Topic: [FACT] WAVES = ICO SCAM - page 2. (Read 7732 times)

Ahh ok thanks & hopefully we got it right
And i agree with what you said too.

It reminds me of Cryptsy who made glorious statements about their uber secure cold storage..
..which was hacked 

Basically, the convoluted scheme that has been sold to the ICO purchasers, is somehow the Wavesplatform is going to run as a "decentralized" exchange. Supposedly, customers will get to convert their BTC, other selected alts, and fiat into tokens that can be traded on the Wavesplatform. All transactions and exchanges will cost the customer Wave tokens as the fee. Somehow, this is supposed to more secure than a centralized exchange, because the customer will have the private keys for all of their "tokens." It's really a crock of shit. The real BTC, alts and fiat will still be under the control of some entity run by the Waves teams. What use will these USD tokens and BTC tokens be if somehow this entity's cold wallets get "hacked" or somehow, someone "hacks" into their fiat bank account? The tokens that the customer bought that now reside on the WAVESplatform blockchain will be worthless, even though the customer will still have the private keys.  
Their whitepaper is somewhat vague, so I may have it all wrong. But I think that I have the jist of the vaporware being sold to people right now.

PLEASE allow me to get this topic back on track people (NOW 2.0 = fixed a lot of spelling)
..some food for thought on WAVES !


It needs time for unlimited marketing ? uhh for what ?
No seriously, what in the hell does Waves even do ? I have no clue !
The world is going to come clamoring to bitcointalk to buy 100% premined ICO tokens from your bags why now ?

Let's consider what "IT" really is and then lets realistically gauge the value the public has or will have for it.
And then this has to be tied to it's security, functionality, intent and fairness etc.

For example,
- How useful or NEEDED is the thing in question for the general public (now or later)
- How secure & fair will they consider an ICO app's "platform scheme token" ?

If it is no where near useful for it's intended purpose then why is it posted as an ICO then ?
Did it occur to you all that maybe the exchanges should be SELLING "tokens" when..
..the car you bought ACTUALLY drives ?

If this all *NOW* just amounts to Crypto-Kickstarter then what happens what a coin like WAVES
collects your REAL MONEY for ICO scam tokens then fails on it's future promises ?
What happens people ?
YOU KNOW !
You go broke and the douche bag dev's & friends walk off with millions.
And since this is NOT the stock market they have no SEC or FINCEN etc hunting them.
Kickstarter ?
I watched ALL OF YOU dive on BlockNET way back (another million dollar $ scammy ICO)
And i waited silently dropping the matter and came back in a year
and guess how many of you were asking about the progress of the intended platform / service etc ?
Probably less than 1%  

You are caught red-handed guys.. you have no retorts to play.. and the public sees it clearly !

I could go on but, i am trying to get all of YOU to "go on"
I am far more interested in getting people to stop for a second and think carefully.
Because it does not seem like you are all doing that.

You all just seem to be swept up in greed hysteria foaming at the mouth over the prospects
of a digital ICO token get-rich-quick scheme.. regardless of what it is.
Like is it a currency ? NO then what are you doing here ? Was it Bitcoin that got you here ?

And why are you all supporting these ICO schemes that are NOT a currency..
in order to get something else a currency Bitcoin / FIAT ?
Wait, i answered my own question above.
Profit ..this isn't the stock exchange(s) though so that is a huge FAIL !

Then lets go right back to fairness and security..
how fair is it saying you are going to 100% premine a coin then put it on a centralized exchange
..for profit ?

"utility" ? Do exchanges provide some part of the coins intended purpose ?

How many of you use your ICO tokens like Waves or ETH etc at places OTHER than Poloniex etc ?
..if you have no other use for them why the hell would the general public then ?

And how secure are these 100% premined scammy profit pyramid scheme tokens ?
Ever heard of DAO ?
Secure ?
ICO tokens are no safe & secure "investment" vehicle.
They are a beyond volatile scammy "investments" the SEC issued a fraud warning alert about
..for a reason !

If you wall want to talk about REAL honest legit clean & proper investments then lets talk.
But don't sit there and spoon feed me yet more moronic scammy ICO retorts,
trying to claim these digital-ponzi-tokens are NOT nothing but Pyramid Schemes.

You all CHOOSE to spew dumb bullshit so you can make money off it with these scammy ICO's.
You all know damn well you have no real NEED for a block chain platforms or app's or smart contracts..
JUST BECAUSE they were added to a block-chain codes wise.

You are all playing dumb.. crying FUD for bucks $ (real bucks AKA: Real Money)
How do i know ? Because you all probably took REAL MONEY out of your bank to "invest" with.
And no tacking on mining to your scammy shit scheme token scam does not make it legit..
It was still a scammy ICO launch.
That stupid stunt Butterin pulled was like..
A bank robber telling you later he donated some of the money to good causes. LOL
Yeah ? uhhmm so fucking what  

Many of you here actually can not even read.
Which is a pity because that is where you are warned.

Sorry i hate to be so insulting but..
Most of you in Crypto are deceitful, stupid, brain damaged, corrupt or Mentally Ill or suffer from ADD.

All you will see here is, where does it show me a chart on how much profit i am gonna make it ?
Then proceed to run around defending what ever you invested in pyramid scheme you are participating in.

At the end of the day you are stuck here ..crying FUD for bucks $
Because the general public sees what i see or they would ALREADY be here in the MILLIONS (along with us)
But they are not ! So you are not fooling anyone !

There is almost 1 million user accounts created here.
And there is an estimated 2,300 user online at once daily.
So who in the fuck is it that created a BILLION DOLLAR market cap for ETH ?
Or paid a few million for Waves etc etc ?
Those 2,300 people in all of crypto must be pretty dumb rich huh ?  

Who cares as long as i make ANY amount of profit ?
Fine.. let me know how that works out for you.. you HAVE been warned of the MANY risks.

Maybe it's time Crypto grew up and acted it's age, it's been 7 years.
Childish ? ..or dumb / delusional ?
Why the hell do you all think all my comments are so long ?
It's like explaining why things are bad to children who never "get it"

One thing is for sure, there are consequences for your actions .

That trust rating accusation came from VOD.
He left me that AFTER i posted info i found on Google highlighting *HIS* Pedo accusations.
So he did it back to me right afterwards (but with out proof)
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255
So.. he did that to get back at me.

I also made this topic.. [NSFW] [XXX] Up & Cummers AFTER he made his accusations.. i found it funny  
You will note i posted no nude pictures and provided no links to X rated content.
I simply named some girls that were in porn these days *legally* (all ages verified)
There is no such thing as any PROOF of Pedo crap with me.
It has only been thrown at me here at Bitcointalk by childish grown men who have personal issues with me.

I wish i could take credit for being some "devine level" Troll
I'd feel gratified with a sense of accomplishment.. but alas
All i tried to do was talk about Crypto Coins.
And apparently i managed to get a rise out of a few you and clearly struck a nerve.
Me thinks someone has some bags here ..i have tarnished with my Evil FUD LOL

Anyway go nuts i don't care what ya all post..have fun  

The name of the website you looked up is "Barely Legal", meaning they are at least 18.  I think kiddie porn is VERY different than what you desribe, but hey maybe in your eyes there is no difference between an 11 y/o and an 18 y/o.  To the rest of us you are The biggest Scum on the Earth.

Now to keep it on YOUR crazy diluted topic, could you actually provide us some real proof there is a scam going on or is it going to be a thread with lots of circumstantial evidence and conspiracy theories?

Your comments are stupid and worthless crap..
You contributed no information but instead tried to *insult* me.
But you failed because i am not insulted.. sorry.
I said here years ago, i am bullet proof & take all comers.

Why did i create this topic ?
People have been warning me about various things going on with WAVES.
If you look at that picture earlier it shows a Waves forum guy trying to explain
..*after* the fact.
Get it yet boys ?

How do you define a scam around here ?
I would say by all the stuff that has been coming to light about this so called "coin"
Is my definition unfair or inaccurate ?
If so why has no one tried to refute our claims and simply resorted to calling me a Pedo etc ?
Besides.. even if i liked young girls does that make WAVES legit ?

Oh and guess what ?
Alexa Rank for, www.barelylegal.com = 261,698
So it would seem a few other people like "young" girls too

Anyway if you all have something to say about the topic then have at 'er LOL
If you have personal issues with me ?
May i suggest paying for some time on a shrinks couch to ball your eyes out like a bitch ?

LOL you whiny little suck-holes REALLY don't like getting your hand caught in the cookie jar do you ?

Spoetnik- Just another tool -

I changed this thread title to the correct one

Did you just make this thread to bitch?

WOW crying FUD / Troll ? ..nice try scam supporter.  

So let's get into this then shall we ?

Go ahead and tell us all what in the god damn flying fuck does this mean ?


and


Uhhh WOW buddy is your other crack pipe a fucking dick ?
Take the cock out of your ass so we can hear your shit talk easier and then explain PROPERLY !
"Start a new topic when they decide to do so" ? Are you fucking shitting me ?

WE DO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HENCE THE TOPIC DUMB FUCK
Why do you think i got PM's about this shit lately ?
Why do you think that random noob showed up with a picture earlier ?
Here i will re-post it for him since he can not embed images..




So tell us what does that say about "warning" ..can you read FUD baby crying Troll whiner ?
Easy to whine and cry like a fucking bitch AFTER you took a front on us for MILLIONS.
..in exchange for worthless scammy ICO (not a currency) scheme tokens.

You are the one Trolling and posting FUD on my topic not the other way around.

Even if this was an actual legit fairly distributed NON-ICO "CURRENCY"
All of that shit would be HIGHLY scammy behavior !
AND YOU KNOW IT !
If the Litecoin or Bitcoin teams pulled any of that shit the public would erupt with anger big time.
So cut the stupid crap.

When you post comments that fucking stupid you should be demoted.
If this was my forum i would knock you down to "Hero" member.
Bcause you clearly know fuck all about Crypto kid.

Crying FUD / Troll ..a sign of guilt.  

Your figures are outdated. They moved 2500 BTC to 3BPrbYMyzgb6BZHHKFrsETBwtYzLqoXcgr, today. Also, I don't think that your investors originally interpreted that the buy support would be below the ICO price. Is that the WAVES team moving some of their 9 million WAVES tokens to Bittrex to suppress the price down to their lowball buyback walls?

Well, let me think about it

(ICO address)13891 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA
+
10000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/35fe2CM2zbMeSfhRjpjW8ikTJcZj8NooFD
+

At the moment spent only 1k btc for buy back. (≈3M Waves)

Of course, full report will be provided about how the funds were spent.

You've been here long enough to know that most ICOs don't work out for the better. In fact, most alts in general don't work out for the better. You can scream FUD all that you want, but you know very well that it's always better to err on the side of caution. I'm glad for you that the Waves team has gained your CONfidence. You do realize that the WAVES investors right now are in a totally vulnerable position when the only node processing transactions, is owned by the WAVES team. People are concerned about a 51% attack, but at the moment, the WAVES team has 100% of the control. I doubt Bittrex or the other exchanges that have access to the full node are going to come to the rescue if the WAVES team decides to do whatever they want with the blockchain.
Also, on the thread they locked, I think it is interesting that the OP used to have the address for the escrow account. They managed to edit that out before locking the thread. Here is the original escrow account address for those interested. https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA

So much trolling and fud in here. They made announcement of making own community and also will announce on here and start a new topic once they decide on when to do so. Love it when trolls come out to say hello and spread so much fud and do not know what is going on other than to troll hard and know nothing.

that bounty.... shame.
waves team definitely didnt know what they were doing, and still got 30k bitcoin.

i should stop working and launch my scam ico coin.

Not surprisingly, as is usually the case ICO)
Especially when during his handed out also bounty )

Keepin' it real dawg

PS:
No bloody joke.. ICO.. hype.. dumping.. topic locked.

Keep buying scammy ICO scheme tokens boys.. that is smart  

Translation, scorex isn't production ready and might never be. Yet millions were given to a team to develop this. A team quite different from the hoskinson team who invented it. Did hoskinson team ask for millions? Nope.

One can only conclude that this is a money grab

Spoetnik    my FUD nigga

The price on the markets is at ico price or slightly below. Anyone can buy and participate in this great open source project. Spoetnik aren't you a coder? If you really are I know that you'd love the Scorex framework and what is being coded there right now.


p.s. regarding the smart contracts I read the following (https://blog.wavesplatform.com/faq-7664c1d1b1bf#.rb4n3hwiv):
Q: What is the difference between Waves and Ethereum?
A: We are just the opposite to Ethereum probably. What they do is develop Bitcoin scripting, do everything using contracts, it’s very fundamental but makes certain things very complicated. We took another road, where things are simpler, very easy to add all functionality you need using plug-ins, don’t have to code complicated contracts. Also our focus is on mass adoption, we’re specifically target two markets : fiat transfers on blockchain and crowdfunding on blockchain. They are very ripe for disruption, and we’ll be offering a product for a very general audience, basically the main end-user client is just a plugin you can install from Chrome or FF store