Topic: Evidences of chechens fighting in Ukraine? (Read 1036 times)

Well... there is a reason why BBC calls their news service "World News". Whenever 4 or 5 people are killed in clashes around the globe, the news will immediately come up as a BBC headline. And in Slavyansk / Krasny Liman, more than 200 people were killed in a single day and still there is no coverage.

Why bother sending reporters there?
Westerners don't care about what's happening there , it's Russians fighting other Russians.

I'm living in a country that borders Ukraine , we only get news about what's happening there when the idiots of rt are trying to involve our country in their propaganda.

All my friends and co workers have the same opinion , it's the Russians who want to bring back the urss.
They will fail again but they will a be a million less with this. Let them try.

People here are more interested in the CL finals than the Ukraine.

But.. this contradicts your theory about eu involvement , not?
With the billions that were in fact millions spent by nulland , why don't they start their won propaganda machine?
Why isn't the nazi press hammering with fake reports ?

Try to think twice before getting the wrong opinion

Norwegian news are mostly concerned with the local news from over the pond, i.e.: is Bergdahl (he does have a Norwegian surname) a traitor. In Ukraine everything is fine. Check this Norwegian state channel page. It's sparse on news from Ukraine:

http://www.nrk.no/

I found one article, though, reading "At least seven separatists killed in Ukraine"
http://www.nrk.no/verden/minst-syv-drept-i-ukraina-1.11753257
and it does mention "an explosion in the centre of the city, claimed by the separatists to bean aerial strike, where at least two were killed".

And for the article they selected this image showing "two separatists":

Well... right now only the Russian sources are covering the conflict in detail. For example, the aerial bombardment of Lugansk. None of the Western news media covered the event, although the OSCE observes confirmed the bombing. If everything is Russian propaganda, then why doesn't the Western media try to counter it?

I get my news from a large number of news media (including BBC, CNN and the Washington Post). I have posted many links from these sources as well.

Wait till Russia does the same as PBOC or even worse , I wonder if there will be still supporters for Russian policy between bitcoiners.

I can understand nationalism (even if it's the kids disease of mankind, as Einstein said) and since there is a crises with the West, I also understand some lack of impartiality.

But some of the members of the forum seem to think that their readers are completely stupid and will believe everything they post. That the only point is postings things favorable to Russia, even if completely biased or blatantly false. If they were intelligent nationalists, that tried to convince on reason, even if under a russian perspective, they could make much more to defend russian interests.

No , you have seen news and pictures about it.
Just like we have seen those in the us propaganda about Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (from both the us and Russia) and many mores.

Unlike you , I don't have pagan on the ignore list and some of his posts are actually showing where the Russian propaganda fails.I don't believe what any side is posting on their news channel. The truth is somewhere in between.

I have seen so many news on rt and they propaganda about my own country that I think 10 times before believing what they say just like I don't trust what daily mail is writing about my country.

If I have turned to a Russian promoter, it is because I think the truth is on their side. For the past few weeks, I have seen atrocities on a massive scale conducted in the Donbass by the Kiev junta. The citizens of Donbass are suffering, and I can't ignore it.

Which country uses fighter jets and helicopter gunships to bombard the residential areas inhabited by its own citizens?

What puzzles me is that you were so angry on any western volunteers in that region but you're ok with Chechen foreign volunteers that fight one the other side.

You've turn 101% into a Russian promoter lately .

Check you're posts a few months ago , you were far more impartial , or better , stop quoting rt that much .

May be. But already two dozen of the slain men were identified, and all of them were Ukrainian citizens. May be a few foreign volunteers were dead too, but that doesn't take away the fact that the vast majority of the casualties were among the Ukrainians.

I'm pretty sure that if i'm ever going to participate in this kind of mess , carrying a gun and shooting people in a foreign country , I'm going to make sure I'm carrying my real ID with me ....and a phone with my fb account.

It should also be remembered that some 15,000 Meskhetian Turks (Ahiska Turks) are living in the Donbass region. They also have similar sounding names. Anyway.. it is just one person among 2 dozen others.

Crimean tatars and kazan tatars could have such names too.

Chechen clan names are usually used as the surname (and can be identified easily), and it seems none of the names in the given list are Chechens. More than half of them have ethnic Ukrainian surnames, such as Grechko, Kiychik, Obukh, Pogrebnyak, and Titorenko.

Chechens have very specific surnames, Dadaev Murat is the only who could be Chechen from the list.
Anyway the list is not full.

Their nationality is revealed in that list?

Anyway, some of the rebel sources were talking about 100 casualties, so it's to early to tell.

But, as stated, my only sources are the news, I don't know what is going on.

This is a partial list of the peoplw, who lost their lives during the Donetsk Airport Attack. There are no Chechens among them.

http://www.segodnia.ru/content/140108

1. Бeлoycoвa Haтaлья Aлeкcaндpoвнa - 1962 г. p., Natalya Belousova.
2. Бopoвик Фeдop Ивaнoвич - 1943 г. p., Borovik Fedor.
3. Бpюxaнoв Pycлaн Пeтpoвич - 1972 г. p., Bruchanov Ruslan Petrovich.
4. Бyдapин Юpий Hикoлaeвич, 1970 г. p., Budarin Yuri.
5. Гpeчкo Cepгeй Bлaдимиpoвич - 1955 г. p., Grechko Sergey.
6. Дaдaeв Mypaт Лaмaлиeвич - 1983 г. p., Dadaev Lamalievich Murat.
7. Кийчик Bлaдимиp Eвгeньeвич - 1951 г. p., Kiychik Vladimir Evgeneyivich.
8. Кyзнeцoв Maкcим Oлeгoвич, 1985 г. p., Maxim Olegovich Kuznetsov.
9. Maлый Aлeкceй - oк. 1975 г.p., Alexei Malyi.
10. Oбyx Кoнcтaнтин Aлeкcaндpoвич, 1987 г. p., Obukh Konstantin.
11. Пoгpeбняк Poдиoн Bлaдимиpoвич, 1993 г. p., Pogrebnyak Rodion V..
12. Пoгpeбняк Poмaн Aлeкcaндpoвич - 1993 г. p., Pogrebnyak Roman Aleksandrovich.
13. Cтeпин Дмитpий Aлeкcaндpoвич - 1992 г. p, Dmitry Stepin.
14. Cтpюмoв Aдлaн Aбдy Кapим - 1971 г. p., Stryumov Adlan Abdou Karim.
15. Tитopeнкo Maкcим Bлaдимиpoвич - 1978 г. p., Titorenko Maxim.
16. Языбчaн Игopь Aндpoникoвич, 1987 г. p., Yazybchan Igor Andronikovich.
17. Бeтaнeдoв Джaмбyлaт Лaн-Aлиeвич 1986 г. p., Betanedov Dzhambulat Lan Aliyevich.
18. Ивaнoв Cepгeй Bлaдимиpoвич - 1976 г.p., Sergey Ivanov.
19. Hocoв Pycлaн Bacильeвич - 1987 г. p., Ruslan V. Nosov.

I don't know the truth. Contrary to some, I have no clear ideas on the situation on eastern Ukraine.

However:

1) As in Crimea, there are armed and organized russians there, much more than 14. It's of no importance if they are organized in the battalion X or Y.

2) I have serious doubts that with all that organization and arms that they are real voluntaries. Voluntaries are people that decide to go fight on a personal decision. Usually, they arrive unarmed and with no organization. Someone organized them, paid them and gave them weapons.

3) Kadyrov denies sending them and says that he can't control chechens, but he also says he knows exactly how many are in Ukraine: just 14. For someone that says he isn't controlling anyone, he seems to be very shore about how many are in Ukraine.

4) There are reports of fighting in one Ukrainian border because of an attempt of crossing of a military convoy from Russia, even if Russia denied that (seems a more or less balanced news: http://news.yahoo.com/chechen-leader-denies-sending-troops-ukraine-120612671.html). But if Russia has nothing to do with those convoys, how can she deny them? Can't those convoys be passing the borders out of its control and knowledge?

When the Australian and American mercenaries from Greystone landed in the Donbass, no one was complaining. Why make so much of a fuss now? The foreigners still make up for less than 1% of the resistance fighters.

http://m.lenta.ru/news/2014/06/01/chechnya/

Another article about chechen volunteers.