Free speech?? Lol! If it means spreading hatred - I will go against it! I don't know about other countries, but in my country, the ruling party uses social media like Facebook and Twitter to spread hate against a particular religious community. But so far whatever I have observed, Facebook has been doing a great job censoring them. Same goes with YouTube, they are alao doing a great job censoring hate contents.
So censorship to a certain extent is also needed. If there's no censorship, the powerful political groups will use social media to push their agendas. That's not desirable.
Topic: Facebook free speech is dead it's time we move to non US social networks - page 2. (Read 265 times)
June 20, 2022, 11:45:22 PM
June 20, 2022, 06:18:05 PM
Facebook not doing much about groups mass reporting contents they don't like is already bad enough but adding "fact-checking" is probably their worst move.
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Where's Elon Musk and his big talk when you need him, eh?
Are you talking about his acquisition of Twitter and the changes he plans to do on the said platform? Probably still securing more funds to meet that $44 billion. News about Twitter becoming more of a free speech social media actually made some of the people I know dropped Facebook and move there. Where's Elon Musk and his big talk when you need him, eh?
June 20, 2022, 05:33:03 PM
Non US nations appear to lack the technical capability, resources and investment capital to deploy large scale social media.
You don't need any outstanding technical capability to make a social network, this isn't some military secret, lol. There are Facebook and Twitter analogues all over the world, like for example Russian Vkontakte, which is very popular in Russia and many of its neighbours, much more than Facebook. They can't become global because of the network effect - there's already global social networks and no room for two.
And if you think that the grass is greener on the other side, then think again - China and Russia do so much surveillance that the US is a bastion of privacy, compared to them.
The actual alternative to social networks owned by companies are decentralized social networks that run on open-source software.
June 20, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
Facebook free speech is dead it's time we move to non US social networks
I can't even remember how frequent I've been on Facebook this recent times all because of the commitment to bitcointalk forum as I've already found myself addicted to it unlike other social media networks, here the community is places us with a good opportunity to progress in life by the pool of threads and numbers of users committed to giving their best contributory advise in discussion on related areas that could help increase human finance and economic lives and if this must be achieved then bitcoin is the alternative to that which is totally decentralized.
June 20, 2022, 04:05:19 PM
China's biggest search engine bing is said to copy google search results, rather than generate their own. Europe has attempted joint development projects, between multiple EU nations, like the eurofighter which fell short of success. Non US nations appear to lack the technical capability, resources and investment capital to deploy large scale social media. Which is one major bottleneck preventing it from becoming a reality. European and asian nations are also subject to super injunctions (court enforced gag orders) and greater regulation of freedom of speech in contrast to the USA.
The harsh truth may be even if social media servers were housed in international waters, outside the jurisdiction of major countries. They still would not escape regulation and laws imposed by major nations. If the servers were located on mars or the moon, outside the reach of regulation. Maybe freedom of speech would have a chance. The way things are now, thepiratebay and others have long tried to escape that net without success.
The harsh truth may be even if social media servers were housed in international waters, outside the jurisdiction of major countries. They still would not escape regulation and laws imposed by major nations. If the servers were located on mars or the moon, outside the reach of regulation. Maybe freedom of speech would have a chance. The way things are now, thepiratebay and others have long tried to escape that net without success.
June 20, 2022, 01:20:12 PM
Facebook free speech is dead it's time we move to non US social networks
“Whether you like Facebook or not, we need to recognize what is at stake and come together to stand for free expression at this critical moment,” he said.
But after being deluged with misinformation about COVID-19, hate, and false claims of election fraud—some of which came directly from then-President Donald Trump—Facebook has all but said: "Nevermind, forget what our CEO said."
Under fire, the company has almost entirely reversed course on its free speech haven by clamping down on hate, increasing penalties for users who repeatedly share misinformation, and linking readers of any post related to COVID-19 to information from government sources.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/04/facebook-free-speech-politicians-policy-newsworthiness-hate-speech-misinformation/
I have already stopped using fb - I don't know but I am switched to twitter already. “Whether you like Facebook or not, we need to recognize what is at stake and come together to stand for free expression at this critical moment,” he said.
But after being deluged with misinformation about COVID-19, hate, and false claims of election fraud—some of which came directly from then-President Donald Trump—Facebook has all but said: "Nevermind, forget what our CEO said."
Under fire, the company has almost entirely reversed course on its free speech haven by clamping down on hate, increasing penalties for users who repeatedly share misinformation, and linking readers of any post related to COVID-19 to information from government sources.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/04/facebook-free-speech-politicians-policy-newsworthiness-hate-speech-misinformation/
Fb and instagram have some strict policies and so does twitter. And also it is good to keep your emotions in control while posting on social media. My 2 cents.
June 20, 2022, 01:09:36 PM
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This perfectly summarizes surveillance capitalism. Anyway, all of the speech restriction is the least of my concerns as far as Facebook is concerned; the reason I don't have a FB account is because of their horrendous privacy-violating policies.
You may not have a Facebook account, but do you also avoid Messenger, WhatsApp and Instagram? If you don't, it's the same as having a Facebook account. All of Meta's products have the same privacy policy, which can be described shortly as:- We store your data, whether you have an account or not.
- We sell your pictures, videos, texts, identity ultimately to advertisers.
- We can read your private messages.
- We know, and sell, your browsing history.
- We store deleted content.
I don't know how anyone could upload personal stuff to that site, but millions of people do, and it's baffling to me.
Personal stuff such as stories, selfies and videos? Indeed. But, stuff like private messages (which aren't private, lol) are needed, to contact your friends, co-workers, employers etc. I don't say there aren't alternatives, but since that's what most people use, you're, essentially, forced to have it too. 
June 20, 2022, 12:51:10 PM
Under fire, the company has almost entirely reversed course on its free speech haven by clamping down on hate, increasing penalties for users who repeatedly share misinformation, and linking readers of any post related to COVID-19 to information from government sources.
Yeah well, that's what happens to social media sites when they're essentially controlled by their advertisers. One could have predicted how they'd turned out before they even came into existence, because the same thing happened with newspapers, television, and everything else that's under corporate control.Anyway, all of the speech restriction is the least of my concerns as far as Facebook is concerned; the reason I don't have a FB account is because of their horrendous privacy-violating policies. I don't know how anyone could upload personal stuff to that site, but millions of people do, and it's baffling to me.
Where's Elon Musk and his big talk when you need him, eh?
June 20, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
There's something people don't understand: you write on their platform. Since it's their platform, they make the rules. In US, you may hear about issues with the freedom of speech. In other countries the "bad" posts are simply removed with no fuss. On their platform, we are just the herd that make them money.
Do you want your posts stay under your control? Keep your computer online 24/7 and self-host a blog or whatever. Then it goes by your rules. Nowadays it should not even be that difficult.
Ah, your posts are not seen by so much people? You have to SEO/advertise it? You have to fight your way against rich platforms? Well, life is not supposed to be easy.
Do you want your posts stay under your control? Keep your computer online 24/7 and self-host a blog or whatever. Then it goes by your rules. Nowadays it should not even be that difficult.
Ah, your posts are not seen by so much people? You have to SEO/advertise it? You have to fight your way against rich platforms? Well, life is not supposed to be easy.
June 20, 2022, 12:32:28 PM
The village idiot was normally the loudest whenever I checked my Facebook feed, that being said you could just unfriend or block them if they were too annoying.
Most popular social media is annoying though as paid content gets boosted the most out of everything and can also lead to misinformation and manipulation of the viewers (which itself can undermine both free speech and democracy).
Most popular social media is annoying though as paid content gets boosted the most out of everything and can also lead to misinformation and manipulation of the viewers (which itself can undermine both free speech and democracy).
June 20, 2022, 12:11:13 PM
Facebook free speech is dead it's time we move to non US social networks
“Whether you like Facebook or not, we need to recognize what is at stake and come together to stand for free expression at this critical moment,” he said.
But after being deluged with misinformation about COVID-19, hate, and false claims of election fraud—some of which came directly from then-President Donald Trump—Facebook has all but said: "Nevermind, forget what our CEO said."
Under fire, the company has almost entirely reversed course on its free speech haven by clamping down on hate, increasing penalties for users who repeatedly share misinformation, and linking readers of any post related to COVID-19 to information from government sources.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/04/facebook-free-speech-politicians-policy-newsworthiness-hate-speech-misinformation/
“Whether you like Facebook or not, we need to recognize what is at stake and come together to stand for free expression at this critical moment,” he said.
But after being deluged with misinformation about COVID-19, hate, and false claims of election fraud—some of which came directly from then-President Donald Trump—Facebook has all but said: "Nevermind, forget what our CEO said."
Under fire, the company has almost entirely reversed course on its free speech haven by clamping down on hate, increasing penalties for users who repeatedly share misinformation, and linking readers of any post related to COVID-19 to information from government sources.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/04/facebook-free-speech-politicians-policy-newsworthiness-hate-speech-misinformation/
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