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legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
June 27, 2013, 03:20:54 AM
#6
I've said it once and will repeat: there's no fairer way to deal with a bank failure than a bail-in:

  • Current bank owners (shareholders) should lose everything.
  • Creditors should lose the necessary amount to save the bank, starting by those who accepted more risks (like bondholders) until those who did not accept much risk (depositors). Ideally, depositors should not lose anything or very little - but if the hole was too huge, they might end up with a significant cut.
  • These same creditors should be rewarded with ownership of the bank. For example, if you lost 10K, and in total 10G were needed to save the bank, you now must own a millionth part of the bank in shares.

I can see no way to make it fairer than this. Tax victims should not have to spend a dime - that's externalizing a cost to people that had nothing to do it (imposed negative externality, moral hazard, private profit public losses etc). Only those involved with the failed bank should. Federal/national insurances of bank deposits are unfair by definition and should never have been created in the first place.

Insurance was okay when banks had a very limited set of things they were allowed to do.  Now that they act as broker/dealers you are absolutely right.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
June 27, 2013, 03:19:06 AM
#5
wow. the european politicians & banksters officially announced that when a bank is in trouble (and A LOT of european banks are indeed) shareholders and customers have to pay for it.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eu-finanzminister-einigen-sich-auf-regeln-fuer-pleitebanken-a-908069.html


so we have a potential for a european-wide cyprus scenario.  Shocked



Don't keep cash in your accounts past the insured limit.  If you are doing this, you are voluntarily acting as an at risk creditor.

Like the insurance limit means something... Sure, better not having more than the insured limit, is another layer of (fragile) protection, but still the only sound hedge against the financial system is BTC

hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Shame on everything; regret nothing.
June 27, 2013, 03:17:50 AM
#4
cue rocket takeoff pic thread
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1004
June 27, 2013, 03:16:20 AM
#3
I've said it once and will repeat: there's no fairer way to deal with a bank failure than a bail-in:

  • Current bank owners (shareholders) should lose everything.
  • Creditors should lose the necessary amount to save the bank, starting by those who accepted more risks (like bondholders) until those who did not accept much risk (depositors). Ideally, depositors should not lose anything or very little - but if the hole was too huge, they might end up with a significant cut.
  • These same creditors should be rewarded with ownership of the bank. For example, if you lost 10K, and in total 10G were needed to save the bank, you now must own a millionth part of the bank in shares.

I can see no way to make it fairer than this. Tax victims should not have to spend a dime - that's externalizing a cost to people that had nothing to do it (imposed negative externality, moral hazard, private profit public losses etc). Only those involved with the failed bank should. Federal/national insurances of bank deposits are unfair by definition and should never have been created in the first place.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
June 27, 2013, 03:08:21 AM
#2
wow. the european politicians & banksters officially announced that when a bank is in trouble (and A LOT of european banks are indeed) shareholders and customers have to pay for it.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eu-finanzminister-einigen-sich-auf-regeln-fuer-pleitebanken-a-908069.html


so we have a potential for a european-wide cyprus scenario.  Shocked



Don't keep cash in your accounts past the insured limit.  If you are doing this, you are voluntarily acting as an at risk creditor.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 2106
June 27, 2013, 02:42:33 AM
#1
wow. the european politicians & banksters officially announced that when a bank is in trouble (and A LOT of european banks are indeed) shareholders and customers have to pay for it.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eu-finanzminister-einigen-sich-auf-regeln-fuer-pleitebanken-a-908069.html


so we have a potential for a european-wide cyprus scenario.  Shocked

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