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Topic: Fake Chinese Bitcoins Crash Bitcoin Market - page 2. (Read 4368 times)

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October 05, 2014, 10:21:39 PM
#29
why no one said that fake bitcoins caused the rise to up 1000 level?

Only when prices drop it is fake and manipulation. When it goes up, it is just the natural stuff

It's common knowledge that the price was inflated by mtgox using coins that didn't exist.
Is it? I know that it is certainly the topic of several conspiracy theories but I have never seen any concrete evidence of such. I was under the impression that people would deposit large sums of money at gox, then the money would be credited to the willie bot so it can buy large amounts of bitcoin then the bitcoin would be credited to the aforesaid people who had deposited large amounts of bitcoin
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October 05, 2014, 09:08:25 PM
#28
i already told you guys on this months ago , but only a few believe me Roll Eyes
legendary
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October 05, 2014, 08:50:14 PM
#27
Okay so the basic process is one of the exchanges decides they want fiat.  They credit a house account with a bunch of btc that they don't really have, sell and reap the rewards.  If they want btc, they do the opposite, credit a house account with fiat.

This would explain how they can have no fees. 

Exactly, exchanges can create accounts with trillions of fiat money and millions of bitcoins. Since the trade is always happening in their database, there is no way to tell the validity of any account. But once people start to withdraw at large scale, they will blow up, just like what happened with MTGOX

BTC-China has passed the third party audit for their bitcoin reserve and also that dabase, so the manipulation could come from other exchanges. I think majority of the sell order are coming from those late established mining farms to pay for the expense, but that does not explain the 22K sell wall on bitstamp
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October 05, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
#26
Okay so the basic process is one of the exchanges decides they want fiat.  They credit a house account with a bunch of btc that they don't really have, sell and reap the rewards.  If they want btc, they do the opposite, credit a house account with fiat.

This would explain how they can have no fees. 
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October 05, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
#25
why no one said that fake bitcoins caused the rise to up 1000 level?

Only when prices drop it is fake and manipulation. When it goes up, it is just the natural stuff

It's common knowledge that the price was inflated by mtgox using coins that didn't exist.
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October 05, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
#24
Yes the Chinese manipulators sold all coins last November at $1200, now wil crash market to buy back at $100

With what they will crash the market if they don't own Bitcoins they sold?
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October 05, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
#23
these chinese are quite smart...
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October 05, 2014, 04:11:12 PM
#22
Thanks i've read that,
i cant see scenario to protect against this thing... this way they can create panic every single time...
just robbing others...
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October 05, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
#21
How can be bitcoins fake? They are not USD and cant be just printed in high numbers.

In theory they could be selling coins to people that do not exist. Hence the problem with centralized exchanges. When it comes time to withdraw those fake coins, good luck. They do not exist….

Price discovery on an electronic online exchange.. in china, could be NOT REAL.. Even if bitcoincharts.com is reporting trades…

I can neither confirm nor deny what is happening, but there is something to be said about unregulated exchanges cooking' the books.

I suppose you do this with Fiat correct?
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October 05, 2014, 04:09:24 PM
#20
Please someone explain how bitcoin can be fake?

i understand now.
on exchanges, and when you want to withdraw them on your BTC address you see nothing comes there.
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October 05, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
#19
How can be bitcoins fake? They are not USD and cant be just printed in high numbers.

In theory they could be selling coins to people that do not exist. Hence the problem with centralized exchanges. When it comes time to withdraw those fake coins, good luck. They do not exist….

Price discovery on an electronic online exchange.. in china, could be NOT REAL.. Even if bitcoincharts.com is reporting trades…

I can neither confirm nor deny what is happening, but there is something to be said about unregulated exchanges cooking' the books.
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October 05, 2014, 04:01:10 PM
#18
Fractional reserve in crypto.. gads
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October 05, 2014, 03:58:26 PM
#17
How can be bitcoins fake? They are not USD and cant be just printed in high numbers.

sure they can.. just like paper gold..


anyway best to just sit back and rid the tide
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October 05, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
#16
How can be bitcoins fake? They are not USD and cant be just printed in high numbers.
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October 05, 2014, 03:53:35 PM
#15
Normal thing in finance markets, manipulation all the time
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October 05, 2014, 03:51:03 PM
#14
why no one said that fake bitcoins caused the rise to up 1000 level?

Only when prices drop it is fake and manipulation. When it goes up, it is just the natural stuff

Good point was wondering the same thing.
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October 05, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
#13
You forgot to mention that fake Chinese created the bubble in the first place. It was staying at 150$ at the most when the Chinese manipulation kicked in.

Yes the Chinese manipulators sold all coins last November at $1200, now wil crash market to buy back at $100
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October 05, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
#11
why no one said that fake bitcoins caused the rise to up 1000 level?

Only when prices drop it is fake and manipulation. When it goes up, it is just the natural stuff

They did...it is called the Willy bot.
The willy bot was just a bot that was buying bitcoin on behalf on large whales to prevent as much slippage as possible.

Similarly I find it far fetched that the market is being manipulated for it to make the price lower.

I think this speculation that the price is being manipulated is caused by the lack of regulation   
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October 05, 2014, 02:29:11 PM
#10
You forgot to mention that fake Chinese created the bubble in the first place. It was staying at 150$ at the most when the Chinese manipulation kicked in.
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