EXO and Nxt are great coins - sorry - page 2.

LiQio

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Quote from: bluemeanie1 on October 19, 2014, 02:04:18 PM

Quote from: LiQio on October 19, 2014, 02:03:25 PM

Quote from: bluemeanie1 on October 19, 2014, 02:01:54 PM

I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM. Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"? You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

I think I asked you first.

oh this crap again.

you can't name a victim because THERE WAS NO CRIME.

now get a life.

Why don't you answer?

Btw. I have no clue who jl777 is.

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Quote from: DarkhorseofNxt on October 19, 2014, 02:04:27 PM

You stole the money.

from who?

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Quote from: bluemeanie1 on October 19, 2014, 02:01:54 PM

I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM. Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"? You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

You stole the money. Blockchain does not lie!

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Quote from: LiQio on October 19, 2014, 02:03:25 PM

Quote from: bluemeanie1 on October 19, 2014, 02:01:54 PM

I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM. Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"? You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

I think I asked you first.

oh this crap again.

you can't name a victim because THERE WAS NO CRIME.

now get a life.

LiQio

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Quote from: bluemeanie1 on October 19, 2014, 02:01:54 PM

I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM. Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"? You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

I think I asked you first.

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I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM. Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"? You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

LiQio

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This is probably just one example:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112643/the-mystery-of-the-missing-1000000-nxt

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Quote from: LiQio on October 19, 2014, 01:51:31 PM

bluemeanie1 / Joshua Zeidner what happened to my nxtscam.org profile?

What happened to the money you stole?

who do you think I stole money from?

LiQio

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bluemeanie1 / Joshua Zeidner what happened to my nxtscam.org profile?

What happened to the money you stole?

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Quote from: cryptonaut on July 25, 2014, 06:22:45 AM

EXO is a true next generation coin built in C++11, it is more secure and it is FAIR. Don't joke yourself, no financial institution will take any java coin seriously. The big guns have arrived children.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pospow-exocoin-exo-gen-20-dev-from-scratch-give-away-open-beta-430467

Java was just about the only thing NXT had going for it.

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Quote from: lordoliver on October 19, 2014, 05:32:24 AM

If you write in C or C++ you have to compile on windows, mac and linux. Even different linux may require some fixes, before you can actually compile the code.

This is so true. C++ is hell to compile on Windows vs Linux.
It's a handicap to use C++ if you want multiple OS.

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expect(brain).toHaveBeenUsed()

@cryptonaut
Your posts show me, that you didn't understand crypto yet. A coin is a protocol and not a software and much less depending on a language. You can rewrite the protocol with any language and use the same blockchain as long as you follow the same protocol.

Every serious coin will have multiple softwares in different languages. Security for the blockchain will not depend on the used software or language, as all participants are checking everything multiple times. So if one of the software programs has a security issue, all others will compensate that until it is fixed.

The main reason, why people are using java, is that you don't have to compile it on every OS again and again. Write once, run everywhere.
If you write in C or C++ you have to compile on windows, mac and linux. Even different linux may require some fixes, before you can actually compile the code.

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Quote from: Eadeqa on October 18, 2014, 01:43:49 AM

I am pretty sure C++ is absolutely worst choice for crypto. Python is probably the best (Electrum?).

Just so: “PyBC Generic Blockchain Library (and coin!)” https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annlibraryv040-pybc-generic-blockchain-library-and-coin-252152

And, to lay down a nominal scale for one dimension: the main characterisation in this XKCDforum post http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=108685 seems broadly accurate in terms of speed of general-purpose processing:

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Tier 1 (fast-fast): C++, C, Ada, Fortran, ATS.
Tier 2 (fast): Java, LuaJIT, Julia, Haskell, Scala, Ocaml, C#, Go, Common Lisp (SBCL), Rust, Pascal, F#.
"Fringe" (fast-ish): Clojure, Racket, JavaScript (V8 and others), Dart, PyPy.
Tier 3 (intermediate): Erlang HiPE.
Tier 4 (slow): Erlang, PHP, Smalltalk (VisualWorks), Lua, Perl, CPython, Hack, Ruby.
Tier 5 (very slow): R, Matlab, Octave.

Some interesting angles in KnightExemplar's insightful response of an alternative and very plausible framing of Tier 0 and Tier 1 as specialised and hardware languages respectively: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=108685#p3575512 - but unlikely to be news to those of a mining persuasion.

Scaling a p2p architecture to support serious mass adoption is going to be fun.

Cheers

Graham

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EXO is coming !

Prepare your btc! C++ new source code!

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Quote from: dbkeys on October 17, 2014, 09:28:18 PM

Quote from: semidead on July 30, 2014, 05:24:14 AM

And what's wrong with java? Why do you think that c++ is better for a crypto coin?

Java is interpreted, not compiled; it's under the control of Oracle Corporation. It's probably fine for a prototyping language and for quick interactive demos. But it does add a layer of complexity, which slows things down (not a huge problem with today's hardware) and creates another failure point.

Java is compiled as bytecode and run by JVM. It's not just oracle, there are also other VMs, including Open JDK, which is open source. It doesn't add another "layer of complexity". It adds more security and versatility (Same compiled bytecode behaves exactly same on Windows, Linux, Mac; you can't always say that about C++ apps, making it less secure). It's much harder to write secure C++ applications, especially due to things like pointers that arbitrarily access memory and buffer overruns. It's much easier to miss bugs in C++ applications. It's much harder to fix bugs in C++ applications, even if you know there is a bug. Vast majority of server side apps are written in Java. That includes almost all banks,, amazon, ebay. There is really no reason to write crypto in C++ as you don't need native integration with operating system and faster startups, two things that C++ does better.

I am pretty sure C++ is absolutely worst choice for crypto. Python is probably the best (Electrum?).

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Quote from: cryptonaut on July 30, 2014, 03:54:47 AM

Quote from: devphp on July 30, 2014, 03:29:46 AM

Quote from: Zer0Sum on July 25, 2014, 03:14:50 PM

That's because any idiot with 6 months training can churn out simple Java apps...
But it takes a university education... and many years of experience to be a competent C++ engineer.

Decentralized java crypto platform, like NXT, isn't exactly a simple Java app, and if it lacked security, someone would have broken it already

It has only been around for 6 months, give it time. If a hacker wants to attack a coin are they going to try to tackle a coin with military grade security (EXO) or noob grade security (Nxt).

It WILL happen. It is just a matter of when.

Correction there, comes November 24th Nxt will be celebrating 1 year. So its 12 months in existence. If someone CAN hack nxt, they would have done it already. All the big account holders is open for anyone's view.

So... keep talking..

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Quote from: dbkeys on October 17, 2014, 09:28:18 PM

Quote from: semidead on July 30, 2014, 05:24:14 AM

And what's wrong with java? Why do you think that c++ is better for a crypto coin?

Java is interpreted, not compiled; it's under the control of Oracle Corporation. It's probably fine for a prototyping language and for quick interactive demos. But it does add a layer of complexity, which slows things down (not a huge problem with today's hardware) and creates another failure point. Silly peasant vs. master race rants aside, it does not strike me as the wisest choice to implement a wallet in java.

You must be trolling.

Please everyone, let this ridiculous thread die.

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Quote from: dbkeys on October 17, 2014, 09:28:18 PM

Java is interpreted, not compiled; it's under the control of Oracle Corporation. It's probably fine for a prototyping language and for quick interactive demos. But it does add a layer of complexity, which slows things down (not a huge problem with today's hardware) and creates another failure point. Silly peasant vs. master race rants aside, it does not strike me as the wisest choice to implement a wallet in java.

Java is compiled, there is an implementation of java which basically exists because other corporations need a not-Oracle java, absolutely not under Oracle control, it has a very cumbersome syntax and culture for prototyping, and has approximately the same complexity as the C++ runtime.

How's EXO doing, anyway? This disinterred thread is the first I've heard of it.

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Quote from: semidead on July 30, 2014, 05:24:14 AM

And what's wrong with java? Why do you think that c++ is better for a crypto coin?

Java is interpreted, not compiled; it's under the control of Oracle Corporation. It's probably fine for a prototyping language and for quick interactive demos. But it does add a layer of complexity, which slows things down (not a huge problem with today's hardware) and creates another failure point. Silly peasant vs. master race rants aside, it does not strike me as the wisest choice to implement a wallet in java.

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Riecoin and Huntercoin to rule all!

Quote from: cryptonaut on July 25, 2014, 09:14:08 AM

Quote from: Nullu on July 25, 2014, 08:47:47 AM

Java is used quite often in the business industry. You can't argue for a coin's success or failure based on the programming platform, especially when Java and C++ are concerned.

Yes for websites/ games whatever. But you would not create a worldwide decentralized monetary system in java. I bet some school kids put it together after class and put it on bitcointalk as a joke. Too bad some people took it seriously.

C++ = Master Race

Java = Peasants

Enjoy your crap while it lasts because all of those java crap coins will die once people are introduced to EXO (Master Race). Finally I can enjoy military grade security for my investment UNLIKE Nxt. I haven't slept for months thinking someone is going to hack my insecure Nxt account.

Lol anyone who listens to this POS deserves to lose their money.

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