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legendary
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im neither fighting against you nor the freedom of speech. (just against what you say  Wink )

i just dont like half truths and lies, particularly if it has the goal to divide and incite people to violence and street justice.

there are a lot of news articles about and with nye victims, in international and german news papers - there is no great censoring.

we in germany, based on our history, just have a special responsibility to not act on feelings and without thinking.




What history is germany based on?




shoudnt you ask your friend google or wikipedia by now? Huh


If you could resume the whole history of germany, in a few words... what would it be?




doesnt work. german history (school history) alone comprises of around 1000 years.

but to be precise i was obviously talking about ww2 - but i could go back to the 30 year war or post ww2 germany. a lot of examples.

Hmmm... Germany isn't 1000 years old at all. Why considering the last 1000 years as part of your history?

It's like if the USA would say that they have a 1000 years history just because 1000 years before there were people on the land of America. It's a bit strange no?

Look up the holy roman empire of the german nation.
History goes even more back.
You are just thinking of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland?
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im neither fighting against you nor the freedom of speech. (just against what you say  Wink )

i just dont like half truths and lies, particularly if it has the goal to divide and incite people to violence and street justice.

there are a lot of news articles about and with nye victims, in international and german news papers - there is no great censoring.

we in germany, based on our history, just have a special responsibility to not act on feelings and without thinking.




What history is germany based on?




shoudnt you ask your friend google or wikipedia by now? Huh


If you could resume the whole history of germany, in a few words... what would it be?




doesnt work. german history (school history) alone comprises of around 1000 years.

but to be precise i was obviously talking about ww2 - but i could go back to the 30 year war or post ww2 germany. a lot of examples.

Hmmm... Germany isn't 1000 years old at all. Why considering the last 1000 years as part of your history?

It's like if the USA would say that they have a 1000 years history just because 1000 years before there were people on the land of America. It's a bit strange no?
legendary
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Cheesy

actually a post i can completely agree with you Wink

(even though the context is weird)


I knew you would eventually. I am never wrong

 Smiley


legendary
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 Cheesy

actually a post i can completely agree with you Wink

(even though the context is weird)
legendary
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And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)



Journalist 'groped' in front of live camera in Cologne




Esmeralda Labye. Screen shot: RTBF



A Belgian journalist has said she was groped while on live television at the Cologne Karneval.

“At first they were just making faces behind me. Then a hand landed on my breast. I was was shocked,” said RTBF journalist Esmeralda Labye, describing the incident that took place in the Alter Markt district of town.

The chances of the two men being caught are high - the whole incident was caught on camera. Police are now investigating the case.

A section of the video seen by The Local shows a man of European appearance making lewd gestures behind the reporter. The full video is no longer available online.

"My piece to camera was chaotic, people showing middle fingers, a man who was having fun miming a sex act behind me and above all the hand placed on my breast," Labye said when reporting live in a later news bulletin.

At time of writing, authorities had not released any information about the identity of the men.

The city of Cologne has apologized to Labye.



http://www.thelocal.de/20160205/journalist-groped-in-cologne-on-live-television




drunk european?
did i say in germany everyone is a living jesus?





 Smiley


legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)



Journalist 'groped' in front of live camera in Cologne




Esmeralda Labye. Screen shot: RTBF



A Belgian journalist has said she was groped while on live television at the Cologne Karneval.

“At first they were just making faces behind me. Then a hand landed on my breast. I was was shocked,” said RTBF journalist Esmeralda Labye, describing the incident that took place in the Alter Markt district of town.

The chances of the two men being caught are high - the whole incident was caught on camera. Police are now investigating the case.

A section of the video seen by The Local shows a man of European appearance making lewd gestures behind the reporter. The full video is no longer available online.

"My piece to camera was chaotic, people showing middle fingers, a man who was having fun miming a sex act behind me and above all the hand placed on my breast," Labye said when reporting live in a later news bulletin.

At time of writing, authorities had not released any information about the identity of the men.

The city of Cologne has apologized to Labye.



http://www.thelocal.de/20160205/journalist-groped-in-cologne-on-live-television




drunk european?
did i say in germany everyone is a living jesus?
legendary
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i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.


What would be the threshold of rape cases and sexual assaults you think should be intolerable for the german people, before triggering a massive movement toward a better control of the unknown by your politicians? 500 (done)? 1000? 5000?

The thing is, the next massive sexual assault will not be televised, nor be on social networks, thanks to this new censorship push by merkel.


There will be silence... In that case, I will agree with you regarding WW2 and its silence.

People knew, but kept their mouth shut.

We certainly do not want a repeat of history, do we?




i would say your fear mongering is borderline of paranoid delusions.

i just can repeat that criminals get deported and refugees are refugees.

You are giving me too much power. I am not the entire crew of the BBC, nor RT, nor RTBF. You are free not to believe what they are reporting, while your sisters are getting assaulted.


 Cool


legendary
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i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.

*edit

i just rechecked the numbers and you are correct. my last information was outdated (police changed the number upwards).

here is a interview with the police commander/chief of cologne.

http://www.focus.de/regional/videos/zwiespaeltige-bilanz-begrapschte-moderatorin-und-versuchte-vergewaltigung-polizeichef-spricht-ueber-neuste-erkenntnisse_id_5263956.html

sexcrimes went up to 22 (2 of them grave) from last years 10, less pocket-picking (down to 15% of last years carnival) and acts of violence.
interesting is that woman are now also filing complains about rather small things, the example given:

a doorman asking a woman for a kiss or 25€ to get in the club.


explanation of it are probaly the happenings on nye.

Just to let you know I rarely check back on edited posts. I remember yours because of its previous shorter length. It would be better just to post a follow up of I could be missing it, not in purpose.


 Cool

legendary
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legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.


What would be the threshold of rape cases and sexual assaults you think should be intolerable for the german people, before triggering a massive movement toward a better control of the unknown by your politicians? 500 (done)? 1000? 5000?

The thing is, the next massive sexual assault will not be televised, nor be on social networks, thanks to this new censorship push by merkel.


There will be silence... In that case, I will agree with you regarding WW2 and its silence.

People knew, but kept their mouth shut.

We certainly do not want a repeat of history, do we?




i would say your fear mongering is borderline of paranoid delusions.

i just can repeat that criminals get deported and refugees are refugees.
legendary
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how comes you can talk about mass media censoring of the government in the mass media Huh


The Russian Today (RT) mass media? The BBC mass media? Or ZDF mass media?


legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)



Journalist 'groped' in front of live camera in Cologne




Esmeralda Labye. Screen shot: RTBF



A Belgian journalist has said she was groped while on live television at the Cologne Karneval.

“At first they were just making faces behind me. Then a hand landed on my breast. I was was shocked,” said RTBF journalist Esmeralda Labye, describing the incident that took place in the Alter Markt district of town.

The chances of the two men being caught are high - the whole incident was caught on camera. Police are now investigating the case.

A section of the video seen by The Local shows a man of European appearance making lewd gestures behind the reporter. The full video is no longer available online.

"My piece to camera was chaotic, people showing middle fingers, a man who was having fun miming a sex act behind me and above all the hand placed on my breast," Labye said when reporting live in a later news bulletin.

At time of writing, authorities had not released any information about the identity of the men.

The city of Cologne has apologized to Labye.



http://www.thelocal.de/20160205/journalist-groped-in-cologne-on-live-television


legendary
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how comes you can talk about mass media censoring of the government in the mass media Huh
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)




German official does the math on immigration






legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.


What would be the threshold of rape cases and sexual assaults you think should be intolerable for the german people, before triggering a massive movement toward a better control of the unknown by your politicians? 500 (done)? 1000? 5000?

The thing is, the next massive sexual assault will not be televised, nor be on social networks, thanks to this new censorship push by merkel.


There will be silence... In that case, I will agree with you regarding WW2 and its silence.

People knew, but kept their mouth shut.

We certainly do not want a repeat of history, do we?


legendary
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Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon



Ex-German media boss admits on live radio the national news agenda is govt controlled



 Bryan MacDonald is a journalist. He worked in Dublin for many years, for Ireland on Sunday and the Evening Herald. He was also theatre critic of The Daily Mail for a period and a news, features and opinion writer. He now mainly covers Russia.

If you really want a lesson in how the Western popular press works, this is it.

Without question, Germany is the leading power in Europe. ZDF is its state broadcaster and most popular channel.

Together with sister network ARD; German's are obliged to pay €17.98 per month to fund it.

This week, during a radio event in Berlin, the retired head of ZDF Bonn, Dr Wolfgang Herles, dropped a bombshell. He admitted the network, and others, takes orders from the government on what, and what not, to report.

Now, you'd expect this kind of story to be splashed across the world's press, wouldn't you? A former senior management figure acknowledging that his ex-employers work in tandem with the authorities to control the news agenda in such an important country? If such a revelation was made in a ‘developing' nation, NATO media would be all over it.

Yet, it's not. As I write, only London's Daily Mail and America's Breitbart and RT have bothered to report this amazing story.

The BBC, a carbon copy of ZDF and ARD in Britain, is busy promoting a documentary about a fake Russian invasion of Latvia. Meanwhile, in Germany itself, RT Deutsch and Munich's Focus appear to be the only two significant outlets tackling the revelations. This in a country where the Dresden region was once known as the "valley of the stupid" because Western TV signals couldn't reach much of it during the Cold War.
Well-founded fears

Many people across Europe suspect that most domestic state TV is under fairly direct control of politicians. The BBC, despite its mendacious cultivation of an image of fairness, is a pretty obvious example. It is governed by a Trust, wholly appointed by the Queen on the advice of government ministers of the day. Russia's most popular station, the First Channel, although partially privately owned, is also administered by state appointees.

What makes Herles' outburst so significant is his seniority. Before retiring last year, he was a prominent culture editor and presenter. In the 90's, he hosted his own chat show, ‘Live', and prior to these ventures, he'd been head of ZDF Bonn. At that time, Bonn was the West German capital. It's important to understand that ZDF, while available across Germany, is technically owned by the Bundesländer (states).

Thus, Bonn-based Herles would have had far greater understanding of how German politics worked than most in ZDF's Mainz headquarters, never mind far flung regions.
Turning a blind eye

Since the Cologne sex attacks on New Year’s Eve, there have been strong allegations that German media downplayed, or even ignored, the story. With migrants, predominately Arabic in origin, pouring into the country since last year, highlighting assaults where the alleged perpetrators were of Arab appearance could help turn public opinion against Angela Merkel's “open-borders” policy. On the other hand, ignoring infractions by newcomers serves to keep Germans ignorant about how Berlin's scheme could jeopardize their own safety. A lot of people are, understandably, angry about that.

Herles' admission was prompted by the assertion that ordinary people have lost faith in Germany's tightly-controlled media. "We have the problem that – now I'm mainly talking about the public [state] media – we have closeness to the government," he revealed. "Not only because commentary is mainly in line with the grand coalition (CSU, CDU, and SPD), with the spectrum of opinion, but also because we are completely taken in by the agenda laid down by the political class."

The retired ZDF chief went on to concede that the station took orders on what to broadcast. "The topics about which are reported are laid down by the government," he confessed. Ironically, the Guardian, with no actual evidence, has prominently published numerous allegations of the Kremlin engaging in this practice. However, it ignores a similar assertion about Germany, which is actually backed up by a credible figure.

Of course, it's not just the publicly-owned media; their private counterparts are also far from balanced. Bild Zeitung, Germany's bestselling newspaper, is bound by the charter of its holding company, Axel Springer SE, "to further the unification of Europe." Moreover, it must "support the Transatlantic Alliance, and solidarity with the United States of America in the common values of free nations." Even the fairest editor in the world wouldn't have much leeway under those conditions.
Pan European myopia

As it happens Germany is not alone. Last year, the Times Ireland exposed how Dublin's state-controlled RTE routinely furnishes questions to government ministers before they appear on air. Incredibly, RTE News, currently helmed by controversial British executive Kevin Bakhurst, responded by attempting to smear The Times.

Meanwhile, in Sweden, the fervently liberal Expressen newspaper this week labeled The Daily Mail ‘racist.' The British newspaper's crime? Daring to report facts on the country's migrant crisis that are precluded in Sweden. Because the domestic media refuse to cover negative stories involving migrants, many Swedes are now forced to access British and Russian media to read news about their country.

Right now, the pro-EU press is struggling to control the narrative. Dismissing rival viewpoints as "propaganda" can only work for so long. Furthermore, turning a blind eye to stories that question EU policy is a tougher proposition in the age of social media.

Last year, Germany's Der Spiegel magazine closed online comment threads on all articles about migration. Last week, The Guardian followed suit, blocking all posts related to immigration, Islam and race.

These moves aren't a huge surprise. In recent years, journalists and commentators who refuse to fall-in-line with the liberal European consensus have been increasingly barred from the mainstream media. This stands in marked contrast to previous decades in which debate was actively encouraged and opposing views cherished. Maybe Mikhail Gorbachev wasn't far off when he warned:"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe."


https://www.rt.com/op-edge/331318-german-media-merkel-control/


legendary
Activity: 2464
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i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.

*edit

i just rechecked the numbers and you are correct. my last information was outdated (police changed the number upwards).

here is a interview with the police commander/chief of cologne.

http://www.focus.de/regional/videos/zwiespaeltige-bilanz-begrapschte-moderatorin-und-versuchte-vergewaltigung-polizeichef-spricht-ueber-neuste-erkenntnisse_id_5263956.html

sexcrimes went up to 22 (2 of them grave) from last years 10, less pocket-picking (down to 15% of last years carnival) and acts of violence.
interesting is that woman are now also filing complains about rather small things, the example given:

a doorman asking a woman for a kiss or 25€ to get in the club.


explanation of it are probaly the happenings on nye.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)


Not during new year' eve...

 Wink


yes and we learned from it or are in the process of doing so.
but tbh i cant remember such a situation here in my 30 years. so i can kinda understand why law enforcement and media had such a trouble after nye.

but well in the end it was one of the reasons why this years carnival had more security and below average criminal rates.

im not even sure what you people get from drawing such a wrong picture of germany.



Cologne Carnival: Police record 22 sexual assaults



Police in Cologne have said that 22 incidents of sexual assault occurred in the city on the first night of the traditional Carnival street party.

They have 190 people in custody and officials have described them as "a cross section of the general public".

Security has been beefed up in the city, after many women suffered sexual assaults and robberies there on New Year's Eve.

Germany was shocked by the New Year assaults, largely blamed on migrants.

More than 100 women were victims, but the full scale of events on that night only emerged later.

Police said the number of sex attacks on the first night of Carnival was higher than at last year's event.

A suspect was in custody after a woman was attacked and raped while on her way home, they added.


The city in western Germany has deployed 2,500 police officers for the week-long event, which usually draws 1.5 million visitors.

Turnout is said to be lower than usual despite the extra security, which some officials have attributed to rainy weather.

Enhanced security measures include the use of "body cams" which can film suspects during incidents and are being trialled by German police.

The New Year unrest in the city fuelled German unease about a huge influx of asylum seekers. Authorities spoke of a new type of crime, in which gangs of drunken men - described as North African - targeted women

Migration to Germany from outside the EU soared to a record 1.1 million last year, with Chancellor Angela Merkel criticised for having welcomed so many asylum seekers.

Cologne resident Miriam was attacked as she and a friend made their way home on New Year's Eve.

She said she was going to the Carnival celebrations "but with really mixed feelings".

"I'm wondering if something like that could happen again."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35502223


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legendary
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im neither fighting against you nor the freedom of speech. (just against what you say  Wink )

i just dont like half truths and lies, particularly if it has the goal to divide and incite people to violence and street justice.

there are a lot of news articles about and with nye victims, in international and german news papers - there is no great censoring.

we in germany, based on our history, just have a special responsibility to not act on feelings and without thinking.




What history is germany based on?




shoudnt you ask your friend google or wikipedia by now? Huh


If you could resume the whole history of germany, in a few words... what would it be?




doesnt work. german history (school history) alone comprises of around 1000 years.

but to be precise i was obviously talking about ww2


But to be precise I was obviously trying to tell you you belong to a 1000 years old + culture, with its ups and downs. There was never a good time for your sisters to be groped and rapped, then to have your elites protect the rapists.




legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
im neither fighting against you nor the freedom of speech. (just against what you say  Wink )

i just dont like half truths and lies, particularly if it has the goal to divide and incite people to violence and street justice.

there are a lot of news articles about and with nye victims, in international and german news papers - there is no great censoring.

we in germany, based on our history, just have a special responsibility to not act on feelings and without thinking.




What history is germany based on?




shoudnt you ask your friend google or wikipedia by now? Huh


If you could resume the whole history of germany, in a few words... what would it be?




doesnt work. german history (school history) alone comprises of around 1000 years.

but to be precise i was obviously talking about ww2 - but i could go back to the 30 year war or post ww2 germany. a lot of examples.
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