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Topic: Fake-branded bars slip dirty gold into world markets - page 3. (Read 611 times)

legendary
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Those who support Bitcoin now have an additional reason to say that crypto is better then gold, just for reason Bitcoin can not be faked in any way except in the case of forks which misleading people to buy some much cheaper coin.

Now we learn that there is gold which we can call legal, and one that comes to the market through illegal channels. For world who wants to have full control in everything nothing can work that way, everything must go through official channels. But what about silver, precious stones, works of art or food, illegal trade and fake things flooded the world to the point that it became a common thing.


Other than that, you're correct--no fake bitcoins are running around trying to pass themselves off as the real deal.

Except several dozen of forked coins, who each claim to be the real Bitcoin.

https://www.forks.net/list/Bitcoin//1/2017-01-01/2020-01-01
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the counterfeits are good enough that they've been found in the vaults of jpmorgan chase. i guess gold is pretty good for moving/laundering money after all! Cheesy
Christ, this is always what's scared me about buying gold or silver--it doesn't matter if it's a bar or something like an American Silver Eagle, there are counterfeits floating around that could fool anyone.  I definitely would trust big retailers who sell gold or silver straight from the mint, but I became way too paranoid about fakes early on.  I'm a bit surprised that JP Morgan got fooled, though.  You know it's bad when crap like that happens.

By the way, this is a good argument in favor of the value of Bitcoin, because it can not be faked, filled with something and presented instead of the original, as was done with gold, filling it with tungsten.
I would agree with that 100%, except that they're completely different things.  Bitcoin is not a hedge against inflation, isn't a safe-haven asset, and can't be made into a nice piece of jewelry.  Other than that, you're correct--no fake bitcoins are running around trying to pass themselves off as the real deal.
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A good option for money laundering and the sale of illegal gold, sooner or later it should have surfaced. By the way, this is a good argument in favor of the value of Bitcoin, because it can not be faked, filled with something and presented instead of the original, as was done with gold, filling it with tungsten.
legendary
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If even gold is getting this type of scamming then there is really no point on not going over to blockchain route for everything. If you could just put up like a qr code deal or just some numbers that represents wallets or address on gold bars you can just check those gold bars on each time someone sell it and you can see where it was gotten from. That way if the company that got mimicked by the scammers (I know gold were real gold but the reputation was stolen) they would be able to refute or agree what has happened was actually what happened.

Otherwise we will keep having these type of stuff in all investment stuff, blockchain literally makes sure the owner is the correct one with many stuff like signatures and all which is the exact reason even cash should be tied to blockchain with their numbers.
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Wait what? I just know that there is such thing as "major legitimate refineries." In that case, isn't it still worth the same?
I thought gold is fungible.

I think fake (cheap metal) gold is much more common than the previous one. I only know to buy gold with a certificate of authenticity from a local reputable company. Damn, should study more.
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In this case it might be actual Gold still, but more closer to the retail market, there have been a shitload of Asian fake Gold bars that flooded the market. Kilo bars with tungsten in the center have been sold to a lot of people throughout the last years. People don't realize what they have until they sell their Gold, which we will definitely hear more about now Gold is going through a bullish run itself.

It's a tough position to be in if you're heavily into Gold. I know someone who's frequently trading gold bars and coins back and forth, but only does so when both parties agree to meet up in a shop that has been known to have years of experience and an x-ray metal analyzer to accurately know what the consistency is of the pieces they bring in.
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the headline and "forgery" lede are a bit misleading, as the fraudulent gold bars bleeding into the market are in fact real gold. the purpose of counterfeiting in this case is to launder money by procuring and selling bars that look like they were produced at the world's major legitimate refineries.

the counterfeits are good enough that they've been found in the vaults of jpmorgan chase. i guess gold is pretty good for moving/laundering money after all! Cheesy

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LONDON (Reuters) - A forgery crisis is quietly roiling the world’s gold industry.

Gold bars fraudulently stamped with the logos of major refineries are being inserted into the global market to launder smuggled or illegal gold, refining and banking executives tell Reuters. The fakes are hard to detect, making them an ideal fund-runner for narcotics dealers or warlords.

In the last three years, bars worth at least $50 million stamped with Swiss refinery logos, but not actually produced by those facilities, have been identified by all four of Switzerland’s leading gold refiners and found in the vaults of JPMorgan Chase & Co., one of the major banks at the heart of the market in bullion, said senior executives at gold refineries, banks and other industry sources.

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Fake gold bars - blocks of cheaper metal plated with gold - are relatively common in the gold industry and often easy to detect.

The counterfeits in these cases are subtler: The gold is real, and very high purity, with only the markings faked. Fake-branded bars are a relatively new way to flout global measures to block conflict minerals and prevent money-laundering. Such forgeries pose a problem for international refiners, financiers and regulators as they attempt to purge the world of illicit trade in bullion.

High gold prices have triggered a boom in informal and illegal mining since the mid-2000s. Without the stamp of a prestigious refinery, such gold would be forced into underground networks, or priced at a discount. By pirating Swiss and other major brands, metal that has been mined or processed in places that would not otherwise be legal or acceptable in the West – for example in parts of Africa, Venezuela or North Korea – can be injected into the market, channeling funds to criminals or regimes that are sanctioned.

It is not clear who is making the bars found so far, but executives and bankers told Reuters they think most originate in China, the world’s largest gold producer and importer, and have entered the market via dealers and trading houses in Hong Kong, Japan and Thailand. Once accepted by a mainstream gold dealer in these places, they can quickly spread into supply chains worldwide.

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“It’s a wonderful way of laundering conflict gold,” he said. “The gold is genuine, but it’s not ethically sourced ... They look completely genuine, they assay correctly, and they weigh correctly as well.”

The perfect appearance makes the bars highly effective. “Because gold is completely fungible,” Hayes said, “you can bleed it into genuine production. It’s very, very hard to control.”

J.P. Morgan supplies gold from major refiners for many of the world’s biggest banks, jewelers and investors, and the discovery of the forged bars in its vaults triggered a full review of the gold it held, market sources said. One said this sweep unearthed around 50 fraudulently-branded bars. Another said it found several hundred. J.P. Morgan did not comment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gold-swiss-fakes-exclusive/exclusive-fake-branded-bars-slip-dirty-gold-into-world-markets-idUSKCN1VI0DD
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