Topic: Even More Evidence of Coronavirus as Financial Reset - page 2. (Read 769 times)

I don't think the survival of Lancet is a major concern for most people.

Again, the issue is really simple: why was it necessary to fabricate data in order to wage a major campaign against HCQ in the media?  And why are there no consequences for those involved?

These are a matter of record, not just conspiracy theories.

These questions will hopefully, directly and indirectly, unravel a lot of truth in the minds of the thinking.

Regarding the effectiveness of HCQ, see reports here, here and here.  I have more evidence, if allowed time to dig it out.  (E.g. go to Didier Raoult's Twitter feeds.)

We have to be very careful searching the web for HCQ related information.  Major studies have shown and will show that HCQ is not effective.  These have also been reported extensively by the mainstream media, so you can see their contents repeated all over.

As Martenson points out, however, these studies seem to be designed to fail, because the treatment is not given properly (not early enough, and/or not with zinc.)  When the treatment is done right, overwhelming evidence suggests HCQ is *very* good at suppressing the virus before it does damage, and curing the patient of Covid.  (As the links above show.)

Why would anyone deliberately undermine an excellent treatment?  Who has the power to do such a thing and expect not to be punished?  (E.g. the fraudulent study in Lancet.)  As I mentioned, these are yet more circumstantial pieces of evidence that Covid is a cover for financial reset by blowing up the global asset bubbles eventually.

Let us rename Covid Coverid 

How sure are you that hydroxychloroquine can cure the Coronavirus? When the virus started spreading earlier this year I was seeing claims from some articles (though they were not 100% sure about it) that hydroxychloroquine can cure Coronavirus. I started doing some research and following up with researches on the drug to know if it can really cure Covid-19 as said.

But from what I have got to understand, the case got serious for those patients that were given the hydroxychloroquine. So, this is not a cure for the Covid-19. Let's have patience and wait for the vaccine that's already on the way because almost 500 different suggestions were made to be used some existing medicine for curing covid19 but no solid proven results.

Yes, totally agreed.  The boom-bust cycle is built into the fabric of our modern financial system.

The reason is quite simple, really.  Since the central authorities (governments, big banks and central banks) control how much money and credit get created, and are the primary beneficiaries of such creation, they are incentivized to create more assets than justified by how much the economy grows naturally.

Over time, the state-supported bubble in the value of money and debt will always crash, especially because the major beneficiaries are incentivized to use deception, war, etc. to support the bubbles.

This is not only because, objectively, lying and killing simply can't last forever, but also because bigger and bigger lies and killings must occur to cover up the instability caused by the previous lying and killing.

So, even from the elites' point of view, eventually, the exercise in muddling through (as has happened at least since 2008 -- a big part of which has been the inequality you mention) becomes more trouble than it's worth, and it becomes better to do a big reset once and for all (or at least until the next big bust, hopefully long into the future.)

Most importantly, the whole aim of this study was to evaluate HCQ as a preventive measure.  I have not claimed or read that HCQ works well as a prevention (with the possible exception of Trump!)  Its power to cure Covid once serious symptoms appear (but before hospitalization) has been fully documented around the world.

Martenson also points out that this study suffers from a few major shortcomings: patients were given the treatment up to 4 days after exposure -- this might be too late.  Also, the dosage seems too high, so side effects can be expected.

Resetting the economy wouldn't be a problem if we could just get better without crashing once a decade. Look at 2008, it hurt so many people and so many business' that it was known as one of the worst ever crashes in history (I still say 1927 was worse by stats but I wasn't alive so I can't say for sure) and just 12 years later we have another.

If we had 2008 and didn't have this 2020, we would be fine. Or if we didn't had 2008 and only had 1987 we would have been fine.
But what happens is, economy constantly crashes and rebuilds, that is not something we can cover for too long, the more it happens the worse we get. Big companies gets bailed out, but the small ones and regular workers do not get a bail out, so they just get worse over time with every single crash and never recover from it.

Perhaps, its just a bunch of unrealistically rich people which just did this "reset" right after they sold every coin/token/asset/stock out there, then waited for big march dump and re-bought everything. No start-up or other business needed to make profit from this "reset"

You should know how to read newspapers. What you read only reflects a small part of the truth. No one wants to stop Lancet's invention, it's just that his invention has not been tested and it needs to be tested before making an official announcement. In many countries, they take advantage of the opportunity to make fake drugs to combat corona virus. they made hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars by selling fake goods at high prices. That's why the government has to get in quickly to stop this.

It is not that instant to make a cure, vaccine or medicine for the Covid-19 because it should take a lot of time and budget to prove its effectiveness to human. Trump really did a bad decision for that, he really want to make things at instant, he did not plan this for sure. He should allocated those budgets or funds to the medical sector for medicines and facilities. The number of active cases in their country is extremely high and it is the highest so he should be accountable for that. Money really talks, The HCQ is really not that proven effective for a long term medicine for this virus, he should contributed to the making and discovering of the vaccine to the laboratories, instead of that wrong decision.

I read some conspiracy theories about the US liberal media attacking HCQ only because Trump supports that medicament.This sounds ridiculous,but I'm not surprised how crazy the US liberals can become.
HCQ is highly effective in the treatment of the early stage of the coronavirus infection.
After the patient gets hospitalized and has difficulties with breathing,HCQ is not very effective at all and has damaging side effects.This is my conlusion based on the stuff that I read.I'm not an expert.

But according to this article that it is not really the main solution or vaccine for the virus.


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There is no assurance that this medicine will treat COVID patients. If this medicine worked with other patients, there are also patients who tested this drug but didn't work out. So they can't just let everyone use this as a treatment because it will put all patients at risk with no 100% assurance that they will get treated when they intake this drug.

HCQ is being used even before to treat other illnesses but COVID-19 is new so they can't just let the patients use it without further study on how this will help to stop the pandemic.

Guys, the issue is really very simple.

Without any medical knowledge, we know we have two camps of a medical debate.

One camp has the support of the media (as evidenced by the media having used a fraudulent study to land its most serious blows on the other camp, and then failed to visibly report the retraction of that study, plus previous bias.)  The other camp has no power and influence, and must depend on being right.

The camp having support of the media feels both emboldened and desperate enough to make up data for a study with major impacts on public opinion.  The authors of the study themselves eventually apologize 'deeply' when they have been caught, and tried and failed to argue their way out.

Without knowing anything medical, which side is more likely to be right?

The early reports regarding HCQ isn't really well-documented, or those who have received the said treatment are very few for it to be considered on a large scale. Upon further research, testing and monitoring of the said drug on COVID-19 patients, there are those that actually survived, although there are many who experienced side-effects that are then jotted down for republishing purposes. By then, people are just desperate for a cure since vaccines are still a year away, then came the hype re: HCQ by few doctors who claimed its miracles. I might have been swooned by the hype few months back (sometime in March) as well since it's been a while since I encountered the name hydroxychloroquine and just knew that it was an effective anti-malarial agent with dizziness and loss of appetite as its initial side-effects, and thought that it could work potentially as an inhibitor to SARS-CoV-2 once the drug binds to the ACE2 receptors of our cells--which, to its own merit, actually work. I never knew that it has side-effects more haunting than what it was originally advertised for, hence why I hated Trump and myself for claiming it to be the temporary savior while we find a vaccine.

While later studies show that HCQ + azithromycin combo might be deadly on immunocompromised patients, I don't think that it was intentionally done such that it serves as a subtle way of culling the population further. Things like this often happen in the medical world, and that's why confirmatory analysis paired with different independent researches much produce the same results or the study isn't going to be as solid as people think it actually is.


It can be repurposed to treat malaria cases, or can be sold cheap to countries where malarial outbreak still happens so as to recoup some of the money invested on such a stupid move.


There are reports from big names although they cannot provide the actual numbers and the hospitals which actually used the treatment successfully. HCQ is effective on other things, but not really COVID-19, which I think is a placebo since most of those patients are already receiving other treatments for pneumonia, which is the virus' deadliest complication on its latter stages.

Also, the Lancet has been in controversies big and small before, so I don't think they don't know how to handle the backlash if there ever is one.

That's a very weak claim without control groups.


That's not what your boy Martenson says. He tried to discredit studies that failed to show HCQ's efficacy on the basis that treatment wasn't administered early enough.


That's perfectly fine for his patients but it's insane to offer as scientific evidence. Without control groups, there is no way to distinguish between HCQ treatment and the ordinary course of the disease.

Here is a recently published randomized and controlled study that shows HCQ is barely more effective than a placebo, if at all: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-placebo-study-finds


What if stock indices go to new ATHs from here? Will that change your view?

So what will Trump going to do with his 29 million HCQ tablets that he ordered from India? lol

This retraction is a massive news, obviously there is a political and business agenda behind this one. There has been no reliable data for HCQ to cure corona virus yet we already seen the demand for it like what the hell?
And Lancet as world's credible medical journal is going to be in a deep freak after this, they might face a sanction for this, and the authors for the HCQ findings will surely be arrested for unethical data gathering.

I thought the one who'd profit are the ones who have more BTC because they are resetting the financial system with blockchain

Whether this HCQ is just a band-aid solution for Covid patients, its still giving them time to live until their body resistance can fight the virus. If its easy to buy this drug, it would be good to buy some for now. There are people treating Covid with just Aspirin actually and some of them survived. There's also Intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) I think I have read this on youtube where they claimed it works for them.

'Some people,' as in a large majority of those with symptoms?

There is no need for 'early detection' as if it was cancer.  Just take HCQ when you have Covid symptoms.  And trust me, when you have Covid symptoms, you know.  What advocates suggest is to take HCQ as soon as you suspect Covid, even before your Covid test comes back positive.  If you turn out to be negative, you can always stop.

HCQ is effective enough that Dr. Raoult considers it unethical to conduct placebo studies at this point.  That is, unfair to patients who are given placebo.

Once touted, but not any more, by the power of the media.  (At some point, people are just going to stop listening to lies, if they haven't already done so.)

These are early days indeed for a financial reset.  Even something as drastic as the Great Depression took from 1929 to 1934 before the system was fully reset. A controlled demolition like this might take even longer.

I'm not surprised that so many people seem to be negative about HCQ.  This is understandable.  The mainstream media is indeed a powerful story-telling machine.  I'm only lucky to find independent voices who understand the science of it.  (Chris Martenson and Didier Raoult.)

What we have to remember is:

- HCQ is safe and has been around for decades.  Travelers to poor countries used to take it routinely as a prevention against malaria, before the trip.  Only now are we told it is unsafe.  Even in this media climate of criticism against HCQ, only one study can cite significant issues with side effects, and that turns out to be the one with fraudulent data.  (Martenson has shown other studies that show HCQ is ineffective are not based on administering it properly.)

- HCQ is very effective if administered properly.   See reports here, here and here.  Also, studies and experience in China and India are generally positive.  There is other evidence, that I might be able to dig out later.

- HCQ is a generic drug -- there's no real money to be made.  I keep hearing how Trump is going to profit from HCQ.  The only way I know he can profit is by fixing the Covid problem to a large extent, by election time.

- HCQ is under constant attack, and only this side of the story is covered in the media.  We really have to ask why.  (Because it will interfere with the financial reset?)  There are more than enough data to support its use, especially in life-or-death situations, but apparently no data are good enough for establishment scientists like Dr. Fauci, who demand formalized, slow studies, before wanting HCQ used in any generalized way.  Formalized study might be good in and of itself, but, guess what, Martenson reveals that all major HCQ studies have been designed without making sure the drug is taken early and with zinc -- meaning the studies are designed to fail HCQ.

Why you are so sure that HCQ really works? There are absolutely no relevant data about it.

I won't be surprise if more politics starts playing again with the drugs to help in supporting covid-19 patient to survive. As I know that many countries have mentioned
hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as what they use on patient, but the high politics of the world would start a twist on this as time moves.