FBI Admits To Engaging In Infiltration, etc in Competing Currencies

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Quote from: JeffK on August 31, 2011, 07:39:34 PM

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I don't think you understand the 'hell' that is North Korea. They have famines and dwindling resources, people starving or being beaten in work camps, etc. etc. I don't think many other countries are in the shape North Korea is in

Let me fix that for you:

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I don't think you understand the 'hell' that is USA. They have famines and dwindling resources, slums, homeless, shitty education, crappy healthcare, people starving or being beaten in work camps (a.k.a sweatshops) , etc. etc...

Now, lest talk about garden gnomes (a.k.a completely off topic rant):
You land whales think you can buy a burgers and eat your self to death = freedom? Your greed driven, debt-ridden version of democracy is a sad joke on yourselves. Why are you exporting (war, anyone?) this Orwellian nightmare, wrapped in shiny Burger King paper, to the rest of the world? Do you really think that everyone wants to drink your overpriced sugar water, eat your shit sandwiches and be in debt for rest of their lives. (just rhetorical question, please, do not answer)

Back to the topic: Get over this liberty dollar crap an look at the bigger picture and then its smaller details. Wink

I never said the states were some shining beacon of a perfect country or something. It's just that the resources in North Korea, due to greed, and concentrated towards a very small group and then rest of the country is living in the worst kind of staving-and-dying poverty

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Quote from: d'aniel on September 01, 2011, 02:48:14 AM

Edit: the foil wrapping is designed to trap heat, keeping the burger warm longer.

They also make great hats. Wink

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Quote from: EskimoBob on September 01, 2011, 02:05:04 AM

Do you really think that everyone wants to drink your overpriced sugar water, eat your shit sandwiches and be in debt for rest of their lives. (just rhetorical question, please, do not answer)

I don't personally care for the soft drinks at BK, but I do enjoy me a pair of junior whoppers for $2.99 from time to time.

Edit: the foil wrapping is designed to trap heat, keeping the burger warm longer.

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Quote from: JeffK on August 31, 2011, 07:39:34 PM

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I don't think you understand the 'hell' that is North Korea. They have famines and dwindling resources, people starving or being beaten in work camps, etc. etc. I don't think many other countries are in the shape North Korea is in

Let me fix that for you:

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I don't think you understand the 'hell' that is USA. They have famines and dwindling resources, slums, homeless, shitty education, crappy healthcare, people starving or being beaten in work camps (a.k.a sweatshops) , etc. etc...

Now, lest talk about garden gnomes (a.k.a completely off topic rant):
You land whales think you can buy a burgers and eat your self to death = freedom? Your greed driven, debt-ridden version of democracy is a sad joke on yourselves. Why are you exporting (war, anyone?) this Orwellian nightmare, wrapped in shiny Burger King paper, to the rest of the world? Do you really think that everyone wants to drink your overpriced sugar water, eat your shit sandwiches and be in debt for rest of their lives. (just rhetorical question, please, do not answer)

Back to the topic: Get over this liberty dollar crap an look at the bigger picture and then its smaller details. Wink

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 12:07:44 PM

Do you really need a lesson in the differences between a Parliamentary monarchy and a republic? Harper won a majority government with a ridiculous MINORITY of the votes.

What does Parliamentary monarchy have to do with anything? Three POTUS won the election with minority popular votes. It's a common occurrence in all forms of representative democracy.

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Quote from: speeder on August 31, 2011, 08:18:11 AM

Where you US ditchers went?

Where the action is: Asia

Sounds like something Bruce would say. Cheesy

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Quote from: Herodes on August 31, 2011, 05:59:17 PM

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Quote from: speeder on August 31, 2011, 08:18:11 AM

Where you US ditchers went?

South Korea here. Great launching pad for a westernized, watered down version of hard core ancient and closed minded Asian ideals and customs (lots of US influence here). From here it only gets more hard core though. Korea is pretty much America's pet project at the moment, and the people who don't live in denial of that fact on a daily basis aren't too happy about it.

I for one used to think we don't belong here (in military) but my girlfriend's parents might never have been born otherwise so who knows.

Note to trolls who think I'm racist: learn Korean and read their daily news. They absolutely despise their president for being so chummy with Obama. Once you're fluent in Korean like I am, it's hard to not pick this up. I hope somehow the work I do in education, Bitcoin or whatever can help a few if not the whole country a bit. So many wonderful people here that feel trapped and tortured (most students) in a painfully redundant and self destructive social pattern. But hey, that's the good old US of A too, no? -_-;;

After seeing a documentary about how life's in North Korea, I can't phantom how anyone living in South Korea can complain about anything!

With all due respect that never seems to stop Americans from whining about their level of comfort. It's all perception. When I look at Nort Korea, I see a selfish and arrogant leader but a lot of honest and mislead followers. Life in North Korea is no more hell than it is in any other country at some point in time, so long as you follow the rules of the masters. No country is different in that respect, just different rules.

Disclaimer: I know first hand about Korea but global politics etc are kind of new to me.

I don't think you understand the 'hell' that is North Korea. They have famines and dwindling resources, people starving or being beaten in work camps, etc. etc. I don't think many other countries are in the shape North Korea is in

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Quote from: speeder on August 31, 2011, 08:18:11 AM

Where you US ditchers went?

South Korea here. Great launching pad for a westernized, watered down version of hard core ancient and closed minded Asian ideals and customs (lots of US influence here). From here it only gets more hard core though. Korea is pretty much America's pet project at the moment, and the people who don't live in denial of that fact on a daily basis aren't too happy about it.

I for one used to think we don't belong here (in military) but my girlfriend's parents might never have been born otherwise so who knows.

Note to trolls who think I'm racist: learn Korean and read their daily news. They absolutely despise their president for being so chummy with Obama. Once you're fluent in Korean like I am, it's hard to not pick this up. I hope somehow the work I do in education, Bitcoin or whatever can help a few if not the whole country a bit. So many wonderful people here that feel trapped and tortured (most students) in a painfully redundant and self destructive social pattern. But hey, that's the good old US of A too, no? -_-;;

After seeing a documentary about how life's in North Korea, I can't phantom how anyone living in South Korea can complain about anything!

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Quote from: BGL on August 31, 2011, 05:04:07 PM

"Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

Not that wiki is the end all in reliable sources but it doesn't seem there's too much question here.

It's the sign and the dollar that are the main problem. Anyone can place God we Trust or whatever on it. The Dollar is the US corporate currency created by the private international banksters.

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"Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

Not that wiki is the end all in reliable sources but it doesn't seem there's too much question here.

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Bernard made a HUGE critical error. By using the term "Dollar" it made the coins too similar to US currency. I agree the FBI went too far, and outside their jurisdiction, but it's more of a wobbler and a grey area, since he used the "Dollar" term. Had he not done that, they would still be around, I think. All other alternative currencies are being left alone. There are hundreds of local "scrips" all over the country, and no government agency seems to care much.

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OMFG! Really? Please, tell me all about your garden gnomes too.

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 12:35:38 PM

I agree with you that we dodged a massive bullet, Harper and Dubya at the same time would have been a perfect storm of unintelligence. Nevertheless, let's give Canada a tiny bit of credit. Even Harper is pretty subtle in the ways in which he's trying to undermine us from within... it might change when some of our Supreme Court judges have to retire.

From that last article I edited in:
Movement towards the goal must be "incremental," he said, so the public won't be spooked.

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But you're right, let's not derail this thread. My bad for making assumptions. I apologise.

No problem.

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PS: By the way, you do know that technically, only a majority of the constituents in just one riding voted for Stephen Harper, right? I mean, he's not a president, just one more MP with a little bit more clout than the rest... Grin

Yup. The disturbing thing is that it seems he has more than a little bit of clout, with the way he will have no dissent whatsoever in 'his' caucus ( note the treatment of Garth Turner for just one example ), the careful handling - 'stick to the message!' - of what any of his MP's have to say... the non-transparency and non-accountability... etc. etc.

Anyway, moving on...

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Quote from: Colargol on August 31, 2011, 12:21:20 PM

Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 12:07:44 PM

Do you really need a lesson in the differences between a Parliamentary monarchy and a republic? Harper won a majority government with a ridiculous MINORITY of the votes.

I know how that works all too well living in the province I do.

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Oh, and go ask Canadian conservatives if they want to do away with health care, deregulate and invade foreign countries, the way neo-cons do? They'll look at you like you have two heads.

With King Harper in power, with a majority, it doesn't much matter what the people want, Conservative or other wise. I won't derail this thread anymore with an issue by issue debate on Canadian politics but I thank god that Straussian* wasn't in power when dubya tried to get us to join him in Iraq.

*edit/ and also this one from the other side of the country: Harper, Bush Share Roots in Controversial Philosophy

I agree with you that we dodged a massive bullet, Harper and Dubya at the same time would have been a perfect storm of unintelligence. Nevertheless, let's give Canada a tiny bit of credit. Even Harper is pretty subtle in the ways in which he's trying to undermine us from within... it might change when some of our Supreme Court judges have to retire.

But you're right, let's not derail this thread. My bad for making assumptions. I apologise.

PS: By the way, you do know that technically, only a majority of the constituents in just one riding voted for Stephen Harper, right? I mean, he's not a president, just one more MP with a little bit more clout than the rest... Grin

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 12:07:44 PM

Do you really need a lesson in the differences between a Parliamentary monarchy and a republic? Harper won a majority government with a ridiculous MINORITY of the votes.

I know how that works all too well living in the province I do.

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Oh, and go ask Canadian conservatives if they want to do away with health care, deregulate and invade foreign countries, the way neo-cons do? They'll look at you like you have two heads.

With King Harper in power, with a majority, it doesn't much matter what the people want, Conservative or other wise. I won't derail this thread anymore with an issue by issue debate on Canadian politics but I thank god that Straussian* wasn't in power when dubya tried to get us to join him in Iraq.

*edit/ and also this one from the other side of the country: Harper, Bush Share Roots in Controversial Philosophy

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Quote from: Colargol on August 31, 2011, 12:02:14 PM

Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 11:17:00 AM

Quote from: hugolp on August 31, 2011, 11:15:29 AM

I guess the USA should invade Canada and Australia for using the word dollar as well.

The US will never invade Canada. They wouldn't want another 40 million Democrats! Grin

Did you not notice the neo-con Prime Minister we recently elected with a majority?
( in some ways makes his buddy George W. Bush seem liberal minded )

With clowns like that leading us The US doesn't need to invade.

"And when I say jump you're only question should be 'how high'!"

"Yessir, anything you say sir."

Do you really need a lesson in the differences between a Parliamentary monarchy and a republic? Harper won a majority government with a ridiculous MINORITY of the votes. Oh, and go ask Canadian conservatives if they want to do away with health care, deregulate and invade foreign countries, the way neo-cons do? They'll look at you like you have two heads.

Do you have two heads? Grin

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Quote from: Piper67 on August 31, 2011, 11:17:00 AM

Quote from: hugolp on August 31, 2011, 11:15:29 AM

I guess the USA should invade Canada and Australia for using the word dollar as well.

The US will never invade Canada. They wouldn't want another 40 million Democrats! Grin

Did you not notice the neo-con Prime Minister we recently elected with a majority?
( in some ways makes his buddy George W. Bush seem liberal minded )

With clowns like that leading us The US doesn't need to invade.

"And when I say jump you're only question should be 'how high'!"

"Yessir, anything you say sir."

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Quote from: hugolp on August 31, 2011, 11:15:29 AM

Quote from: fcmatt on August 31, 2011, 10:56:22 AM

The main mistake Liberty dollars made was to use the word "dollar" on their coins.
You cannot go around minting coins that could be confused with federal coins. And then
for people to start taking them into stores and wanting store owners to accept them was
just looking for a raid and seizure.

I guess the USA should invade Canada and Australia for using the word dollar as well.

Why? Their coins clearly have the country's name that minted them right on the coin and
the USA has a long history of using other country's coins when it was necessary. As you
well know Canada's coins spend freely here in the USA but no store owner has to accept them.
He has the right to refuse them if he/she wishes. But no one does because people do not walk
into the store with 100 dollars with of Canadian quarters to buy goods/services.

The whole Liberty Dollar thing is pretty clear. They broke laws that have been on the books for
decades and could have avoided it very easily.

Please see the pcgs.com collector forums, US Coins, for more information or questions. You will find
top experts in numismatics as well as coin law geeks that can iron out any concerns. You can also
talk to Daniel Carr about his Ameros and how the tin foil hat crowd picked up on it. Amazing how much
publicity he got from that and the amount of misinformation on the net about it.

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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat

Remember, Bitcoin is NOT an USA thing, so good luck for FBI to fight it.

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Quote from: hugolp on August 31, 2011, 11:15:29 AM

Quote from: fcmatt on August 31, 2011, 10:56:22 AM

The main mistake Liberty dollars made was to use the word "dollar" on their coins.
You cannot go around minting coins that could be confused with federal coins. And then
for people to start taking them into stores and wanting store owners to accept them was
just looking for a raid and seizure.

I guess the USA should invade Canada and Australia for using the word dollar as well.

The US will never invade Canada. They wouldn't want another 40 million Democrats! Grin

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