature, in the BMJ.
The article you have linked says COVID has a death rate of 0.27% on average, which works out as 270 per 100,000. The CDC puts the mortality rate for flu at 1.8 per 100,000, while the KFF puts it at 2.8. Using that paper to draw the conclusion that "mortality from COVID is not much different than mortality from the flu" is incorrect.A study of 135,000 patients: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext
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In-hospital mortality was higher in patients with COVID-19 than in patients with influenza ([16·9%] vs [5·8%])
So you mean that those 6% (or 9%) were older than 60 in 99,9% of the cases and older than 80 also in the vast majority of cases. So those are the healthy persons dying from COVID. Healthy 80-something year-olds.
Please stop just making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence.I don't know how you have the gall to say that when you are blatantly making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence. You're presenting isolated statistics that don't prove anything.
That I have not presented evidence? I have presented you with WHO articles, articles published in Nature, in the BMJ. You are the one who only attends to isolated data so that they reinforce what you previously want them to demonstrate.
US stats:
UK stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithnounderlyingconditionsbyageband
Attention drawn to table 6a.
Of 542 deaths in age range 0-44, 101 (18.6%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 457 deaths in age range 45-49, 91 (19.9%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 847 deaths in age range 50-54, 123 (14.5%) had no underlying health conditions.
Yes, older people and those with comorbidities have a higher risk of death from COVID (and I never claimed otherwise), but young people are dying, healthy people are dying, and young healthy people are dying.
Among decedents aged <65 years, 83.1% had one or more underlying medical conditions.
17% of those who died aged under 65 had no underlying health conditions.UK stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithnounderlyingconditionsbyageband
Attention drawn to table 6a.
Of 542 deaths in age range 0-44, 101 (18.6%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 457 deaths in age range 45-49, 91 (19.9%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 847 deaths in age range 50-54, 123 (14.5%) had no underlying health conditions.
Yes, older people and those with comorbidities have a higher risk of death from COVID (and I never claimed otherwise), but young people are dying, healthy people are dying, and young healthy people are dying.
And you keep going on and on with the bullshit of spouting isolated statistics here to supposedly prove the things you'd like to be true. Well, they aren't. That is, of the people who have less than a 1% chance of dying, of those 15 to 20% supposedly have no underlying health conditions.
So statistically, that's fucking shit close to 0 no matter how you look at it.
I don’t trust any of those statistics from those who want us locked down..
For me this is not a matter of trust. Lies dammed lies and statistics. The links he is putting are isolated statistics that don't mean anything.
We've had this argument quite a lot over the last year.
My answer has always been: don't look at reason for death, look at number of deaths from any reason.
My answer has always been: don't look at reason for death, look at number of deaths from any reason.
You haven't read the article published in the World Health Organisation that I've put before. I'll put it again:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
It basically says that mortality from COVID is not much different than mortality from the flu.
That peak is because anyone who died was labeled as the cause of death: "COVID". There was a video around of the Irish parliament where an MP was questioning someone from Health and one by one he picked apart how alleged COVID deaths were labeled. Basically if you are 95 years old, have terminal cancer, die and test positive for COVID they put the cause of death as COVID.
Edit: It's taken me some time to find it, but I've finally found it. Otherwise some people were going to say that I was making this up:
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMcNamaraTD/posts/3840557722640402
This is his Facebook page the MPs Facebook page.
I don’t trust any of those statistics from those who want us locked down..
Either way, I’m not goi g to hide in my house for the rest of my life or wear a mask for the rest of my life..
I don’t care if it kills a billion people.. Maybe it will kill me..
Sure diaper masks help “some”.. But if they really wanted to stop it they would be saying to use masks that seriously work..
It’s a scam..
Look at all this propaganda about wearing 2 and even 3 diaper masks at the same time!!
Insane!
A half face with p-100s is more comfortable and DOESNT FOG UP YOUR GLASSES!!
You know why diaper masks dog up your glasses?
BECAUSE YOU BREATHE AROUND THEM NOT THROUGH THEM..
It’s a scam and all the NPCs are fooled..
Either way, I’m not goi g to hide in my house for the rest of my life or wear a mask for the rest of my life..
I don’t care if it kills a billion people.. Maybe it will kill me..
Sure diaper masks help “some”.. But if they really wanted to stop it they would be saying to use masks that seriously work..
It’s a scam..
Look at all this propaganda about wearing 2 and even 3 diaper masks at the same time!!
Insane!
A half face with p-100s is more comfortable and DOESNT FOG UP YOUR GLASSES!!
You know why diaper masks dog up your glasses?
BECAUSE YOU BREATHE AROUND THEM NOT THROUGH THEM..
It’s a scam and all the NPCs are fooled..
The truth is that COVID mortality is no much different than flu mortality
We've had this argument quite a lot over the last year.
My answer has always been: don't look at reason for death, look at number of deaths from any reason.
Something has been killing huge numbers of people over the last year, way more than normal... and this just happens to coincide with the Covid pandemic. There hasn't been a flu-or-anything-else pandemic.
Look, for example, at the UK in April 2020, peak of the first wave of Covid... deaths more than 100% above the 2015-2019 average. The pattern is stark, the evidence conclusive.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
So you mean that those 6% (or 9%) were older than 60 in 99,9% of the cases and older than 80 also in the vast majority of cases. So those are the healthy persons dying from COVID. Healthy 80-something year-olds.
Please stop just making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence.US stats:
Among decedents aged <65 years, 83.1% had one or more underlying medical conditions.
17% of those who died aged under 65 had no underlying health conditions.UK stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithnounderlyingconditionsbyageband
Attention drawn to table 6a.
Of 542 deaths in age range 0-44, 101 (18.6%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 457 deaths in age range 45-49, 91 (19.9%) had no underlying health conditions.
Of 847 deaths in age range 50-54, 123 (14.5%) had no underlying health conditions.
Yes, older people and those with comorbidities have a higher risk of death from COVID (and I never claimed otherwise), but young people are dying, healthy people are dying, and young healthy people are dying.
No they aren't. The probability of a healthy person dying from COVID is so low as to be statistically insignificant.
US stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities6% of deaths had no underlying health conditions.
UK stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithandwithoutpreexistingconditions
8.9% of deaths had no underlying health conditions.
Where are the age groups in those percentages? Saying that 6% of deaths (or 9%, it doesn't matter) has no underlying health conditions and not taking into account the age is, simply, distorting the truth:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinmay2020
So you mean that those 6% (or 9%) were older than 60 in 99,9% of the cases and older than 80 also in the vast majority of cases. So those are the healthy persons dying from COVID. Healthy 80-something year-olds. The truth is that COVID mortality is no much different than flu mortality, here is another link for you:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
To your knowledge: according to your parameters, "healthy" people also die of the flu. And it had never occurred to anyone to curtail freedoms and impose obligations everywhere because of it.
No they aren't. The probability of a healthy person dying from COVID is so low as to be statistically insignificant.
US stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities6% of deaths had no underlying health conditions.
UK stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithandwithoutpreexistingconditions
8.9% of deaths had no underlying health conditions.
I am still waiting for your reply from when I cited a study of 10 million people done in Wuhan, China. Is a study of 10 million people in the place where the epidemic originated scientific enough for you? Here I quote it back to you, I've been waiting almost two months for a response:
Because the study you quoted proves my point. Jet Cash said "Natural immunity has 100% success". I said "COVID reinfections do happen". You then linked a study which shows reinfections happening. Not sure what I'm supposed to respond to. It's a small number, yes, but reinfections do happen.
You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them
Healthy != immortal. Healthy people are dying from COVID.No they aren't. The probability of a healthy person dying from COVID is so low as to be statistically insignificant. Later you even say yourself:
Small individual samples are not indicative of the wider situation.
You saying that healthy people are dying from COVID sounds to me the same as Jet Cash saying that people are dying everywhere in the short term from getting the vaccine. In reality, you are not so different, even if the discourse you defend is the opposite.
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
I don't blindly trust anyone. I read the trials. This is the exact opposite. People on here who say "Listen to what this expert says" - that is asking you to blindly trust the opinion of one person. Reading a trial with millions of participants is not blindly trusting anything. It is verifying.I am still waiting for your reply from when I cited a study of 10 million people done in Wuhan, China. Is a study of 10 million people in the place where the epidemic originated scientific enough for you? Here I quote it back to you, I've been waiting almost two months for a response:
This is the second time I have seen you say this and it is simply not true. COVID reinfection happens.
In a study about 10 million residents in Wuhan, China, published in Nature, only 0.3% were reinfected.
"Of the 34,424 participants with a history of COVID-19, 107 tested positive again, giving a repositive rate of 0.310%" [..] "Results of virus culturing and contract tracing found no evidence that repositive cases in recovered COVID-19 patients were infectious, which is consistent with evidence from other sources."
Source: Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China.
Reinfection doesn't seem so dangerous to me according to this source.
anyway. to summarise the topic
there will be no ID2020
you can go shopping and move around without any 'passport'
if you want to go to any larch audience event like watching sports or music concerts
you have 3 options
1. not currently have covid
2. already had covid and recovered
3. have had vaccine
its not a single option. there is no force. no military will handcuff or shoot you. no ones going to swat your house.
in short
calm the hell down.
there will be no ID2020
you can go shopping and move around without any 'passport'
if you want to go to any larch audience event like watching sports or music concerts
you have 3 options
1. not currently have covid
2. already had covid and recovered
3. have had vaccine
its not a single option. there is no force. no military will handcuff or shoot you. no ones going to swat your house.
in short
calm the hell down.
its like tvbcof just learned the word plasmid 2 week ago and is on a spree of spamming the word to make it seem like he knows what it is
if he knew the differences. and new about things like the pores of the nucleus cell wall.
also also learned about the differences in length of the vaccines code vs DNA code
if he could do the research that puts all that detail together
he would then know that the vaccine DNA doesnt have the function codes that allow it to change dna nor replicate.
and finally he would stop flip flopping spending weeks arguing that he never claimed the vaccines change dna but then today flop back to his narrative insinuating it does
tvbcof please DO YOUR RESEARCH
recognise the vaccine code does not contain the ability to change DNA. doesnt have the length to replace dna. . is not even a full length dna. and at the processes between the cell entry to the nucleus the strands break down to fit through the nucleus pores
now please go learn
the vaccine is not the lengthy processes of crispr bundled up in a vaccine capsid
if he knew the differences. and new about things like the pores of the nucleus cell wall.
also also learned about the differences in length of the vaccines code vs DNA code
if he could do the research that puts all that detail together
he would then know that the vaccine DNA doesnt have the function codes that allow it to change dna nor replicate.
and finally he would stop flip flopping spending weeks arguing that he never claimed the vaccines change dna but then today flop back to his narrative insinuating it does
tvbcof please DO YOUR RESEARCH
recognise the vaccine code does not contain the ability to change DNA. doesnt have the length to replace dna. . is not even a full length dna. and at the processes between the cell entry to the nucleus the strands break down to fit through the nucleus pores
now please go learn
the vaccine is not the lengthy processes of crispr bundled up in a vaccine capsid
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
The vaccine does not change your DNA. There is no way it even could change your DNA without rewriting everything we know about cell biology.
Let's forget for a moment that there is no operational difference between a designer gene spliced into the victim's chromosomal DNA or transcribing off a nuclear plasmid and both could legitimately be described as "changing your DNA"...
One of the arguments the mRNA folks (BioNTech, Moderna) use for their technology is that, compared to the DNA technology (AstraZeneca, J&J, etc), their mRNA technology reduces the chances of the plasmidal DNA inserts into the cell nucleus accidentally integrating with the chromosomal DNA. (Students of science will understand that such 'accidents' are pretty much they way we humans got here in our current form...for better or worse.)
So, you either have to claim that the mRNA folks are making up tall tales in order to sell their wares, or that the possibility exists for genuine chromosomal integration happening with the DNA vaccines in at least some accidental circumstances. It's pretty much one or the other, and if it's the former, it is worth asking what else the mRNA folks might be lying about in order to make sales.
In my country, you can refuse to be vaccinated, but you have to report that you refuse to be vaccinated to the relevant parties. They will register your name and later your name will be recorded. And then when you enter an area, related parties can refuse you to enter or not. So many people are forced to want to be vaccinated, so they can go anywhere.
What country is that? Sounds like a nazi regime. I thought having a mask on was enough to visit places...
In my country, you can refuse to be vaccinated, but you have to report that you refuse to be vaccinated to the relevant parties. They will register your name and later your name will be recorded. And then when you enter an area, related parties can refuse you to enter or not. So many people are forced to want to be vaccinated, so they can go anywhere.
You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them
Healthy != immortal. Healthy people are dying from COVID.What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
I don't blindly trust anyone. I read the trials. This is the exact opposite. People on here who say "Listen to what this expert says" - that is asking you to blindly trust the opinion of one person. Reading a trial with millions of participants is not blindly trusting anything. It is verifying.Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!
It absolutely does not.I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid..
And I've told the families of healthy people in their 20s and 30s over the phone that their loved one is going to die and they are not allowed to visit. Small individual samples are not indicative of the wider situation.And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
The vaccine does not change your DNA. There is no way it even could change your DNA without rewriting everything we know about cell biology.If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..
Nothing in life is ever going to be 100%, vaccines included, so every unvaccinated person does indeed pose a risk.Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!
That is the whole point. A simple face mask is not designed to protect the wearer, but to protect others. Only vulnerable people should get the vaccine..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
But if you are young and healthy and catch Covid, and only have mild symptoms, you still spread the virus around, and potentially infect vulnerable people. If you take the vaccine you protect others.
stupid masks.. They don’t do shit!! You don’t even really breathe THROUGH them..
Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!
Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!
Same with this I suppose. The masks aren't perfect, but their main purpose is to stop the virus getting out through the mask to other people, rather than to stop it getting in. Masks are more about protecting others than about protecting yourself. Yes, I agree they're by no means 100% effective - but any protection, even partial, is better than none.
if you get vaccinated, you don't have to worry about me getting vaccinated or not. Anti-vaxxers is a word you have pulled out of your sleeve to disqualify without arguments. I am pro-vaccine, but I am against being forced to take this one.
You're right, I shouldn't group together everyone who doesn't want the vaccine. But regarding the point that 'if you get vaccinated, you don't have to worry about me getting vaccinated'... yes, I personally don't have to worry, but you can still infect others who haven't been vaccinated.
no politician has wanted to impose quarantines and lockdowns only on the elderly because they knew they had a lot of votes to lose.
Finally, I totally agree with this. Almost all of the blame for the current situation lies with politicians not wanting to be unpopular. If every government around the world had implemented immediate 2-week quarantining of people entering the country, and had done so as soon as it became apparent that China had a problem in January 2020... then the result would have been no pandemic, no lockdowns within countries, no masks, etc. But governments aren't like that. They don't take action to prevent a problem, instead they wait until something becomes a problem, wait a bit longer until it becomes a really big problem, then finally, much too late, decide to try to do something about it.
seems there are many covid deniers in this topic
what these deniers seem to keep spouting is that they dont realise basic facts.
they have binary brains thinking covid has 2 options
no smell vs death
they dont understand that there actually is a scale even for those not hospitalised
its like
loss of tastes/smell
cough
loss of appetite
fever/chills
fatigue
insomnia
breathlessness
abdominal pains
etc
where symptoms not only scale from 0-10
but also where the length of symptoms go from 1day-12 weeks
yep even people that dont need hospital care get #long covid'
30% of those getting the top 6 symptoms have them in varying amounts for months
there is no 65yo cut off line of the binary ignorance of fine or dead
there is actually a scale of illness going from such minor issues they dont notice. to issues that are just annoying but concerning. to issues that interrupt peoples normal day (tired but cant sleep)
to issues where they have to just rest up in bed because they just so warn out day and night
and thats before even getting to the severity of needing hospitalisation
an yes im calling BS to the guy saying he had tons of friends with only loss of taste/smell or no symptoms
and thats because most people wont waste time in their day getting tested for no reason.
they would have by just normal common sense and psychology only want to take time out of their day to book a test and travel to get a test if they are concerned about their symptoms because their symptoms are not only noticeable. but concerning enough to make them want to know if its covid or not
so if the guy above is thinking loads of his co-horts were not worried/concerned/suffering at all.. then they would not have got tested.
i cant see any common sense where people would bother getting tested just for giggles and boredom
..
but the funny part is that the guy is also a mask denier
even though surgical masks are worn by.. surgeons..
yep they are affective.
i would say home proper N95 are the better ones to wear. but not as cheap. surgical masks are cheaper. and fabric home made coverings are cheaper.
its also a scale of protection from
95% N95
80% surgical masks
40% face covering
where a combination of surgical and face covering is more than 80%
but yea the mask denier is still binary mindset thinking only in yes or no option of does it work. not accepting that the real world is actually not binary.
what these deniers seem to keep spouting is that they dont realise basic facts.
they have binary brains thinking covid has 2 options
no smell vs death
they dont understand that there actually is a scale even for those not hospitalised
its like
loss of tastes/smell
cough
loss of appetite
fever/chills
fatigue
insomnia
breathlessness
abdominal pains
etc
where symptoms not only scale from 0-10
but also where the length of symptoms go from 1day-12 weeks
yep even people that dont need hospital care get #long covid'
30% of those getting the top 6 symptoms have them in varying amounts for months
there is no 65yo cut off line of the binary ignorance of fine or dead
there is actually a scale of illness going from such minor issues they dont notice. to issues that are just annoying but concerning. to issues that interrupt peoples normal day (tired but cant sleep)
to issues where they have to just rest up in bed because they just so warn out day and night
and thats before even getting to the severity of needing hospitalisation
an yes im calling BS to the guy saying he had tons of friends with only loss of taste/smell or no symptoms
and thats because most people wont waste time in their day getting tested for no reason.
they would have by just normal common sense and psychology only want to take time out of their day to book a test and travel to get a test if they are concerned about their symptoms because their symptoms are not only noticeable. but concerning enough to make them want to know if its covid or not
so if the guy above is thinking loads of his co-horts were not worried/concerned/suffering at all.. then they would not have got tested.
i cant see any common sense where people would bother getting tested just for giggles and boredom
..
but the funny part is that the guy is also a mask denier
even though surgical masks are worn by.. surgeons..
yep they are affective.
i would say home proper N95 are the better ones to wear. but not as cheap. surgical masks are cheaper. and fabric home made coverings are cheaper.
its also a scale of protection from
95% N95
80% surgical masks
40% face covering
where a combination of surgical and face covering is more than 80%
but yea the mask denier is still binary mindset thinking only in yes or no option of does it work. not accepting that the real world is actually not binary.
compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.
It is to an extent about young and old, though. If you're young and healthy then chances are you won't suffer serious effects... but that's not really the point. If you're young and healthy and coughing Covid onto everyone, chances are you'll infect someone who is more vulnerable.
Precisely because it is a question of young and old, we are not going to think that people over 80 will live forever.
Restrictive measures should have been taken with the elderly and people with risk factors, but no politician has wanted to impose quarantines and lockdowns only on the elderly because they knew they had a lot of votes to lose.
For the young and healthy, vaccination isn't so much about protecting the individual as it is about protecting the more vulnerable people in society. Same with face masks, social distancing, etc.
Anti-vaxxers can kill other people by refusing to take the vaccine.
Anti-vaxxers can kill other people by refusing to take the vaccine.
You don't know what current vaccines do. For people who get vaccinated they prevent them from get serious symptoms, so if you get vaccinated, you don't have to worry about me getting vaccinated or not. Anti-vaxxers is a word you have pulled out of your sleeve to disqualify without arguments. I am pro-vaccine, but I am against being forced to take this one.
It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest.
I think it's more about morality and empathy. The selfish, and those who want to protect everyone.
Only vulnerable people should get the vaccine..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
What if I’ve already had Covid? You still are going to force me to get a vaccine so I can travel?
Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!
I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid.. I don’t think even one had a fever or any even slightly severe cold/flu symptoms..
They most just say it was weird loosing their taste and smell for a little while..
MANY I know tested positive HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL!!
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
Fuck that..
If your scared of Covid get the vaccine..
If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..
Y’all are ridiculous thinking everyone in the world needs the vaccine..
It’s insane..
Oh..
And if you are one of those types wearing 2 masks, you are an NPC and have NO IDEA how masks work..
I have real masks for everything from silica dust to chemical/biological weapon first response..
I know masks..
These face panties are a JOKE!!!
If a company put you in even just a dusty environment it would be ILLEGAL to wear one of these stupid masks.. They don’t do shit!! You don’t even really breathe THROUGH them..
Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!
Wear as many as you want, they aren’t even filters of any type..
Dust, smoke, gasses, biologicals, chemicals, they don’t do shit to protect you..
If they really gave a shit they would be recommending p-100 masks.. They are even cheap!!
A good p100 mask only costs about the same as a pack of these face diapers, and then filters to change are only like $5! Maybe change em once a week (depending on environment)..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..
What if I’ve already had Covid? You still are going to force me to get a vaccine so I can travel?
Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!
I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid.. I don’t think even one had a fever or any even slightly severe cold/flu symptoms..
They most just say it was weird loosing their taste and smell for a little while..
MANY I know tested positive HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL!!
And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
Fuck that..
If your scared of Covid get the vaccine..
If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..
Y’all are ridiculous thinking everyone in the world needs the vaccine..
It’s insane..
Oh..
And if you are one of those types wearing 2 masks, you are an NPC and have NO IDEA how masks work..
I have real masks for everything from silica dust to chemical/biological weapon first response..
I know masks..
These face panties are a JOKE!!!
If a company put you in even just a dusty environment it would be ILLEGAL to wear one of these stupid masks.. They don’t do shit!! You don’t even really breathe THROUGH them..
Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!
Wear as many as you want, they aren’t even filters of any type..
Dust, smoke, gasses, biologicals, chemicals, they don’t do shit to protect you..
If they really gave a shit they would be recommending p-100 masks.. They are even cheap!!
A good p100 mask only costs about the same as a pack of these face diapers, and then filters to change are only like $5! Maybe change em once a week (depending on environment)..
compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.
It is to an extent about young and old, though. If you're young and healthy then chances are you won't suffer serious effects... but that's not really the point. If you're young and healthy and coughing Covid onto everyone, chances are you'll infect someone who is more vulnerable.
For the young and healthy, vaccination isn't so much about protecting the individual as it is about protecting the more vulnerable people in society. Same with face masks, social distancing, etc.
Anti-vaxxers can kill other people by refusing to take the vaccine.
It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest.
I think it's more about morality and empathy. The selfish, and those who want to protect everyone.
It was their idea since the beginning. To make everyone take vaccine and keep the track about those who doesnt. It will make even bigger gap between poor and rich ones. Rich ones if they take vaccine they can travel and do whatever they want while the poor countries that cant make to get vaccinated are going to be isolated from the rest of the world.
To be honest, I don't know where you got that idea mixing vaccines and the rich/poor gap but it makes no sense. It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest. We have seen restrictions imposed on individual freedoms, de facto compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.
It was their idea since the beginning. To make everyone take vaccine and keep the track about those who doesnt. It will make even bigger gap between poor and rich ones. Rich ones if they take vaccine they can travel and do whatever they want while the poor countries that cant make to get vaccinated are going to be isolated from the rest of the world. The passport is gonna have those information if you are vaccinated or not so there is no way you can cross the border if you didnt take vaccine. So in example, Germany wont let another people to enter if they didnt took their vaccine, even though you take in example russian or chinese vaccine. So the new cold war is about to begin and terror across the poor countries. It is sad that apple and google (you can read this as microsoft) are going to hurry up in realization their sick ideas. Just hope there is going to be enough people that are smart to stop them in all these crimes against humanity.
Nick Szabo's response to WEF:
https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1365712266671259650
I think Nick is a conspiracy theorist that doesn't know jack shit.
https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1365712266671259650
I think Nick is a conspiracy theorist that doesn't know jack shit.
World Economic Forum dropped another bomb.
Look at these empty streets and roads. Isn't that great?
Soon homes will be empty too.
Thanks WEF & Klaus Schwab for making the world a better place for everybody.
Isn't that the same on what you've posted a while ago. so its not another bomb they've dropped.
Anyway, just get vaccinated and your problems will go away. Easily.
World Economic Forum dropped another bomb.
Look at these empty streets and roads. Isn't that great?
Soon homes will be empty too.
Thanks WEF & Klaus Schwab for making the world a better place for everybody.
So lockdown still for those who chose to not get vaccinated. Yeep the world is not going to go back to its normal state that even when you are as healthy as a newborn, you will get a record on their system. I always thought this kind of idea is going to come from China. It will still come from the pharms owned by countries who had been worse than the savage conquistadors.
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
"Trust, don't verify"
That's our motto now. Why do you think Bill Gates or any other big-pharma company would do something to harm people?
Did they ever do this? No, of course not.
Pfizer for example is as innocent as a newborn baby.
Close your eyes and believe Poker Player. Everything will be great.
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.
It's not as simple as that.
You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them, without believing in a world conspiracy or that people will die everywhere for taking them, as I have seen stated in this forum.
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
Healthy person are the people who are in need to take the vaccination, as they has (we has) the lower risks for complications and such.
Doubting the vaccine starts when you simply look at the effects and effects itself without citing the articles, statements of the pharmaceuticals wherein they stated the possible risks embedded in taking the vaccine, especially for people who are old and who are sick.
P.S. Do not easily trust people who states whatever they say, without you, yourself taking a look at the researches, lab reports for you to conclude what you want to believe.
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.
It's not as simple as that.
You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them, without believing in a world conspiracy or that people will die everywhere for taking them, as I have seen stated in this forum.
What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.
seems we have a conspiracy nut..
ok
well some facts
for decades government has used the social security number as both a government id and also a tax number and a social benefits number.
what you dont realise is that when it comes to healthcare. EU healthcare does not use social security number. people have a medical patient number.
vaccines, doctors appointments, are on a completely different system to social security numbers
they dont ask for social security numbers
passport numbers are another separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers
driving licence numbers are a separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers
to create a united database of a single ID whereby all government info and all health info are linked would take years.
its not something that is going to be implemented to be used by 'vaccine passport" or the normalisation plan of may-august 2021
and from the looks of it the government are not even going to implement it.
there is no biometric government ID+healthcare 'passport' that will link everything together and allow freedom of access to flights by 2021. and it appears there wont ever be.
in short people can get on a plane now and fly. they can get on a plane in a few months and fly.
the difference is that if you want to avoid a 'quarantine hotel' in a few months. you have to show that you are clear of the virus. this is in 3 DIFFERENT ways
1. covid negative test before and after departure
2. show the vaccine certificate
3. show you recovered from covid
the vaccine certificate is not some government ID. its just a piece of paper you get after a vaccine.. its basically a receipt. it has no leather cover. no photo. no address. it doesnt do anything but show you had a vaccine
but you dont need that. you can use other ways to show that you are able to fly healthily without affecting other passengers. (as noted 1.3)
in previous years i flew alot.
last year i didnt. not due to any government fears. but due to not wanting to be in a metal cylinder with hundreds of other people sharing their breath for multiple hours.
when i get vaccinated and im sure the other passengers are vaccinated too. ill be happy to fly again without the risk of a cesspit of covid breathe surrounding me.
if google or microsoft or apple or IBM have a database that requests people to record their vaccine receipt. and passport number is in no way the same things as ID2020 conspiracy
having a system that has linked your plane ticket to your vaccine does not mean they know your whole medical record or that you had a few speeding tickets or that you owe some tax
take your tin foil hat off,
just admit. you fear getting on a plane because of covid. and not because of your delusions of government implementing things that are not even implemented.
teach yourself the reality of why you dont want to get on a plane right now. because its not id2020 because we are in 2021 and there is no government ID and there wont be in 2021
ok
well some facts
for decades government has used the social security number as both a government id and also a tax number and a social benefits number.
what you dont realise is that when it comes to healthcare. EU healthcare does not use social security number. people have a medical patient number.
vaccines, doctors appointments, are on a completely different system to social security numbers
they dont ask for social security numbers
passport numbers are another separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers
driving licence numbers are a separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers
to create a united database of a single ID whereby all government info and all health info are linked would take years.
its not something that is going to be implemented to be used by 'vaccine passport" or the normalisation plan of may-august 2021
and from the looks of it the government are not even going to implement it.
there is no biometric government ID+healthcare 'passport' that will link everything together and allow freedom of access to flights by 2021. and it appears there wont ever be.
in short people can get on a plane now and fly. they can get on a plane in a few months and fly.
the difference is that if you want to avoid a 'quarantine hotel' in a few months. you have to show that you are clear of the virus. this is in 3 DIFFERENT ways
1. covid negative test before and after departure
2. show the vaccine certificate
3. show you recovered from covid
the vaccine certificate is not some government ID. its just a piece of paper you get after a vaccine.. its basically a receipt. it has no leather cover. no photo. no address. it doesnt do anything but show you had a vaccine
but you dont need that. you can use other ways to show that you are able to fly healthily without affecting other passengers. (as noted 1.3)
in previous years i flew alot.
last year i didnt. not due to any government fears. but due to not wanting to be in a metal cylinder with hundreds of other people sharing their breath for multiple hours.
when i get vaccinated and im sure the other passengers are vaccinated too. ill be happy to fly again without the risk of a cesspit of covid breathe surrounding me.
if google or microsoft or apple or IBM have a database that requests people to record their vaccine receipt. and passport number is in no way the same things as ID2020 conspiracy
having a system that has linked your plane ticket to your vaccine does not mean they know your whole medical record or that you had a few speeding tickets or that you owe some tax
take your tin foil hat off,
just admit. you fear getting on a plane because of covid. and not because of your delusions of government implementing things that are not even implemented.
teach yourself the reality of why you dont want to get on a plane right now. because its not id2020 because we are in 2021 and there is no government ID and there wont be in 2021
The Parliament passes ID2020 law for Germany
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The Bundestag has taken a decisive step in the implementation of the ID2020 project by Microsoft, Accenture and Rockefeller Foundation by making the tax identification number the uniform citizen number for all authorities. The path to becoming a transparent citizen is thus mapped out.
The tax identification number is to become a comprehensive citizen number, which enables the authorities to access already existing personal data at another authority. This has the red-black coalition in parliament against the opposition and united resistance against all concerns from privacy advocates decided . The Federal Council still has to give its approval before the law, which many believe is unconstitutional, can come into force.
The Federal Constitutional Court has ruled in the past that it is contrary to the fundamental right to privacy if the state creates a database in which all data on a person are gathered. Because this enables a comprehensive personality profile that goes far beyond the knowledge required for the individual official application.
...
These are amazing developments. Who wouldn't want a free that will come with you where ever you go? You cannot forget your ID at home even if you wanted to now. Brilliant.
Germany stepped up her game once again. (yep, AGAIN) Leading us to our salvation. (We couldn't get enough of it last time.)
ID2020 is really amazing. You can learn more about it here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/id2020org-get-your-digital-id-and-be-a-world-citizen-5320443
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.
Well according to
https://theconversation.com/why-you-shouldnt-wrap-your-food-in-aluminium-foil-before-cooking-it-57220
So they might as well make underwear out of it.
Just remember, 1000's of scientists, 1000s of research labs are all wrong, but the person who does your hair heard from her friend who failed out of school that it can kill you.
I guess since I have no hair I don't get to hear that info.
That's it, a conspiracy against bald people not getting the info they need.
-Dave
I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.
you can still go to supermarkets no matter what
stop making up idiot conspiracies.
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about nano robots
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about monkey/fetus tissue
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about vaccine more deadly than the disease
just accept your losses and start dealing with facts. stop creating more lies. its never going to win you anything
stop making up idiot conspiracies.
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about nano robots
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about monkey/fetus tissue
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about vaccine more deadly than the disease
just accept your losses and start dealing with facts. stop creating more lies. its never going to win you anything
“We have all agreed that we need vaccine certificates,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters after the talks on Thursday. “In the future, it will certainly be good to have such a certificate but that will not mean that only those who have such a passport will be able to travel; about that, no political decisions have been made yet.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-25/eu-told-to-back-vaccine-passports-or-google-will-do-them-anyway
Since they are making these new passports, I think it is safe to assume this current situation won't go away till everybody gets vaxxed. Which means at least a decade.
Let's see how that materializes. In principle, forcing vaccination is against the rights of the patient and international treaties on the subject. Another thing is that they do not force you to be vaccinated but do not allow you to be vaccinated:
-Travel.
-Go to the gym.
-To restaurants.
-To the supermarket, etc.
Which in practice means that if you don't get vaccinated you will only be allowed to stay at home and if you are lucky to go for a walk.
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European Union leaders inched toward establishing bloc-wide vaccine certificates to enable countries to reopen to travel as Commission President Ursula von der Leyen warned that unless they hurry Apple Inc. and Google will step into the vacuum.
During a five-hour video call, the EU’s 27 leaders focused on how to haul their nations back to a form of normalcy after a pandemic that’s claimed more than 500,000 lives and shut down large parts of their economies. While there was broad support for certificates of some sort, leaders didn’t agree on the type of privileges they would grant.
“We have all agreed that we need vaccine certificates,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters after the talks on Thursday. “In the future, it will certainly be good to have such a certificate but that will not mean that only those who have such a passport will be able to travel; about that, no political decisions have been made yet.”
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“It is important to have a European solution because otherwise others will go into this vacuum,” she said at a press briefing. “Google and Apple are already offering solutions to the World Health Organization. And this is sensitive information so we want to be very clear here that we offer a European solution.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-25/eu-told-to-back-vaccine-passports-or-google-will-do-them-anywayDuring a five-hour video call, the EU’s 27 leaders focused on how to haul their nations back to a form of normalcy after a pandemic that’s claimed more than 500,000 lives and shut down large parts of their economies. While there was broad support for certificates of some sort, leaders didn’t agree on the type of privileges they would grant.
“We have all agreed that we need vaccine certificates,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters after the talks on Thursday. “In the future, it will certainly be good to have such a certificate but that will not mean that only those who have such a passport will be able to travel; about that, no political decisions have been made yet.”
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“It is important to have a European solution because otherwise others will go into this vacuum,” she said at a press briefing. “Google and Apple are already offering solutions to the World Health Organization. And this is sensitive information so we want to be very clear here that we offer a European solution.”
Since they are making these new passports, I think it is safe to assume this current situation won't go away till everybody gets vaxxed. Which means at least a decade.
The Parliament passes ID2020 law for Germany
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The Bundestag has taken a decisive step in the implementation of the ID2020 project by Microsoft, Accenture and Rockefeller Foundation by making the tax identification number the uniform citizen number for all authorities. The path to becoming a transparent citizen is thus mapped out.
The tax identification number is to become a comprehensive citizen number, which enables the authorities to access already existing personal data at another authority. This has the red-black coalition in parliament against the opposition and united resistance against all concerns from privacy advocates decided . The Federal Council still has to give its approval before the law, which many believe is unconstitutional, can come into force.
The Federal Constitutional Court has ruled in the past that it is contrary to the fundamental right to privacy if the state creates a database in which all data on a person are gathered. Because this enables a comprehensive personality profile that goes far beyond the knowledge required for the individual official application.
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