Evolution Thiefs but no help from stake support - page 2.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on February 04, 2022, 05:44:49 PM

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 03, 2022, 07:22:30 AM

Support stake don't care about my evidence they say to me i need to handle with evolution,thats my main problem i have proof

A couple of complaints I've heard from players there and it's likely that it's just all about a rant and not really a problem at all.

^ This is what I have noticed too, they had different issues that we have seen recently and I don't know if the player's fault or the casino which is I think there is need clarifications. I don't want to call them a theft because I have been there once gambling in their casino and so far I did not encounter such a problem, probably there is a misunderstanding here. If OP has good valid proof which is the right thing to accuse them, just open a thread on the scam accusation, and probably they will respond too and depend on their side.

The stake team is quit active on the forum and we can expect that they will respond to clear this thing out but it would be better if the complain is posted on the stake's own thread so that they can know it easily and I do not think they have enough time to scan every edge of the forum just to respond to the issues with their casino not unless if there are concerned users that will ping them about the issue.

In the meantime they OP might want to slow down. Wait for further clarifications before he finally create a scam accusation. The OP had their own proof posted in the first page though I did not check that out, I do not know if that's valid or not.

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I don't think it makes sense for a casino as well-known as Stake to cheat its user for $22. They have a good reputation and there must be some kind of mistake. The player could have accidentally pressed the wrong button without even noticing it. If it was a bug on the gambling site, we would have heard about such situations more than once. But if the player is 100% sure of his right then he definitely need to seek justice.

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Unfortunately these sort of extremely rare glitches can and do happen, it's just especially painful when you are playing with real money on a low budget. Unless you happened to have screen monitoring software that was recording what was happening at the time to prove that it was a glitch in the game, you are unlikely to get any support back from them. The best thing to do is just move on and avoid playing that particular game in future. If you complain and enough other people have a similar bug happening (not sure how many people are betting $22 at a time), then it's possible that they could refund you if a bug was later found in the game. Don't assume they are thieves but they are definitely responsible for their software having glitches and they should investigate thoroughly.

Exactly.

There's no point on continue playing in that site, continuing could mean much further losses in the future. Having no active customer service or the support doesn't even reply that fast means that they are poorly running gambling site, which is a sign that they could do a lot of unexpected things that players won't like. Even if it is a small money, if OP would continue to deposit to it, eventually he will lose more than what he can think of.

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Unfortunately these sort of extremely rare glitches can and do happen, it's just especially painful when you are playing with real money on a low budget. Unless you happened to have screen monitoring software that was recording what was happening at the time to prove that it was a glitch in the game, you are unlikely to get any support back from them. The best thing to do is just move on and avoid playing that particular game in future. If you complain and enough other people have a similar bug happening (not sure how many people are betting $22 at a time), then it's possible that they could refund you if a bug was later found in the game. Don't assume they are thieves but they are definitely responsible for their software having glitches and they should investigate thoroughly.

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Yeah? How does it feel getting $44 scammed you fckin pussy?

This guy took loans from Stake players for over $20K and ran away and here's he's whining about fuckin' his $40 bucks.

Get your shit right NAAMANDROR the known israeli scammer!

PS: This guy plays on Loaned money and in my confirmed knowledge he scammed people for over $20K by befriending them on Stake.

Omg, can you please elaborate on this? I have never heard about this story.

There's some private Stake Sports Group ran by few High rollers about daily sports tip and all, this guy scammed every possible innocent guys from that group in the name of loan or his insurance bet.
He took over $20K and is on a run, deleted his telegram. Plays on stake silently and whine about losing $22 bucks here.

Did you notice? He came online but decided not to reply to this thread since he got EXPOSED. LMFAO! Fuckin' Pussy! NAAMANDROR is a SCAMMER

If you have evidence of this you can raise a scam accusation against this forum member so the community is alerted of this alleged behavior, after all if this is the case then it becomes way more difficult to believe his story as the credibility of someone willing to steal so much money from others will be very low, and as such unless extraordinaire evidence is shown then we have no reason to believe the story we are told by him.

Will be a waste of time, it's almost a year. See his last profile activity, he pussied out to reply on this thread after he read the accusation.

I will leave it there.

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Bet history show 44$

That would be a big problem, whoever considers the case is removed from the full details and is going to give a response based on the recorded logs. It has to be arguable or repeatable as a bug or its not likely to make much headway as a complaint. I'am quite paranoid about these things but even just for my own records I would prefer to stream my games so I can go back and check for sure what the heck just happened there; I would advise that for most people to improve clarity for both sides in this.

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Quote from: jossiel on February 04, 2022, 03:30:25 PM

Quote from: Naamandror on February 03, 2022, 07:22:30 AM

Support stake don't care about my evidence they say to me i need to handle with evolution,thats my main problem i have proof

A couple of complaints I've heard from players there and it's likely that it's just all about a rant and not really a problem at all.

^ This is what I have noticed too, they had different issues that we have seen recently and I don't know if the player's fault or the casino which is I think there is need clarifications. I don't want to call them a theft because I have been there once gambling in their casino and so far I did not encounter such a problem, probably there is a misunderstanding here. If OP has good valid proof which is the right thing to accuse them, just open a thread on the scam accusation, and probably they will respond too and depend on their side.

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 03, 2022, 07:22:30 AM

Support stake don't care about my evidence they say to me i need to handle with evolution,thats my main problem i have proof

A couple of complaints I've heard from players there and it's likely that it's just all about a rant and not really a problem at all.

And you know what's more interesting about this story is someone is telling you and knows you from a private group. I guess you should answer that too.

What can you say about that? So you accuse stake and then it happened to you. What's your defense from that?

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Quote from: GameZhero on February 04, 2022, 01:22:24 PM

Quote from: asevila on February 04, 2022, 03:37:47 AM

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Yeah? How does it feel getting $44 scammed you fckin pussy?

This guy took loans from Stake players for over $20K and ran away and here's he's whining about fuckin' his $40 bucks.

Get your shit right NAAMANDROR the known israeli scammer!

PS: This guy plays on Loaned money and in my confirmed knowledge he scammed people for over $20K by befriending them on Stake.

Omg, can you please elaborate on this? I have never heard about this story.

There's some private Stake Sports Group ran by few High rollers about daily sports tip and all, this guy scammed every possible innocent guys from that group in the name of loan or his insurance bet.
He took over $20K and is on a run, deleted his telegram. Plays on stake silently and whine about losing $22 bucks here.

Did you notice? He came online but decided not to reply to this thread since he got EXPOSED. LMFAO! Fuckin' Pussy! NAAMANDROR is a SCAMMER

If you have evidence of this you can raise a scam accusation against this forum member so the community is alerted of this alleged behavior, after all if this is the case then it becomes way more difficult to believe his story as the credibility of someone willing to steal so much money from others will be very low, and as such unless extraordinaire evidence is shown then we have no reason to believe the story we are told by him.

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Quote from: asevila on February 04, 2022, 03:37:47 AM

Quote from: GameZhero on February 03, 2022, 10:00:05 AM

Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Yeah? How does it feel getting $44 scammed you fckin pussy?

This guy took loans from Stake players for over $20K and ran away and here's he's whining about fuckin' his $40 bucks.

Get your shit right NAAMANDROR the known israeli scammer!

PS: This guy plays on Loaned money and in my confirmed knowledge he scammed people for over $20K by befriending them on Stake.

Omg, can you please elaborate on this? I have never heard about this story.

There's some private Stake Sports Group ran by few High rollers about daily sports tip and all, this guy scammed every possible innocent guys from that group in the name of loan or his insurance bet.
He took over $20K and is on a run, deleted his telegram. Plays on stake silently and whine about losing $22 bucks here.

Did you notice? He came online but decided not to reply to this thread since he got EXPOSED. LMFAO! Fuckin' Pussy! NAAMANDROR is a SCAMMER

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Why it seems that there are continues issues happening inside Stake site nowadays? just this week there are at least 2 or 3 thread that tackles about stake.com issue not counting those in past weeks.
and those post from their ANN Thread.

is this something that we Stake user to be alarmed? or this is another attacks from opposing site?

I am not surprised about that because that is normal in businesses and happens in many things offline and online. Maybe Stake.com gets attacks from their competitor or other things or maybe because of something error on the Stake website itself.

He should give the support and staff time to check it and clarify to @OP and hopefully, the case will close and clear for both sides. But I've got a strong feeling that it is because of an error from his devices that makes him bet 2x from his bet. I mean, you can look he wants to bet $22 but the fact, his bet place $44 and that means, he doubles his bet and suddenly, he loses that money and complains why that can happen.

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Why it seems that there are continues issues happening inside Stake site nowadays? just this week there are at least 2 or 3 thread that tackles about stake.com issue not counting those in past weeks.
and those post from their ANN Thread.

is this something that we Stake user to be alarmed? or this is another attacks from opposing site?

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Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

cHi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small

wow it's been a long time using the site congratulations

Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

and this is very strange, maybe if you explain better the support can try to see your case

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Quote from: GameZhero on February 03, 2022, 10:00:05 AM

Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 03:43:58 PM

Hi people i play at stake almost 2 years with no problems sometimes big sometimes small
I play on provider of them on live blackjack on evolution game,my total balance was low 44$ so i do bet 22$ that if i want to double or take insurance i can
Now on the table near my name you see chips with 22$ but on total bet they charge me on 44$ the game start dealer got ace i got 20 i can't do insurance beacuse they charge me 44$ that's all the balnt i had dealer got blackjack,now its only 44$ but fuck i am right and i hate when player right and casino disrespect player, evolution they thief they say i bet on 44$ even i have screen shot that show 22$ but i reat disappointed from stake no help no nothing thanks god its 44$ but still i am very upset on this situation,this the screen shot name joni
https://ibb.co/whRdYyy

Yeah? How does it feel getting $44 scammed you fckin pussy?

This guy took loans from Stake players for over $20K and ran away and here's he's whining about fuckin' his $40 bucks.

Get your shit right NAAMANDROR the known israeli scammer!

PS: This guy plays on Loaned money and in my confirmed knowledge he scammed people for over $20K by befriending them on Stake.

Omg, can you please elaborate on this? I have never heard about this story.

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Quote from: Scripture on February 03, 2022, 05:38:46 PM

A trusted site wont ruin their reputation for just a small amount of money but of course they still need to explain what happened here so the user wont lose their trust to this site since this can also happening on big bets if ever. OP should contact the support and ask for a legit explanation, if they still not responding most probably they wont give any time for their support to solve every problems no matter how much its value, they can handle this well for sure.

True indeed. It is either a bug on display or op didn't noticed that when you bet then it would multiplied by 2 which $22 x 2 is $44. Ruining reputation would make the site go down since the gamblers stop trusting the site. I checked the image provided by op and I saw that the total amount that op bet is $44 and not $22 then the balance left is $1.84 so, it's not $22 as op complaining. Well op, it's not that you can't live without $44 dollars and better read the rules and policies before playing the game.

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I dont like live table games and I have never tried the game as mentioned by OP. Is that a multihand blackjack games where you can bet several hands in a round. I see there are 2 $22 in the screenshot. 1 which is above your username and the other one in the left side. Is the other one yours too? Someone mentioned about visual bug previously, I dont think it is visual bug. Afaik Evolution is a well popular provider for such live table games, so it is nearly impossible if they have visual bug as I believe they would have tried their games first for such small bug.

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Quote from: fiulpro on February 03, 2022, 10:06:45 AM

Stake is a trusted casino site and I do think that if there is any problem from their side they will strive to resolve it since it's highly unlikely that they would put their whole site at a risk for 22$. I do think you should collect the necessary evidence again and at the same time you have to see your history and what you did. If you were following the rules of the game as well. If you contact the customer support just like that they won't be able to help you, you have to take a lot of evidence and present your case in a professional manner. You cannot just post a SC. You have to understand that the game was live and therefore it might be hard to do so. I hope you find your solution fast! Best of luck. If not then you can always message them on board.

A trusted site wont ruin their reputation for just a small amount of money but of course they still need to explain what happened here so the user wont lose their trust to this site since this can also happening on big bets if ever. OP should contact the support and ask for a legit explanation, if they still not responding most probably they wont give any time for their support to solve every problems no matter how much its value, they can handle this well for sure.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on February 03, 2022, 04:09:42 PM

Quote from: AbuBhakar on February 02, 2022, 11:48:38 PM

Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 08:22:21 PM

They answer that evolution say i bet 44$ and they check itand they can't do nothing its not they responsibility, wtf i bet on your site you see the fact, anyway thanks man

You can check on your bet history if you really bet 44$ or not. I experience this kind of display error too when I'm playing in mobile with normal speed of internet. Maybe you really x2 your bet before the close that result to display glitch. Actually the Casino will just redirect you to evolution gaming since its there game. The casino is just listing live casino provider in there website and made a cut on the profit. Sadly it's very hard to contest an issue against there live games because they will just redirect you to both parties involve until you get tired or give you an unfair answer.

This seems like the most likely explanation, Naamandror thought they were betting only 22 dollars but there was a display error and instead they were betting 44 dollars, this could explain the contradiction between the parts, in which Naamandror is 100% sure they bet only 22 dollars while the service provider seems to think they bet 44 dollars.

If that is the case we will need to look at the policies of the casino and service provider to see what it can be done, however I am not sure there is much to be done if the scenario we are describing is in fact what it actually happened.

So there is some sort of some visual bug on which in users end do shows 22 but the platform did really made out 44? Op wont really be making out complaints or fight for his rights if he was able to bet

$44 unless if he do really tends to make things stir up with this very small issue but if its true then it should really be fixed in between the platform and provider on what
do really happen.

Seen several issues connected with Stake lately.I dont know if they were trying to resolve it out gradually.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on February 02, 2022, 11:48:38 PM

Quote from: Naamandror on February 02, 2022, 08:22:21 PM

They answer that evolution say i bet 44$ and they check itand they can't do nothing its not they responsibility, wtf i bet on your site you see the fact, anyway thanks man

You can check on your bet history if you really bet 44$ or not. I experience this kind of display error too when I'm playing in mobile with normal speed of internet. Maybe you really x2 your bet before the close that result to display glitch. Actually the Casino will just redirect you to evolution gaming since its there game. The casino is just listing live casino provider in there website and made a cut on the profit. Sadly it's very hard to contest an issue against there live games because they will just redirect you to both parties involve until you get tired or give you an unfair answer.

This seems like the most likely explanation, Naamandror thought they were betting only 22 dollars but there was a display error and instead they were betting 44 dollars, this could explain the contradiction between the parts, in which Naamandror is 100% sure they bet only 22 dollars while the service provider seems to think they bet 44 dollars.

If that is the case we will need to look at the policies of the casino and service provider to see what it can be done, however I am not sure there is much to be done if the scenario we are describing is in fact what it actually happened.

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Stake is a trusted casino site and I do think that if there is any problem from their side they will strive to resolve it since it's highly unlikely that they would put their whole site at a risk for 22$. I do think you should collect the necessary evidence again and at the same time you have to see your history and what you did. If you were following the rules of the game as well. If you contact the customer support just like that they won't be able to help you, you have to take a lot of evidence and present your case in a professional manner. You cannot just post a SC. You have to understand that the game was live and therefore it might be hard to do so. I hope you find your solution fast! Best of luck. If not then you can always message them on board.

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