Fathers should get equal paternity leave.

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Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

Companionship is one of the most important connections human beings crave, most especially from one's spouse. For a woman who has just given birth, it would be a very nice feeling if they could have their husbands beside them during this process.

Childbirth is a biological process that is normal, but also takes a toll on the psychological and mental health of both parents. Though men hardly show their emotions, but if you've met a man who lost a child and seen how broken he was, you will understand that the pain and joy of nurturing a child doesn't only depend on the mother.

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

In Finland paid parental leave lasts 320 days, and that's 160 working days for each parent. Government is paying parental allowance from that time. So i guess it's a matter of values on what citizens actually want.

Also "not showing emotions" isn't a good reason, that's just enforcing bad stereotypes. Women are traditionally encouraged to do that from the start. Men need to be trusted to learn that and encouraged to do so. Also it's not just about showing emotions, but listening and trying to understand to others and accepting their emotions (aka empathy).

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Sorry, but in my country company's HRs do everything to not even give maternity leaves to eligible mothers, leave apart giving leaves to the father.

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Nah, when such things come in. You now will start hearing people advocating for equal baby sitting times as well, all in the name of equality in gender roles, which we all know is not possible because man and woman were created to perform different roles.
Even if fathers are to take paternity leaves, they should last shorter than that of the mothers.

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Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

Companionship is one of the most important connections human beings crave, most especially from one's spouse. For a woman who has just given birth, it would be a very nice feeling if they could have their husbands beside them during this process.

Childbirth is a biological process that is normal, but also takes a toll on the psychological and mental health of both parents. Though men hardly show their emotions, but if you've met a man who lost a child and seen how broken he was, you will understand that the pain and joy of nurturing a child doesn't only depend on the mother.

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

I am sure that many companies also have this incentive given by their companies. So, it's a matter of what type of company you're working and if they don't give importance to paternity leave then you think again, you should find one that gives you these credits of paternity leave for you to enjoy your fatherhood with your newborn. But in most cases, I think this is also situational. Even if the father wants to take a leave, he just can't. Most of us are providers and if we won't work, we provide nothing but only that benefit or incentive from that paternity leave and the worse, those that don't have these leave credits and that's why even if they want to leave and be absent enjoying that right, they just can't.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 30, 2024, 08:12:30 AM

Yes and no. A woman gets severely battered during childbirth, and even more if there is a C-section or the like. You have to let mom and child be together for a long initial period so that they both recover their sense of safety and calm. After that, in terms of child care, yes you would want males to have an equal right, and it is being implemented in a few countries.

It's interesting to see us discuss these issues at a time when matters around gender equity or equality continues to get more traction. Childbirth is a process that happens with the collaboration between the man and the woman. In the case of marriage, the husband and the wife will have to cohabiting to be able to give birth to a child. If that's the case, the Child also needs the care of the father as much as it will need the care of the mom. I can argue that the absence of the father during the very early and delicate days of the newborn, usually contributes to the reason why children are generally more relatable to their mom than their dad.

If a child is born, he or she needs the presence and collaboration of both parents to contribute to their caregiving. When both the dad and the mom are present, it will significantly increase the child's development process especially when both parents partake in taking care of the child emotionally and socially. This is because for most couples, the husband used to be more social and can easily imbibe that to the child. I wish many workplaces could start implementing this idea of giving both parents a parental leave to take care of their newlyborn babies, society would have been better than it is today.

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Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

I agree that fathers also need paternity leave but not as much as women. Fathers go through serious emotional and psychological stress during the pregnancy and delivery stage. But mothers go through physical, emotional, psychological and all-around problems. A woman might not be able to engage in any meaningful activity after childbirth for weeks but a man can overcome the effect in a few days. In my country, the woman gets about three months' leave while the man will have to get back to work in a few days if his employer is lenient because they are not entitled to paternity leave.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 09:29:25 AM

Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

Well I would agree but mothers get maternity leave because physically they are still unfit to work especially if they work requires extensive physical labor. Imagine pushing out a whole human being out of you after carrying said human for 9 months. It can’t be easy + some do not have normal deliveries.

While I agree with the concept of paternity leave, I still think that maternity leave still needs to be polished. Some countries do not give off proper maternity leave and some companies are not at all considerate of pregnant women. So, I think it’ll be better to take one thing at a time.

Being a mother is not a small thing, No matter how the father try it will never be the same as mother that is why you can see man of us that leave together with our parents like mother more than our father, mother and a child need a father because it is very important for them, they need who to support them to make them feel good without having any stress but is still the best, imagine pushing a whole human being out after carrying the pregnant for 9 months, if it was a man that is carrying a pregnant it will not be funny.

No matter how it is don't argue with a woman when it comes to giving birth or talking about a child because they have been through the process before, we should never compare mother and father together because every one has their responsibilities to take when it comes to child and any time we talk about this we should know that mother is always number one.

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Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

Companionship is one of the most important connections human beings crave, most especially from one's spouse. For a woman who has just given birth, it would be a very nice feeling if they could have their husbands beside them during this process.

Childbirth is a biological process that is normal, but also takes a toll on the psychological and mental health of both parents. Though men hardly show their emotions, but if you've met a man who lost a child and seen how broken he was, you will understand that the pain and joy of nurturing a child doesn't only depend on the mother.

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

Most persons will disagree with you, basically because they believe mothers are the ones who go through the agony of childbirth, so primarily, they are the one that have number one naturally bond with their offsprings, that is why court judges always make judgement in favour of the mothers when it comes to children custody. Father can over time develop bond with their children too, considering that they are the father figures in those children life but not when it comes to full custody.

If there is a case of divorce and there are issues concerning who will take custody of the children arises, most judges will ask the father to play the financial role in the up bringing of the children, because they believe fathers don't have the time to wipe diapers, wake up early to bath the children and take them to school and bring them back. However fathers can always ask the children to come and stay with him during holidays, at least such a time will allow him spend quality time with them.

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Quote from: ? on October 28, 2024, 02:54:36 PM

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

Well I would agree but mothers get maternity leave because physically they are still unfit to work especially if they work requires extensive physical labor. Imagine pushing out a whole human being out of you after carrying said human for 9 months. It can’t be easy + some do not have normal deliveries.

While I agree with the concept of paternity leave, I still think that maternity leave still needs to be polished. Some countries do not give off proper maternity leave and some companies are not at all considerate of pregnant women. So, I think it’ll be better to take one thing at a time.

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Yes and no. A woman gets severely battered during childbirth, and even more if there is a C-section or the like. You have to let mom and child be together for a long initial period so that they both recover their sense of safety and calm. After that, in terms of child care, yes you would want males to have an equal right, and it is being implemented in a few countries.

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Companionship is one of the most important connections human beings crave, most especially from one's spouse. For a woman who has just given birth, it would be a very nice feeling if they could have their husbands beside them during this process.

Childbirth is a biological process that is normal, but also takes a toll on the psychological and mental health of both parents. Though men hardly show their emotions, but if you've met a man who lost a child and seen how broken he was, you will understand that the pain and joy of nurturing a child doesn't only depend on the mother.

The man also deserves leave because childbearing is a family thing, both the mother and child need the man's support, care, and protection, as well as a great bond as a family, not just a mother-to-child bond, but rather a parent-to-child bond.

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