Topic: Everyone understands that this wont last right? (Read 8928 times)

We do not really need an exchange. as long as we have paypal/netteller/moneybookers/email interact...and all other ways to send people money, we will be ok...

US govnt hasn't been "of the people" at least since the US civil war.

"Of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Don't be skeered of your own reflection :-)

Government is the real religion of the USA. Americans refer to "the government" in the same way that Christians refer to "God" or Muslims refer to "Allah". There is no government but The Government, and the President is its prophet.

My question is, how can the US govt demand photo IDs from MtGox or even try to shut it down?

For one, the govt doesn't even have control over MtGox. Second, MtGox is not even based in America.

Imagine if Korea tried to shut down Walmart. Yeah, same concept.

Why does every american refer to "The Government"?

Which government is going to crush/shut down Bitcoin/MtGox?

An online exchange is also not absolutely necessary to exchange bitcoins for cash either, going by the ads on my local craigslist there are people who will buy them in person for cash or even silver. Of course, that sort of thing might be a lot less likely if all the exchanges were shut down somehow.

Yes, this will be awsome man. Awsome.

They won't be able to shut it down when the exchange is decentralized: https://github.com/macourtney/Dark-Exchange

One of these days I'll have a beta out.

I am sure this market is on the governments radar but at this time it is so small to be any real threat. The real threat to the prosperity of this currency is not the government but institutional investors. I am a FOREX trader and am familiar with the global monetary system. At this time I do not see any of the big dogs playing this bitcoin game. They deal in hundreds of millions if not billion dollar deals on behalf of their financial institutions. Bitcoins entire economy is a couple hundred million ..small time to these people. When they start to take notice and want to dabble in this small pond they will utterly control it..just by the force of the dollars they bring to the table.

The previous poster is correct all the government would need to do is shut down the exchanges and this house of cards will tumble and be destined just to be niche market catering to the technically savvy. When it could be a global currency without borders and no central banks to screw things up. We are going counter to all the powers-that-be with this bitcoin thing. It is a game they don't control. When and if it does survive institutional intervention they will take notice and want to hold all the cards. Just remember bitcoins intrinsically have no value.. its' just digital, it gets it value from the people who perceive it has value. It is not backed by anything real at all...just like the USD. No gold, silver or futures to give it a real form. the governments are master manipulators of peoples opinions.. They don't have to actually destroy the bitcoin network to wreak havoc...just the perception of it.

Now give the government 90% of the hashing power and suddenly you can have all transactions approved only by govt servers, all parties to a transaction being only govt approved bitcoin addresses, and all transactions automatically taxed.  It's more than a government's wet dream, it's the wettest dream Big Brother ever had.

Talk about untraceable bills.


My buddy went to cash a check that I wrote him for $400 at bank of america.  They gave him 100.00 bills.. he went across the street to try and deposit those bills in his account.  one of them was counterfit and he couldn't deposit it.  He went right back across the street and told the teller what had happened.  She said there was nothing they could do since he had left the facility. 

Thats one thing that will never happen with BTC..

This currency is the governments most awesome dream.  Something impossible to counterfeit but almost 100% traceable in every way.  A currency that transcends all borders and turns the entire planet into one economic system.  If they were smart, and I think they will catch on eventually, the governments will do everything in their power to make sure bitcoin succeeds. 

You people are ruining this forum. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

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Bitcoins are only valuable because people are willing to trade USD and a few other currencies for them. So all a government has to do is shutdown the exchanges and it won't be valuable anymore, because there would be a hard time converting BTC to USD. All the people who run around daring the government to shut bitcoins down are not thinking it through. Maybe the P2P aspect of it is resilient, but when it is worth nothing because no one is willing to trade anything for it, what then?

A US dollar is really the same thing, except it has the "backing" of the government, and by implication, of the entire US society (mainstream at least). And to start it was sbootstrapped by another fake currency: gold. But after a while gold failed (or the dollar did depending on how you look at it) and so they said the Dollar is now value because it is a Dollar, and you can no longer demand gold in exchange. That was possible because after the USD had been bootstrapped by gold for a long time, people came to trust the dollar itself. THe same thing happened in Brazil after they had super inflation.

Supermarkets had to pay people whose entire job was to go around the store all day with a price tag gun, applying the day's new, higher prices to each item. What they did was invent a new currency and demanded that all wages and prices had to be listed in the new currency, and then an exchange rate was established with the old one. People got used to seeing the new currency, and seeing the price stability of the new currency. The one day they just switched over to the new one completely, and there was no more super-inflation. Just a magic of public confidence. The US government can both shut down exchanges and also take steps to defame bitcoins. If they destroy confidence in it, then it will lose value, because that's how powerful the government and media are.

That is such a retarded argument, because, if I recall, the world reserve currency is the US dollar, and as such, all wholesale terrorism is funded using US dollars. Untraceable bills, by the way.

^ this

to simplify: they destroy ANYTHING, that's they can't exploit/use/thwart/slave.
both on personal and corporate/country/worldwide level.

anything,that's breath and live don't deserve to live in politicians eyes.
and that's hardly US-specific. US just had [too much]power 4 it, which rest lack, yet.

blame it on deepbit, they get blamed for everything else lol

The government really does not care about bitcoins at this point. I know people here have collectively had their heads up their butts and think that bitcoins are going to destabilize global currencies and create a new world order and therefore world governments also realize this and must be mobilizing to impede bitcoins as they see it as an imminent threat. Get real people. So far two US senators have sort of bitched about bitcoins, mostly in terms of it being related to a drug marketplace. No one is going to write a bill to forbid American's use of online currencies for years if ever and even if they did, enforcement would be difficult. Do you know how ridiculously inefficient Congress is for important stuff, let alone something trivial like bitcoins?

I know some of you are schizoid conspiracy theorists who think the moon-landing was faked, the CIA shot Kennedy, 9-11 was an inside job, Osama Bin Laden is not dead, a closely knit group of Illuminati control all major world events and economies and that you've got gold, guns and MREs buried in your bomb shelter for when the Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians/Immigrants/Canadians nuke us, but really, chill people. The FBI is not watching you or bitcoins and if you think they are, you probably think you're way more important and interesting a person than you really are.

Initially, the few resources that are used to understand bitcoins will be devoted to mostly understanding the network and tracing transactions for law enforcement, in terms of money laundering and tax evasion. I see no threat to bitcoins themself. Those expecting Mt Gox or any other exchange to be shut down by federal authorities are paranoid.

who cares about the government. there are more severe threats to bitcoins than this.