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Topic: 🍀 FAIR BETS 🍀 - New PvP bitcoin Lottery (Read 332 times)

newbie
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Have you tried playing here before? What advantages does this site have?
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
The first wagering contest is finished! Congratulation to our winners!!!
I saw on the last leaderboard the wager from them is not too high but if i may to suggest daily or weekly contests is more good so people don't have to wait till one month to get the prize however today i want to register but i could not find usual register form such as common gambling sites have it and why required to register use our social media because i personally more likely to register not using social media account
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
The first wagering contest is finished! Congratulation to our winners!!!
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 22, 2019, 03:09:41 AM
#31
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are you using random number generator like this one = https://pinetools.com/random-number-generator
and being honest here = are you using bots for the meantime? or are all real players -about 105 player atm?
I can't tell you anything about random number generator, I'm not developer. I only know that is simple.
We are not using any bots. All registered users are real people, most of them got their bonus and played 2-3 games and that was all of their activity. And we have only 95 registered users.
Try to register and see the activity on the site. It can be only 1-3 games per hour or less. What bots are you talking about?

Means that your game is not provably fair because you cant tell us the details on how you draw the winners. If you are not developer, so who are you? Owner of this site? If you are owner of this site, how cant you explain something important about your own game? Even if you are not developer, you should know how your own game works. It will be logic if you cant explain it because you are not even one of fair.bets team members.
I already explained how generator works and how draw the winners, read previos posts. I was asked what exact generator we used and I answered that I dont know. Yes, I'm the owner but not developer. I know that our game is fair and players who joined see this.
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 1354
September 22, 2019, 01:25:19 AM
#30
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are you using random number generator like this one = https://pinetools.com/random-number-generator
and being honest here = are you using bots for the meantime? or are all real players -about 105 player atm?
I can't tell you anything about random number generator, I'm not developer. I only know that is simple.
We are not using any bots. All registered users are real people, most of them got their bonus and played 2-3 games and that was all of their activity. And we have only 95 registered users.
Try to register and see the activity on the site. It can be only 1-3 games per hour or less. What bots are you talking about?

Means that your game is not provably fair because you cant tell us the details on how you draw the winners. If you are not developer, so who are you? Owner of this site? If you are owner of this site, how cant you explain something important about your own game? Even if you are not developer, you should know how your own game works. It will be logic if you cant explain it because you are not even one of fair.bets team members.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 21, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
#29
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The winner gets 90% of common bets fund. The commission is taken from all bets, except the winner. You will get 0.0109 BTC.

It's not the brightest idea to have essentially a 10% house edge imposed.

There is already a lack of incentive for anyone to seriously consider your site as somewhere to regularly place bets, given the lack of liquidity of your books; and you're fuelling that by taking an absurd cut.

Another thing that I would point out is that this sort of game mode has been done before and has been proven to be unpopular.

Inactivity + P2P isn't a good mix, in my opinion. A relatively inactive casino in which the player bets against the house could still be successful, since whales are still able to bet against the house. However, an inactive p2p casino virtually never attracts any bets. Maybe add other game modes as well, in which the player is able to vs. the house directly.
Of course, we will add other game modes. For example, the hi-lo mode is initially presented on the site.
hero member
Activity: 1666
Merit: 753
September 21, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
#28
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The winner gets 90% of common bets fund. The commission is taken from all bets, except the winner. You will get 0.0109 BTC.

It's not the brightest idea to have essentially a 10% house edge imposed.

There is already a lack of incentive for anyone to seriously consider your site as somewhere to regularly place bets, given the lack of liquidity of your books; and you're fuelling that by taking an absurd cut.

Another thing that I would point out is that this sort of game mode has been done before and has been proven to be unpopular.

Inactivity + P2P isn't a good mix, in my opinion. A relatively inactive casino in which the player bets against the house could still be successful, since whales are still able to bet against the house. However, an inactive p2p casino virtually never attracts any bets. Maybe add other game modes as well, in which the player is able to vs. the house directly.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 21, 2019, 06:11:17 AM
#27
I saw same people played on room 1 and 2 at same time, how he/she do that?
I just played at room 1 and got lossed, at same people at room 2.
It is easy, it is the same that you will play several tables in poker. You may play in all rooms at the same time. The rooms are independent of each other.
sr. member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 388
September 21, 2019, 05:53:44 AM
#26
I saw same people played on room 1 and 2 at same time, how he/she do that?
I just played at room 1 and got lossed, at same people at room 2.
Ucy
sr. member
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Merit: 403
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September 20, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
#25
You said nothing about provable fair which is an important feature of online gambling. You should also consider buying the copper badge if you want to be taken seriously as newbie. I guess you have images to include in this post but couldn't due to your rank limitation. Copper badge solves this...
sr. member
Activity: 2506
Merit: 368
September 20, 2019, 06:07:44 PM
#24
Game mechanics

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How to play and what is the point?
The bottom line is that several players make their bets which makes up the total prize pool in a choosen room, after 30 seconds one player (winnwer) gets all funds from the prize pool (the winner is chosen randomly). The higher the player’s total bet, the more chances he has to win. The countdown begins after bets from two players.


How can we sure about fairness? (we arent playing against house bots/accounts? ) I do even highly doubt that those top 50 wagerers arent real ones.
This seems to stir up something if we don't even know if it is a real player or bots. The mechanics is the problem here because it's like fooling them to believe they were against players and not bots. OP please answer how can we be so sure that we aren't playing against bots?

You can not distinguish bots from real people? If someone constantly wins, then this will immediately become clear. And who will play with us after that?
No offense but I don't know if I have to believe in you but I'm still having a doubt because it doesn't clearly give me the right reasons not to be doubtful. I know how bots work depending on the developer how they set the codes per action. Maybe I will need to look more reviews from the previous players to feel certain that there isn't any bots or so.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 20, 2019, 05:44:15 PM
#23
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are you using random number generator like this one = https://pinetools.com/random-number-generator
and being honest here = are you using bots for the meantime? or are all real players -about 105 player atm?
I can't tell you anything about random number generator, I'm not developer. I only know that is simple.
We are not using any bots. All registered users are real people, most of them got their bonus and played 2-3 games and that was all of their activity. And we have only 95 registered users.
Try to register and see the activity on the site. It can be only 1-3 games per hour or less. What bots are you talking about?
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 20, 2019, 05:30:05 PM
#22
Game mechanics

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How to play and what is the point?
The bottom line is that several players make their bets which makes up the total prize pool in a choosen room, after 30 seconds one player (winnwer) gets all funds from the prize pool (the winner is chosen randomly). The higher the player’s total bet, the more chances he has to win. The countdown begins after bets from two players.


How can we sure about fairness? (we arent playing against house bots/accounts? ) I do even highly doubt that those top 50 wagerers arent real ones.
This seems to stir up something if we don't even know if it is a real player or bots. The mechanics is the problem here because it's like fooling them to believe they were against players and not bots. OP please answer how can we be so sure that we aren't playing against bots?

You can not distinguish bots from real people? If someone constantly wins, then this will immediately become clear. And who will play with us after that?
legendary
Activity: 3122
Merit: 1102
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
September 20, 2019, 05:27:16 PM
#21
Game mechanics

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How to play and what is the point?
The bottom line is that several players make their bets which makes up the total prize pool in a choosen room, after 30 seconds one player (winnwer) gets all funds from the prize pool (the winner is chosen randomly). The higher the player’s total bet, the more chances he has to win. The countdown begins after bets from two players.


How can we sure about fairness? (we arent playing against house bots/accounts? ) I do even highly doubt that those top 50 wagerers arent real ones.
This seems to stir up something if we don't even know if it is a real player or bots. The mechanics is the problem here because it's like fooling them to believe they were against players and not bots. OP please answer how can we be so sure that we aren't playing against bots?

more then likely since it is a new lottery site, he has bots deployed just to get it started. but distinguishing from bots to real players, hard one. only the developer can identify based on their info.

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And regarding provable fairness, can the dev add the explanation on the faq section how it is being determined in this game?

The winner is determined by ordinary random. There are no complicated schemes and algorithms. Let's say there are 99 red balls and one green in the lottery drum. The chance of a red drop is 99%, but 1% is also likely. We work the same way if your bet is 100 satoshi and your opponent’s bet is 900 satoshi, then your chance of winning will be 10%

Just register and play 1-2 games with welcome bonus, you will see everything for yourself.

are you using random number generator like this one = https://pinetools.com/random-number-generator
and being honest here = are you using bots for the meantime? or are all real players -about 105 player atm?
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 20, 2019, 05:21:17 PM
#20
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And regarding provable fairness, can the dev add the explanation on the faq section how it is being determined in this game?

The winner is determined by ordinary random. There are no complicated schemes and algorithms. Let's say there are 99 red balls and one green in the lottery drum. The chance of a red drop is 99%, but 1% is also likely. We work the same way if your bet is 100 satoshi and your opponent’s bet is 900 satoshi, then your chance of winning will be 10%

Just register and play 1-2 games with welcome bonus, you will see everything for yourself.
sr. member
Activity: 2506
Merit: 368
September 20, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
#19
Game mechanics

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How to play and what is the point?
The bottom line is that several players make their bets which makes up the total prize pool in a choosen room, after 30 seconds one player (winnwer) gets all funds from the prize pool (the winner is chosen randomly). The higher the player’s total bet, the more chances he has to win. The countdown begins after bets from two players.


How can we sure about fairness? (we arent playing against house bots/accounts? ) I do even highly doubt that those top 50 wagerers arent real ones.
This seems to stir up something if we don't even know if it is a real player or bots. The mechanics is the problem here because it's like fooling them to believe they were against players and not bots. OP please answer how can we be so sure that we aren't playing against bots?
legendary
Activity: 3122
Merit: 1140
September 20, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
#18
Game mechanics

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How to play and what is the point?
The bottom line is that several players make their bets which makes up the total prize pool in a choosen room, after 30 seconds one player (winnwer) gets all funds from the prize pool (the winner is chosen randomly). The higher the player’s total bet, the more chances he has to win. The countdown begins after bets from two players.


How can we sure about fairness? (we arent playing against house bots/accounts? ) I do even highly doubt that those top 50 wagerers arent real ones.
hero member
Activity: 2744
Merit: 588
September 20, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
#17
So how exactly is this PvP? I really don't see how the players are playing against one another with this game, seems like they are just playing against the house with a differential odds system.

I don't think you are right about this, the players are playing against one another but the house that's the game has some control on it,  like they said in the post that it's not hundred percent provably fair


The common problem with pvp lottery is the number of players that will always be online at any given moment of time.
This type of lottery service from what I've seen is very hard to sustain.
The dev should think outside the box the strategies on how to address the longevity of this site.

And regarding provable fairness, can the dev add the explanation on the faq section how it is being determined in this game?
member
Activity: 560
Merit: 14
September 20, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
#16
So how exactly is this PvP? I really don't see how the players are playing against one another with this game, seems like they are just playing against the house with a differential odds system.

I don't think you are right about this, the players are playing against one another but the house that's the game has some control on it,  like they said in the post that it's not hundred percent provably fair
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
September 20, 2019, 01:12:30 PM
#15
Something is wrong with the website. At first it did not load, but it could be a small thing on my side. When it did, some things were clearly missing. First of all, the website's design does not look professional, and this is, unfortunately, one of the main factors that people take into account while evaluating websites. Oh, right, the images of the flags did not load (the ones in the footer of the main page). And translations to the languages I know sound like machine translations. IMO it's better to have only English than other languages translated by an engine. People can manually make Google translate for them. If you actually paid someone to make the translations, I am sorry, but you were scammed.
I think, some problems on your side, all works well. And you are right it is just google translate. In future it will be fixed. And sure we plan to renew disign, but we do not want to overload it with animation and js, all must be simple.
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