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Topic: FBI has a success rate of 50% when it comes to stopping domestic terrorism. - page 2. (Read 1277 times)

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are the FBI well trained and physically fit in the main part, or like many cops are they donuts eaten' fat bastard idiots ? 'law enforcement' switched to 'national security'?

their copywriter is out of control!!! our tax dollars are paying her salary .
I think they have an over abundance of resources and if they don't use it all, they can't justify getting more next year. The best way to justify not only their existence and more money is to drum up a facade of stopping terrorism that they know the media will perpetuate to the ignorant public. I'm sure most if not all those that they're entrapping and setting up aren't angels but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth to know they're playing politics instead of being serious about a supposed terrorist threat. In fact, Free Talk Live was just talking about this very same issue on Saturday night and some of the stories they were discussing was agents using visits to strip clubs and alcohol to gin up some of these youngsters to do their bidding so they could get caught and pad the arrest numbers.
this is true throughout government as departments have an incentive to spend their entire budget because if they do not then next years budget will be cut. At for profit corporations the person in charge if keeping spending under control likely would receive a bonus for not spending off of his budget.
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Main question about terrorism in my mind is:
Why these people care enough to harm you? Why don't they have better things to do?

if you're talking about the middle east, a big part of it is that america has planted its puppets in their country, extracting all their resources yet leaving no opportunity for their people. they're also religious zealots, too.

as far as domestic terrorism goes, they're just mainly wackos in the head.
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Main question about terrorism in my mind is:
Why these people care enough to harm you? Why don't they have better things to do?
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The best way to justify not only their existence and more money is to drum up a facade of stopping terrorism that they know the media will perpetuate to the ignorant public. I'm sure most if not all those that they're entrapping and setting up aren't angels but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth to know they're playing politics instead of being serious about a supposed terrorist threat.

Yes- agreed.

Got to quote Robert David Steele here (ex CIA Intelligence), in interview :-

- How do you view the proportion of physical and cyber terrorism in the next 5 years? In your opinion – which type is worse?

- Neither. I believe two things: first, that many terrorists are false flag terrorists that have been funded, trained, or manipulated by rogue government or corporate sources who desperately need terrorism as a substitute for the Cold War; and second, that terrorism is a tactic, not a threat, and it is a tactic that is used by groups with legitimate grievances when they feel they have no other resort.



And again :-


Please let me take a moment to list, in priority order, the top ten threats to humanity. These are as identified by LtGen Dr. Brent Scowcroft, USAF (Ret) and the other members of the United Nations High-Level Panel on Threats, Challenges, and Change, in their report A More Secure World: Our Shared Responsibility, and they have been ignored by the USG and all other governments.


1) Poverty

2) Infectious Disease

3) Environmental Degradation

4) Inter-State War

5) Civil War

6) Genocide

7) Other Atrocities

Cool Proliferation

9) Terrorism (Mass Catastrophes)

10) Transnational Crime

Poverty has doubled in the USA in the past twelve years. Around the world poverty does more to spawn all the other threats than all the corporations put together.



Yes - poverty (inequality) is the threat.

But we can't talk about that threat can we ?  Wink
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domestic terrorism is kind of different though. to me, it seems more random and comes from kooks.
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are the FBI well trained and physically fit in the main part, or like many cops are they donuts eaten' fat bastard idiots ? 'law enforcement' switched to 'national security'?

their copywriter is out of control!!! our tax dollars are paying her salary .
I think they have an over abundance of resources and if they don't use it all, they can't justify getting more next year. The best way to justify not only their existence and more money is to drum up a facade of stopping terrorism that they know the media will perpetuate to the ignorant public. I'm sure most if not all those that they're entrapping and setting up aren't angels but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth to know they're playing politics instead of being serious about a supposed terrorist threat. In fact, Free Talk Live was just talking about this very same issue on Saturday night and some of the stories they were discussing was agents using visits to strip clubs and alcohol to gin up some of these youngsters to do their bidding so they could get caught and pad the arrest numbers.
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are the FBI well trained and physically fit in the main part, or like many cops are they donuts eaten' fat bastard idiots ? 'law enforcement' switched to 'national security'?

their copywriter is out of control!!! our tax dollars are paying her salary .
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HRW released a report [link] that shows, in part, that just about every single high-profile domestic terrorism plot was crafted from the ground up by the FBI.  http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/usterrorism0714_ForUpload_0_0_0.pdf
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All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions, were actually FBI sting operations—plots conducted with the direct involvement of law enforcement informants or agents, including plots that were proposed or led by informants. According to multiple studies, nearly 50 percent of the more than 500 federal counterterrorism convictions resulted from informant-based cases; almost 30 percent of those cases were sting operations in which the informant played an active role in the underlying plot.
Of those 4 exceptions, two were not prevented. They were the LAX shooting and the Boston bombing. By my count, that means that the FBI is only able to stop 50% of actual domestic terrorism plots. All of the other high profile cases don't count because they were created by the FBI.


And before you go thinking they simply tricked bad guys who would have done bad things in the absence of the FBI's guiding hand, consider that the report notes that the FBI preyed on individuals that were deemed weak.
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Although an FBI agent even told Ferdaus’ father his son “obviously” had mental health problems, the FBI targeted him for a sting operation, sending an informant into Ferdaus’ mosque. Together, the FBI informant and Ferdaus devised a plan to attack the Pentagon and US Capitol, with the FBI providing fake weaponry and funding Ferdaus’ travel. Yet Ferdaus was mentally and physically deteriorating as the fake plot unfolded, suffering weight loss so severe his cheek bones protruded, loss of bladder control that left him wearing diapers, and depression and seizures so bad his father quit his job to care for Ferdaus. He was eventually sentenced on material support for terrorism and explosives charges to 17 years in prison with an additional 10 years of supervised release.
The FBI often made shit up all together instead of merely providing their victims with the means to carry out their "crimes."
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    In many of the sting operations we examined, informants and undercover agents carefully laid out an ideological basis for a proposed terrorist attack, and then provided investigative targets with a range of options and the weapons necessary to carry out the attack. Instead of beginning a sting at the point where the target had expressed an interest in engaging in illegal conduct, many terrorism sting operations that we investigated facilitated or invented the target’s willingness to act before presenting the tangible opportunity to do so. In this way, the FBI may have created terrorists out of law-abiding individuals.

If their target was non-compliant, then he'd face enhanced interrogation until he confessed.
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Abu Ali, a US citizen, was swept up in a mass arrest campaign in Saudi Arabia in 2003. Ali alleged being whipped, denied food, and threatened with amputation, and ultimately provided a confession he says was false to Saudi interrogators.

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Uzair Paracha was held in solitary confinement for nearly two years before he was convicted on charges of material support. Nine months after his arrest and while he was refusing to take a plea deal, the federal government moved Paracha to a harsh regime of solitary confinement pursuant to Special Administrative Measures (SAMs)—special restrictions on his contact with others imposed on the grounds of protecting national security or preventing disclosure of classified material—ostensibly due to ties with Al-Qaeda. For a time, Paracha was only permitted to speak to prison guards.

As Tim Cushing put it https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140722/14463127971/report-all-four-high-profile-domestic-terrorism-plots-last-decade-were-crafted-ground-up-fbi.shtml :
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    The FBI took a man whose main hobbies were "watching cartoons" and "playing Pokemon," a man who a forensic psychologist described (during the trial) as "highly susceptible to the suggestions of others" and fashioned him into a supposed terrorist. The planned subway bombing never happened, thanks to the FBI's keenly-honed ability to capture terrorists it created. Arrested with the would-be subway bomber was his "co-conspirator," a high school dropout with drug problems and clinically-diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia.


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