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legendary
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March 05, 2015, 01:24:14 PM
#68
It honestly depends on how close we attribute Bitcoin to gold.

Gold can only be predicted with respect to total store, and potentially chemically recreated one for mass production (bear with me on the Sci-Fi a little, I know it may sound stupid, but there is a point - even if it may be incorrect).

Knowing that gold's future supply is variable (as we we use the rate at which we mine it, and the amount we have mined at this rate to predict further stores, AS WELL as the sci-fi point mentioned above), we have to stipulate that Bitcoin has a different context surrounding its valuation.

We know how many maximum bitcoin there will be (in real terms obviously, not nominal terms), we also know that LESS THAN all bitcoin will be recovered (due to losses of wallets and etc.). This FIXED and SMALLER supply has a much different future discount property than the variable nature of what we might perceive our perpetual gold stores to be in the future (again, if we can manufacture that stuff, the model of comparison breaks down).

At this point, to keep it simple and not foray into the territory of delusion (aka my sci-fi comment), we should just take it that the fair value is unknown and that the gold comparison is too linear.

I will add in my opinion that I believe bitcoin is undervalued for the fact that there has been more activity in the sphere despite the lower price, and that if you aggregate the salaries of the talent pursuing the industry as well as the opportunity costs of the venture capitalists supporting them, then the price of bitcoin is not as high as it should be. Furthermore, there is a higher level of acceptance for bitcoin from big 1% companies (microsoft for example) than there was at the same time last year when the price was higher. Add to this that the current drop in price since December 2013 though large, in relation to prior drops (I remember when it went to $8 like two-three years ago) is actually smaller in magnitude and therefore implies a lesser degree of volatility.

That's my two cents, please give me some activity points LOL.
Bitcoin can't be related to gold. Ever. Bitcoin is a FIAT without its own value. Gold is something natural. There is no correlation within these elements at all.
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March 05, 2015, 01:08:56 PM
#67
Most of you don't seem to understand what "fair price" means. There's fair price and then there's market price.

This is valuing Bitcoin as if it were a company and the equipment used to secure and distribute transactions are the assets.

Your idea that we shouldn't even be using fiat is off-topic.

The valuation is accurate, Bitcoin is currently undervalued.

I agree with you with what your saying.  What I don't agree is what Fair price is for.  Market price in my mind is always the fair price because that is what you can buy/sell it for at a given time.  Fair Price is a speculation of what someone thinks it is worth, and to me that is worthless

It simply isn't. Fair price is certainty, market price is speculation.

Going to disagree with you there completely.  Fair price is:

In accounting and economics, fair value is a rational and unbiased estimate of the potential market price of a good, service, or asset. It takes into account such objective factors as: acquisition/production/distribution costs, replacement costs, or costs of close substitutes.

This means that fair price POTENTIAL to be worth something, or it COULD, in the future be worth that, Again, it is a speculation of what the market price is and what it could be.



That's not what it means. It says potential market price because market price is unpredictable and based on human behavior. Fair price is based on factual evidence and rational logic.

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Let me give you an example. You and a buddy are neighbors in some remote place. You grow pears in 1 acre, he grows apples in 1 acre. At the end of the grow you and him like to trade some so you both have apples and pears. This season brought you 200 pears and him 400 apples. Fair price has it that you would give him 1 pear for each 2 apples. But, your buddy gives you some long story about how his wife hates pears and convinces you to give him 1 pear for each 1 apple, this is market price.
hero member
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March 05, 2015, 12:49:03 PM
#66
Most of you don't seem to understand what "fair price" means. There's fair price and then there's market price.

This is valuing Bitcoin as if it were a company and the equipment used to secure and distribute transactions are the assets.

Your idea that we shouldn't even be using fiat is off-topic.

The valuation is accurate, Bitcoin is currently undervalued.

I agree with you with what your saying.  What I don't agree is what Fair price is for.  Market price in my mind is always the fair price because that is what you can buy/sell it for at a given time.  Fair Price is a speculation of what someone thinks it is worth, and to me that is worthless

It simply isn't. Fair price is certainty, market price is speculation.

Going to disagree with you there completely.  Fair price is:

In accounting and economics, fair value is a rational and unbiased estimate of the potential market price of a good, service, or asset. It takes into account such objective factors as: acquisition/production/distribution costs, replacement costs, or costs of close substitutes.

This means that fair price POTENTIAL to be worth something, or it COULD, in the future be worth that, Again, it is a speculation of what the market price is and what it could be.

full member
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March 05, 2015, 12:45:51 PM
#65
Most of you don't seem to understand what "fair price" means. There's fair price and then there's market price.

This is valuing Bitcoin as if it were a company and the equipment used to secure and distribute transactions are the assets.

Your idea that we shouldn't even be using fiat is off-topic.

The valuation is accurate, Bitcoin is currently undervalued.

I agree with you with what your saying.  What I don't agree is what Fair price is for.  Market price in my mind is always the fair price because that is what you can buy/sell it for at a given time.  Fair Price is a speculation of what someone thinks it is worth, and to me that is worthless

It simply isn't. Fair price is certainty, market price is speculation.
hero member
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March 05, 2015, 12:38:00 PM
#64
Most of you don't seem to understand what "fair price" means. There's fair price and then there's market price.

This is valuing Bitcoin as if it were a company and the equipment used to secure and distribute transactions are the assets.

Your idea that we shouldn't even be using fiat is off-topic.

The valuation is accurate, Bitcoin is currently undervalued.

I agree with you with what your saying.  What I don't agree is what Fair price is for.  Market price in my mind is always the fair price because that is what you can buy/sell it for at a given time.  Fair Price is a speculation of what someone thinks it is worth, and to me that is worthless
full member
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March 05, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
#63
Most of you don't seem to understand what "fair price" means. There's fair price and then there's market price.

This is valuing Bitcoin as if it were a company and the equipment used to secure and distribute transactions are the assets.

Your idea that we shouldn't even be using fiat is off-topic.

The valuation is accurate, Bitcoin is currently undervalued.
sr. member
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March 05, 2015, 11:19:08 AM
#62
Bitcoin already seems to be fair at it's price.
Also, 1 BTC will always be = 1 BTC however much it is valued at, so instead of going for fiat, I would prefer a stable price at which we will be able to spend our BTC and don't regret if a price hike happens the next minute, which I am sure nobody wants...

This is a wise statement 1 btc will always be 1btc the price people try to put on it are just them trying to force a price on something that already has a price as said above 1btc is 1btc. Why do we want to put fake paper money on something world changing like btc, them habbits need to die hard fk paper fake central bank debts as a value just be happy with have this chance whatever the value.

Hat of to Satoshi!!
legendary
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March 05, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
#61
Fair price for 1 satoshi in fiat scrip is this:



It is unethical to endorse violence-backed fiat by accepting it in trade for private keys.
In rational self-interest terms, it is also quite stupid to accept the value of national fiat for everyone except the people printing it and their close friends.

The miracle of fiat is that the governments of these nations have convinced millions of people that they are their close friends. The miracle is that people believe this.
The miracle of bitcoin is that it represents mathematically provable truth based money. This antidote is being injected into a society of deceit.

I'm gonna jerk off right now. Thanks bud. Really. Smiley)
legendary
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!!! RiSe aBovE ThE StoRm !!!
March 05, 2015, 08:41:52 AM
#60
Bitcoin already seems to be fair at it's price.
Also, 1 BTC will always be = 1 BTC however much it is valued at, so instead of going for fiat, I would prefer a stable price at which we will be able to spend our BTC and don't regret if a price hike happens the next minute, which I am sure nobody wants...
Q7
sr. member
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March 05, 2015, 08:10:54 AM
#59
Without looking at the formula, it's certainly still undervalued considering the potential for growth and for world wide mainstream adoption, years down the road. If you consider the market size of existing money remittance service, it should be far higher than that. that is the area where I see bitcoin will most likely excel at.
legendary
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March 05, 2015, 05:29:33 AM
#58

With the ability to short coming into play over the last year its one of the reasons we are lower than expected.  It was something new that everyone wanted to try out and it timed very well with a bear market.  Perhaps we'd be still $500-$600 else.
legendary
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March 05, 2015, 05:26:52 AM
#57
So, some whales suppress the price and eat as much bitcoins as they want and then burn the sparkle?
tss
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March 05, 2015, 01:56:36 AM
#56
makes no difference to me nor alot of other members here.  why is everyone so obsessed with the price of bitcoin without buying any.  those that want high prices are just waiting to sell.  enjoy the low prices and buy.
sr. member
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March 04, 2015, 10:38:42 PM
#55
First of all, I said "I would like to see", I didn't make any prediction, whereas you not only made a prediction, you stated it as if it were fact.

Anyway the reason I would not be surprised with exponential growth is based on the possible displacement of several trillion dollar markets, such as gold.

Well, that is a good point if just some of the gold investors decided to hope onto the bitcoin train then it would really be a train lol

We would not need many of them to notice a big difference and where that would take us is unknown to me but it would be pretty exciting time in bitcoin.
We need all investors to hop on the Bitcoin train, it would be really amazing.
sr. member
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March 04, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
#54
First of all, I said "I would like to see", I didn't make any prediction, whereas you not only made a prediction, you stated it as if it were fact.

Anyway the reason I would not be surprised with exponential growth is based on the possible displacement of several trillion dollar markets, such as gold.

Well, that is a good point if just some of the gold investors decided to hope onto the bitcoin train then it would really be a train lol

We would not need many of them to notice a big difference and where that would take us is unknown to me but it would be pretty exciting time in bitcoin.
newbie
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March 04, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
#53
I'm just over here waiting for the day the 21 millionth bit coin is made so I can sell my bitcoins while the price is high. Wink
sr. member
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March 04, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
#52
Maybe I am too optimistic, but I feel right now is the time to buy . but only time will tell
sr. member
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March 04, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
#51
pfff i would be happy if it comes back to 300 dollars im not even thinking about 500
300 dollars is only a few weeks away , dont worry. im thinking we'll get at 500 in maybe 2 Months or so ?
Price have slowly been going up , but been sinking because of people losing hopes ( exchanges getting hacked etc )
Lets hope all these exchange hacks teach people that their btc is only safe with them  Smiley .
hopefully it does , i dont understand why exchanges keep getting " hacked " tho , maybe its just scams : <
Exchanges are not sercuring their coins, and I'm sure some of them are inside jobs.
hero member
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March 04, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
#50
pfff i would be happy if it comes back to 300 dollars im not even thinking about 500
300 dollars is only a few weeks away , dont worry. im thinking we'll get at 500 in maybe 2 Months or so ?
Price have slowly been going up , but been sinking because of people losing hopes ( exchanges getting hacked etc )
Lets hope all these exchange hacks teach people that their btc is only safe with them  Smiley .
hopefully it does , i dont understand why exchanges keep getting " hacked " tho , maybe its just scams : <
sr. member
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March 04, 2015, 04:59:14 PM
#49
pfff i would be happy if it comes back to 300 dollars im not even thinking about 500
300 dollars is only a few weeks away , dont worry. im thinking we'll get at 500 in maybe 2 Months or so ?
Price have slowly been going up , but been sinking because of people losing hopes ( exchanges getting hacked etc )
Lets hope all these exchange hacks teach people that their btc is only safe with them  Smiley .
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