Topic: Exploring the Math Behind Crash - page 2. (Read 508 times)

Well, from the programming point of view, all the mathematical modeling that can be done can be done, and in fact certain patterns can be achieved, because if it is done in a simulator, things can happen, and there is no problem with that, ne the similator things can be seen well, but when it is run inside the program is something else, things do not look so ideal when it is a code, because we do not know at what moment things change suddenly, in the Internal programming must have scripts that allow them to have various ways of cheating and to be able to do something else, it's like when we're in a casino and we think we have the pattern, we start playing, playing and then suddenly everything changes and the ptatron doesn't It is that but another and then it changes, so that is the complication of this, that is why not even the AI can determine the patterns, much less the amount of randomness that there is.

Mathematics within a game is changing, for me there are many things, I don't know if those who saw the mathematics realized that there is a very good and complicated mathematics called game theory, in this matter they explain some of the modeling mathematical applied by programmers, however this is not all, in each game there are always random factors that change the meaning of the game, that is why it is so difficult to determine or find out what is the best pattern for you to try to find out what multiplier the crash game might have, but it is so difficult, because sometimes when the crash is played, a x1 comes out and that is already something that leaves neutral, when the players make a 3x crash bet it is difficult, because many Sometimes the algorithm can give us a surprise by not getting there, although most of the time when we play it is always 5x, 7x, but sometimes things don't work out the way they are, that is the care that must be taken.

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

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What you have ultimately got to understand is, that all these games are run by companies that are not charities. They do not exist to give money away and the fact that they can survive for years should highlight to you that they likely make a lot of money. On top of all the staff they're paying, the servers they host, the advertising that brings in more customers and all the required security to fight off people trying to take them down every day for blackmail - they're even slicing a profit on that. If, somebody was able to calculate a way to defeat these crash games, the casinos running them will adapt very quickly and it will leave you back at square one - being susceptible to the random number generator gods.

Actually, I once played Crash on Stake during a boring afternoon and since I was new at the game I tried to go with a low multiplier strategy, instead risking to go forward and pick a big win. I was not aware of the math behind it but I quickly realized that beating the game and pocketing some money with such strategy was not a good way to go and I would eventually lose all my satoshis. That afternoon I was not feeling confident enough, so I quit after 10 rounds or so.

I must say from my own experience that playing crash and looking how people risked it all for high multipliers and they actually did it on live in front of me, it can only incite to continue playing. It is in my opinion one of the most adrenaline-inducing games in the general catalog of online casinos.  

First of all, a gambling site or provider won't allow such patterns to be easily known and discovered by players 'coz it will yield to loss on their end. Indeed it is just a luck-based game just like others so I don't things pattern would really work on this game. Also if it does, eventually the provider would make an action to stop it 'coz' it will result to loss on their end. Algorithm would work in gambling industry but problem is accessibility in such pattern and avoiding further problems. House will indeed win most of the time. They simply have the money to change the thing which causes th negative outcome. If it works for you then that's good.

You don't really need to understand the math behind crash in order to realise whatever you stated because it's just another gambling game that makes sure that the house always wins in the long-term thanks to the house edge factor.

Some gamblers keep thinking that they found winning strategies just because they won in the short-term which is silly and dumb since those strategies will never work in the long-term.

Good share op though some people might not understand due to weak math skills.

All casino games are unbeatable long-term if you consider an entire userbase of players. Some of them will profit for sure, but the house edge (any house edge) will give the casino more profit than the winnings they have to pay out.

If there was something like a bulletproof game that can make anyone rich, you wouldn't be able to play it in a casino that is interested in taking your money, not giving it to you. It would be outlawed. If you get lucky and win the first time you play, take your money and go. The longer you stay trying to win even more, you increase your chances of losing everything or giving back to the provider a big chunk of your initial win. 

Naturally, if you use the demo mode you can get a large multiplier because the demo mode has a curious effect on gamblers who try the game and even winning big is very easy there.
When playing for real by risking money in your balance it will be more difficult to win big or get a high multiplier as well as what I have experienced so far when trying the Crash game I have never even managed to have a very large multiplier.

As for the strategy, I don't really believe in it because in my opinion, Crash is only supported by luck if you want to win big.

It's interesting how the martingale strategy chart this guy presented has a peak negative EV on the 10th bet before decreasing. Without getting into the math, I thought the negative EV linearly grew with each bet, apparently that's not the case. Whatever the house edge is, crash implicates a lot of hindsight bias. I still enjoy playing it and I've seen a lot of clones on other places. Roobet has the best UI out of all of them.

I have not watched the video yet, but thanks very much for sharing, from reading comments from other users, I know the video must be a very interesting one, i will will it later when i have free time, I am only commenting here to watch this thread so it serves as reminder for me not to forget.

Crash is one of my favorite casino games, I play it a lot but unfortunately, the only time i make anything reasonable out of the game is when i am playing it in demo  mode, the game could go as high as x300, x400 and even higher, but when playing the real game with real money, it hardly replicate such that it did in the demo version, i hope to learn to get a glimpse as to why such happens, through the video, and hope it helps me improve in the game.

Crash IMO is 1 of the worst games out there but people seem to love it. Unless you're running a script, there's not a ton of time between rounds to adjust your bet accordingly and I feel like it rushes the player and in turn players make big mistakes.

The math says play crash= goodbye btc

There is a part of the video where it shows by providing the hash, the next hash is generated which is the same as the Roobets crash result. Though the explanation does not emphasize it. Though I think the video is also reminding us that martingale method won't work on this game since there is a 3% possibility (according to the video) that it will crash in an instant.


I agree, it is clearly stated that crash games is not favorable to the players in the long run.

The video is all about explaining how the math works on determining the result of the crash game. It doesn’t gave any mathematical computation to solve upcoming rounds but rather he is just proving that strategy of betting small on crash games is useless by getting the formula on how crash games result being computed.

This topic is about just exploring the math behind crash game since it has open source code but it doesn’t mean that the future result can be computed using the video tutorial.

Yeah, I agree that the video explained everything in detail, but I must say that there can be some issues with the video because I have seen many players earning a lot of money by betting on Crash game, and they all had their own strategies. The game can be very useful for the ones who are lucky because they can really beat out the mathematics of the game with their luck.

I have seen players who have made more than $10k per bet, and I was also betting during those sessions when I saw those players. I have even saw some players having multiplier of at least 1000x, and yes the player that got the huge multiplier placed many bets before getting a 1000x win. I remember the bet was $2 dollars and the guy earned more than $2k with that bet.

I have personally been unlucky with that game because most of the times I have lost money instead of gaining anything, but I must say that the game is quite addicting, and the ones with low hands will often tend up losing everything instead of getting anything. The luck factor is part of that game as well, but still the mathematics also makes some sense.

I saw the video but I don’t get it? How is it possible that this solution can tell us probability of what is next multiplier? I mean if everyone started using the this strategy then what happens to the house edge and other calculations? Isn’t that is going ti complicate the casino revenu Vs what’s user is earning in the first place. Though I am not maths related person and might be seeing it completely wrong. In the video they also shown that someone used the strategy to earn more than 600k in single crash game. That’s mind wobbling man, how can this be open source and it is still safe?

I have never seen this on youtube. Most of my views and recommendations are all about gambling; this could be a helpful thing to the players, but not all the players could understand this concept if you have a fundamental analysis of the programming language, primarily related to the web, for example, is the JS or javascript you can understand how does the code works, it's good if someone breaking down how does the code work so people could realize those syntax.

I don't think the OP ever said it was possible to beat the game using a high multiplier. True, he said, "with a low multiplier strategy," and instead, he should have said: "with any multiplier strategy." However, if you watch the video, you will understand that this is not about beating the game but mathematically proving that the game is unbeatable in the long run.



I don't think you actually watched the video. 

I didn’t watch the video yet but I can still say that crash game or any game in the casino is unbeatable without watching the video. Crash has a house edge because it has an instantant crash which gives an auto lose on all bets no matter how early your cashout setup. This is same with dice losing at 99.99% winning chance rate. Having this kind of loses while betting small amount will put you already on great disadvantage.

Also casino will not make the game open source code if they are not confident that the game is unbeatable. There’s no way someone can compute the crash algorithm and predict the next multiplier because it’s pure random. I assume the video is just a computation on how crash game determines based on the previous games and not using the future games.

Higher multiplier strategy is better? You are just sharing us the video, I respect that, but have you try crash game yourself? Why believe in what the video is saying when you haven't give it a try first?

I won't buy that idea of using high multiplier, you will keep losing money still, Crash is fun and engaging but it's very annoying additionally, math? Hmm, I just pity anyone that takes this suggestion exceptionally.

Anyway, you tried, thanks for sharing the video but many are familiar with the game and either a low or high multiplier, they all get burned.