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April 05, 2014, 11:20:44 PM
#69
As protest on April 14th the day before china is supposed to ban crypto I'm airdropping a new crypto called mandarincoin to the citizens of china.

Official Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552501.300
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April 05, 2014, 05:48:58 PM
#68
BTC will probably not go below $400.
Indeed. I was thinking we were going to see 300-350 before this crash was over, but now I'm not so sure... sucks because I was holding out for 350 to buy more, and I think I've missed my opportunity.



Yup, on it's way up now, grab a seat while you still can.
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April 05, 2014, 05:42:30 PM
#67
China is turning into a win/win:

Either the story fades away as it's power to move the market ends, or...
Things improve in China and prices rise quickly.
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April 05, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
#66
Iceland? they banned bitcoin and allow auroracoin?

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According to the Central Bank of Iceland, domestic entities are not allowed to buy bitcoins from foreign entities, as such transactions are considered a capital movement out of the country. Such transactions are illegal due to the capital controls imposed in the country after the collapse of the banking system in 2008

Yieehah! So will there be a difference between domestic and foreign bitcoins? ohno! A firewall on the Bitcoin ports? Search travelers brain for brainwallets to prevent bitcoins from entering the country? Auroracoins can be traded outside of Iceland, too, that is the problem.

What a joke, they have already lost, it is like the war on drugs but 1000 times harder because there is no physical items that can be seized.  Cheesy

THEY BETTER UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD NOT BE IN THIS FUCKED UP SITUATION WITHOUT FIAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Respectfully, I don't think you understand what happened to Iceland's banking system.   The crisis, which came to a head in 2008, happened because of deregulation of the banking system, and the people in charge of that system began buying toxic garbage bonds that were rated as AAA and created by the USA financial system.  They also got caught up in some currency trading problems with Europe during the global financial crisis (rather than investing in their own citizens).   The end result is that Iceland's banks almost collapsed, since the "collateral" no longer existed.   Citizens of Iceland were given a democratic choice, to either accept a Cyprus-style haircut, which would result in much of the money held in bank accounts to simply evaporate, or to nationalize the banks and institute capital controls to keep their currency from collapsing.

Capital controls are enforced by limiting the amount of money a citizen from Iceland can send overseas, such as transferring funds to a bitcoin exchange.  They really don't care about the bitcoins you possess.

I'm not sure what alternative to fiat you propose that they should have used, bitcoin wasn't released then, and even so, bitcoin's current market cap is less than $6 billion, less than 50% of Iceland's current GDP of $13.5 billion.
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April 05, 2014, 04:32:47 PM
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Iceland? they banned bitcoin and allow auroracoin?

Here:

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According to the Central Bank of Iceland, domestic entities are not allowed to buy bitcoins from foreign entities, as such transactions are considered a capital movement out of the country. Such transactions are illegal due to the capital controls imposed in the country after the collapse of the banking system in 2008

Yieehah! So will there be a difference between domestic and foreign bitcoins? ohno! A firewall on the Bitcoin ports? Search travelers brain for brainwallets to prevent bitcoins from entering the country? Auroracoins can be traded outside of Iceland, too, that is the problem.

What a joke, they have already lost, it is like the war on drugs but 1000 times harder because there is no physical items that can be seized.  Cheesy

THEY BETTER UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD NOT BE IN THIS FUCKED UP SITUATION WITHOUT FIAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
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April 05, 2014, 07:03:39 AM
#64
u wont win with market rules
market is chaos theory, people behaviour can't be predicted

just wait for price to go up, thats it
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April 05, 2014, 05:42:28 AM
#63
China has not banned Bitcoin.  They have not banned a single exchange.

They simply decoupled their fiat market from the virtual currency market.

It's just really, really, really hard to buy bitcoins with Yaun and/or cash them out into mainland yaun.

By the same token,  is it also not very hard to buy USD?
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April 05, 2014, 05:38:57 AM
#62
My understanding is that neither China nor Russia "banned" bitcoin.
Rather the government officials there decided that commercial banks can not participate in or enable bitcoin.
 Huh
I could be wrong on both accounts.

This is accurate.  

They basically have decoupled the virtual currency markets from their fiat markets and imposed bans on any sort of bridging between the 2.

Because sellers are not able to cash out to the fiat market, noone in their right minds would take virtual currency as payment for even a loaf of bread.  Also, because of the ban, no financial institution would dare set up an account to "host" such an endeavor and no payment processor would dare exchange that company's virtual currency profit into fiat.

However, the exchanges will still exist and people can still trade virtual currencies et all, but will have to cash out somewhere else.  Given China's and Russia's love of capital controls in order to "protect" their respective fiat currencies, this is no trivial exercise.

What about FOREX?  Is the average Chinese citizen allowed to trade in FOREX?
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April 04, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
#61

made this specialy for the Chinese Banners

Smiley
Happy Friday night to the "F*ck China!" thread.
// Checking to make sure it is Friday night, the days fly by too fast.
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April 04, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
#60
Bitcoin ban my ass: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-china-dismisses-pboc-fears-open-letter/

I told you there is NO COUNTRY that can successfully ban Bitcoin.....

thats just sad... whoops russia banned bitcoin, whoops its really easy... The one thing that IS really disgusting in bitcoin universe is its dull community :-(.

You can ban it but it is impossible to enforce the ban. If you are a Russian and you got bitcoins, you still can spend it, transfer them, or do whatever you want. You just can't exchange at your local bank.
And if you are afraid that the government is tracking you down, use a vpn and do not use any service that requires you to enter your real information (use fake info) unless you really trust that the service will never leak out your info when a NSA-equivalent requests it.
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April 04, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
#59
Bitcoin ban my ass: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-china-dismisses-pboc-fears-open-letter/

I told you there is NO COUNTRY that can successfully ban Bitcoin.....

thats just sad... whoops russia banned bitcoin, whoos its really easy. The one thing that IS really disgusting in bitcoin universe is its dull community :-(.

Can't argue with that.
Trolls just appear out of nowhere....  Wink
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April 04, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
#58
Bitcoin ban my ass: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-china-dismisses-pboc-fears-open-letter/

I told you there is NO COUNTRY that can successfully ban Bitcoin.....

thats just sad... whoops russia banned bitcoin, whoops its really easy... The one thing that IS really disgusting in bitcoin universe is its dull community :-(.
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April 04, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
#57
It's just really, really, really hard to buy bitcoins with Yaun and/or cash them out into mainland yaun.
But wouldn't you be able to get around that by simply going Yuan -> dollars (or any currency) -> Bitcoin? I don't get it.

China has strict export / import capital controls on any and all currency instruments interfacing with the yaun.  

On top of that, you can only export so much fiat in or out, regardless of the type.

You basically have to now figure out an extremely creative way (i.e. become a criminal) to either buy bitcoin with mainland yaun, or sell out into mainland yaun. 

That being said, there is so much corruption at the higher levels of "government" in China that it is likely they may still have a smallish, but visible, impact on the price of a bitcoin.

This is basically the situation in China. They have "Banned" bitcoin because it is inconsistent with their capital control regime. However most banking in China is shadow banking and if you are connected you can do whatever you want regardless of the law. Bitcoins gonna flow.
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April 04, 2014, 10:32:39 AM
#56
China has not banned Bitcoin.  They have not banned a single exchange.
They simply decoupled their fiat market from the virtual currency market.


yes
legendary
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April 04, 2014, 10:25:30 AM
#55
It's just really, really, really hard to buy bitcoins with Yaun and/or cash them out into mainland yaun.
But wouldn't you be able to get around that by simply going Yuan -> dollars (or any currency) -> Bitcoin? I don't get it.

China has strict export / import capital controls on any and all currency instruments interfacing with the yaun.  

On top of that, you can only export so much fiat in or out, regardless of the type.

You basically have to now figure out an extremely creative way (i.e. become a criminal) to either buy bitcoin with mainland yaun, or sell out into mainland yaun. 

That being said, there is so much corruption at the higher levels of "government" in China that it is likely they may still have a smallish, but visible, impact on the price of a bitcoin.
legendary
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April 04, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
#54
so China helps you to buy BTC at low values Grin

Not China. The Chinese didn't did anything. It was the work of some short-sellers.
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April 04, 2014, 10:18:28 AM
#53
It's just really, really, really hard to buy bitcoins with Yaun and/or cash them out into mainland yaun.
But wouldn't you be able to get around that by simply going Yuan -> dollars (or any currency) -> Bitcoin? I don't get it.
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April 04, 2014, 10:17:42 AM
#52
so China helps you to buy BTC at low values Grin
legendary
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April 04, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
#51
China has not banned Bitcoin.  They have not banned a single exchange.

They simply decoupled their fiat market from the virtual currency market.
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April 04, 2014, 10:00:56 AM
#50
Well, You must clean your mouth!

I'm sure that China do not ban Bitcoin.

you lost bitcoins just because you are not believe Bitcoin deeply.
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