Everyone doing cryptocoins should be using Linux as OS - page 5.

nahtnam

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Quote from: 229032 on December 13, 2013, 04:18:17 AM

Linux is much better than windows 8, that's for sure. Unfortunately I didn't know how to install all the drivers onto linux for my rig so I had to go with windows. I hate it with a passion. The home screen looks like it belongs on an xbox/tablet.

Anyone care to advise a point and click method of installing the AMD drivers on linux?

On my computer I have windows 7, 8, and ubuntu. I use ubuntu mainly (haven't switched to windows in 3 months). Ubuntu should recognize most drivers and install them for you.

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Quote from: tspacepilot on December 12, 2013, 10:09:54 PM

I think I agree with the OP here. But talking OSs on the internet is a little like talking politics at a family reunion.

That can go down to hell really fast. Grin

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I think it is time for me to take a look at linux as Win7 is gonna be old news in the coming months if it isn't considered so already, heh. Will follow this thread so I can look it over when I have a bit more time but thanks for sharing the info.

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Linux is much better than windows 8, that's for sure. Unfortunately I didn't know how to install all the drivers onto linux for my rig so I had to go with windows. I hate it with a passion. The home screen looks like it belongs on an xbox/tablet.

Anyone care to advise a point and click method of installing the AMD drivers on linux?

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Windows XP.

It is sufficient to run almost all altcoin clients if you are not mining (they are nearly built for Win32 by default.)
You can assign a separate VM to each client (no real opportunity for malware.) The overhead of a WinXP VM is not too large. Just don't give it write access to the host HDD!
Fast User Switching is harder to exploit than sudo or UAC because sessions/processes are isolated
There is no other OS so well-debugged for so long that is still having new software developed for it. Comparable Linux/BSD/OSX versions (i.e. those with no new features for a decade) are long abandoned.

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I agree op, if you're using windows at least get some protection. I reformatted recently because I found out I had a keylogger for 2 days on my computer. I found the data file in appdata/roaming and it had all of my chat conversations, browsing history, passwords, ETC. MBAM is a pretty good service, make sure you're running something like it.

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I use Ubuntu for my desktop, and for my mining. I also have a Raspberry Pi that I'm working on moving all of my stratum-proxy and bfgminer tasks to.
(:

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Linux does have one advantage - security from the start. It is very difficult to lock down a windows system and still have off-the-shelf software work correctly. If you make user profiles non-executable, you've successfully broken Chrome and other stupid software.

Linux, however, has compartmentalized user security; even beyond user and group permissions, you can encrypt home directories, so software that is run on one user account has little chance of escaping to or accessing other user file systems or the system. This allows one to simply use different credentials for user tasks like browsing the infectious web vs running secured processes like a web server or financial software.

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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

I think I agree with the OP here. But talking OSs on the internet is a little like talking politics at a family reunion.

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Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 10:02:11 PM

Quote from: pand70 on December 12, 2013, 09:55:43 PM

Ok thanks for your answers everyone. I think i 'll go through the learning curve and try linux sometime soon. I mean with bitcoins close to 1000$ i 'll need as much security as i can get Tongue

If you want to play with a user friendly distro I would suggest ubuntu.

You can download it, put it on a flash drive with the Persistence option so you can save things and boot from it and play around.

Actually i 've done that already but only tried it a few times just to get a feeling but with the "try it without installing" option
I 'm not sure that i noticed a persistence option. I 'll check again.

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Quote from: pand70 on December 12, 2013, 09:55:43 PM

Ok thanks for your answers everyone. I think i 'll go through the learning curve and try linux sometime soon. I mean with bitcoins close to 1000$ i 'll need as much security as i can get Tongue

If you want to play with a user friendly distro I would suggest ubuntu.

You can download it, put it on a flash drive with the Persistence option so you can save things and boot from it and play around.

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Ok thanks for your answers everyone. I think i 'll go through the learning curve and try linux sometime soon. I mean with bitcoins close to 1000$ i 'll need as much security as i can get Tongue

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Quote from: pand70 on December 12, 2013, 09:08:29 PM

Quote from: deepceleron on December 11, 2013, 07:07:08 PM

You can also do stupid things in Linux. I have seen several users that think they have to sudo any program, don't understand file permissions, and are prime targets for a trojan horse. The word "rootkit" comes from the Unix world, and the super user root.

This is my major concern with linux. I 'm afraid that my ignorance will make hackers life easier. Is there a super hint to not screw things up with file permissions etc. Like creating a user account that can't screw up much no matter how inexperienced the user is Tongue

Nowadays breaking things is nos that easy and your ignorance wont help hackers at all.
Even if you dont know much you are already on a safer OS to browse the web.
Just keep in mind that on Linux you will use a user account with no privileges to do changes
to the system. This is one of the reasons why Linux is safer.

I still remember my first Slackware 7 install.
I got a kernel panic after 2 or 3 boots =(

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Quote from: pand70 on December 12, 2013, 09:08:29 PM

Quote from: deepceleron on December 11, 2013, 07:07:08 PM

You can also do stupid things in Linux. I have seen several users that think they have to sudo any program, don't understand file permissions, and are prime targets for a trojan horse. The word "rootkit" comes from the Unix world, and the super user root.

This is my major concern with linux. I 'm afraid that my ignorance will make hackers life easier. Is there a super hint to not screw things up with file permissions etc. Like creating a user account that can't screw up much no matter how inexperienced the user is Tongue

When you install Linux, depending on your distro will handle root it's own way.

Debian flavors handle root with the command sudo. Debian users can also access the root account by "sudo su"

Red Hat / Fedora actually has a root account.

By default a user is just that, a user.

The biggest problem is newbies to linux think they have to su (super user) everything and that is where things get messed up

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Quote from: deepceleron on December 11, 2013, 07:07:08 PM

You can also do stupid things in Linux. I have seen several users that think they have to sudo any program, don't understand file permissions, and are prime targets for a trojan horse. The word "rootkit" comes from the Unix world, and the super user root.

This is my major concern with linux. I 'm afraid that my ignorance will make hackers life easier. Is there a super hint to not screw things up with file permissions etc. Like creating a user account that can't screw up much no matter how inexperienced the user is Tongue

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Guys, the problem are not the servers nor the ATMs. ATMs are not surfing the web and dealing with all the shit out there.
The problem are the computers used to daily access internet and also host coins clients.
This is where Linux is much more safer. Almost all the shit out there is waiting for windows hosts to click and install on.

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Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 08:44:20 PM

Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 08:28:54 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 08:22:15 PM

Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 07:50:57 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 07:40:13 PM

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Even there are security loop holes with linux, it is the same with windows.

I do not see any major difference between these two.

However, linux systems perform well than its windows counterpart.

Security holes in linux can be fixed by anyone who knows it exists, but it cant be in windows. Thats what makes linux superior.

I would call linux superior. The fact that the it is open source can cause it's weakness also.

Vulnerabilities have to be discovered with Windows and OS X, with Linux one just has to look through the source of the latest release and find the vulnerability and exploit it until it is patched.

Each OS has it's place, each has it strengths and weaknesses, not one is superior to the other.

I enjoy Linux, have been using it since the early days of Red Hat before X11 was even part of the main installation. I was a command line junky back then, but I was also wearing the wrong color fedora too. (Geeks will understand)

Now I use Mac OS X and I like it because of it's unix backend, and I have my Windows in VM's for application specific stuff, mainly my Motorola programing software.

I would run either Fedora or Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro if it wasn't for the wife and her damn netflix (Linux guys/gals knows this headache) and our iPhones (iTunes)

Why do most companies use linux instead of windows then???

How many fortune 500 companies can you say run Linux.

Google and Apple we know don't run Windows.

Google runs it's own flavor of Debian, while well, we know what Apple runs.

The largest company in the US, the government runs Windows, that I know, I used to be a sysadmin when I was in the Army from 2001-2012 and the government has the largest contract with Microsoft.

Hackers have the same view as we do. Im sure a person could find a keyhole just as easily as a hacker, and fix it. All in all linux is MUCH safer than windows.

There is a saying, the safest and most secure computer is one which is powered off with nothing plugged into it.

The term Hackers, it makes me cringe when people say it as they really don't understand the meaning of a hacker anymore, but that is a different thread, on a different day.

Yes there are White Hats, Black Hats, and Grey Hats. Pick your hat and wear it, maybe you will switch hats one day, but all in all, we are all grey hats at heart.

If you truly think Linux is so much more secure then you should go to your bank and demand they switch all their data servers to Linux or you will switch banks until you find a linux compatible bank. Just kidding, had to bring the original topic back in somehow.

Linux is more stable, but not most secure. Out of the box, fresh install it is not the most secure os available, to make it the most secure you need to make it that way.

Hell a fresh install of windows is horrible when it come to security.

You want a secure out of the box solution, let me introduce you to: Lightweight Portable Security

http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm

caminilegroup

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Let me update my previous statement.

A quick search does so Fortune 500 companies favoring Linux, in one aspect, servers.

Understandable, even Microsoft had contributed at least 20% into writing code to make Linux server compatible with Microsoft software.

Now, running Linux server is one thing, but what about the thousands of PC's in the companies, Windows, either Professional or Enterprise if still on Vista then Business.

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Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 08:28:54 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 08:22:15 PM

Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 07:50:57 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 07:40:13 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even there are security loop holes with linux, it is the same with windows.

I do not see any major difference between these two.

However, linux systems perform well than its windows counterpart.

Security holes in linux can be fixed by anyone who knows it exists, but it cant be in windows. Thats what makes linux superior.

I would call linux superior. The fact that the it is open source can cause it's weakness also.

Vulnerabilities have to be discovered with Windows and OS X, with Linux one just has to look through the source of the latest release and find the vulnerability and exploit it until it is patched.

Each OS has it's place, each has it strengths and weaknesses, not one is superior to the other.

I enjoy Linux, have been using it since the early days of Red Hat before X11 was even part of the main installation. I was a command line junky back then, but I was also wearing the wrong color fedora too. (Geeks will understand)

Now I use Mac OS X and I like it because of it's unix backend, and I have my Windows in VM's for application specific stuff, mainly my Motorola programing software.

I would run either Fedora or Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro if it wasn't for the wife and her damn netflix (Linux guys/gals knows this headache) and our iPhones (iTunes)

Why do most companies use linux instead of windows then???

How many fortune 500 companies can you say run Linux.

Google and Apple we know don't run Windows.

Google runs it's own flavor of Debian, while well, we know what Apple runs.

The largest company in the US, the government runs Windows, that I know, I used to be a sysadmin when I was in the Army from 2001-2012 and the government has the largest contract with Microsoft.

Hackers have the same view as we do. Im sure a person could find a keyhole just as easily as a hacker, and fix it. All in all linux is MUCH safer than windows.

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Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 08:22:15 PM

Quote from: caminilegroup on December 12, 2013, 07:50:57 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on December 12, 2013, 07:40:13 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Even there are security loop holes with linux, it is the same with windows.

I do not see any major difference between these two.

However, linux systems perform well than its windows counterpart.

Security holes in linux can be fixed by anyone who knows it exists, but it cant be in windows. Thats what makes linux superior.

I would call linux superior. The fact that the it is open source can cause it's weakness also.

Vulnerabilities have to be discovered with Windows and OS X, with Linux one just has to look through the source of the latest release and find the vulnerability and exploit it until it is patched.

Each OS has it's place, each has it strengths and weaknesses, not one is superior to the other.

I enjoy Linux, have been using it since the early days of Red Hat before X11 was even part of the main installation. I was a command line junky back then, but I was also wearing the wrong color fedora too. (Geeks will understand)

Now I use Mac OS X and I like it because of it's unix backend, and I have my Windows in VM's for application specific stuff, mainly my Motorola programing software.

I would run either Fedora or Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro if it wasn't for the wife and her damn netflix (Linux guys/gals knows this headache) and our iPhones (iTunes)

Why do most companies use linux instead of windows then???

How many fortune 500 companies can you say run Linux.

Google and Apple we know don't run Windows.

Google runs it's own flavor of Debian, while well, we know what Apple runs.

The largest company in the US, the government runs Windows, that I know, I used to be a sysadmin when I was in the Army from 2001-2012 and the government has the largest contract with Microsoft.

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