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November 30, 2016, 01:44:10 PM
#50
During 'normal' times, most people believe we have a free market, because the manipulation of money and debt is under the surface.  The more the elites get into trouble (like having to fight post-crisis deflationary forces over the last eight years,) the more they are forced to expose the non-free nature of their 'market' system, such as with 'quantitative easing', i.e. printing money.  But they will do it, if they have to.

Because the goal is never to maintain a free market.  The goal has always been to manipulate the economy to give unearned wealth and power to politicians and bankers.

That can hardly be argued. But should we really think that this wealth is so unearned? They grabbed the power, and they are profiting off it. Or do you really think that anyone else who could dethrone them and take their place would behave differently in the end? The new elites would have to fight with the old ones to take their place, but they would be fighting not in the name of equality, fraternity and liberty for everyone, but just to make profits themselves.

If the public allows a criminal justice system (as they did in the past) that allows officials to torture people into confession in order to finish their assigned cases, certainly, it doesn't matter who the officials are, in most cases.

So the key is public awareness.  This will be a multi-decade, if not multi-century, struggle.

Once awareness is formed, the solution is quite simple: make money a totally market based commodity by adding money 'management' to the list of Enlightenment prohibitions against the state.

The stakes are much higher than theft.  You can draw a pretty straight line from money manipulation to almost all major modern social ills, including pollution, addiction and other manifestations of unhappiness, wars and terrorism.
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November 28, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
#49
During 'normal' times, most people believe we have a free market, because the manipulation of money and debt is under the surface.  The more the elites get into trouble (like having to fight post-crisis deflationary forces over the last eight years,) the more they are forced to expose the non-free nature of their 'market' system, such as with 'quantitative easing', i.e. printing money.  But they will do it, if they have to.

Because the goal is never to maintain a free market.  The goal has always been to manipulate the economy to give unearned wealth and power to politicians and bankers.

That can hardly be argued. But should we really think that this wealth is so unearned? They grabbed the power, and they are profiting off it. Or do you really think that anyone else who could dethrone them and take their place would behave differently in the end? The new elites would have to fight with the old ones to take their place, but they would be fighting not in the name of equality, fraternity and liberty for everyone, but just to make profits themselves.
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November 28, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
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aw I never thought it would been so bad than i though If the Fed really buy the stock that is the end of the united states economy as a free market. if this will be very bad in economy it could crash the cycle of economy i would be better get saves and wait for the balance of the economy . do you think dollar will be crash ?

The Italian Renaissance (in the 1400s) was the last true free market economy in the modern age.

Otherwise, we have a system that pretends to be free market.  Yes, Four Seasons competes freely against Ritz Carlton, but the size of entire luxury hotel market is determined by how much money central banks put into economies.

During 'normal' times, most people believe we have a free market, because the manipulation of money and debt is under the surface.  The more the elites get into trouble (like having to fight post-crisis deflationary forces over the last eight years,) the more they are forced to expose the non-free nature of their 'market' system, such as with 'quantitative easing', i.e. printing money.  But they will do it, if they have to.

Because the goal is never to maintain a free market.  The goal has always been to manipulate the economy to give unearned wealth and power to politicians and bankers.
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November 24, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
#47
Japan is different. It is a country of senior citizen. The population is not rising but falling. American is still growing.

After Trump builds his Trump Wall along the US-Mexico border, sets a lot of other barriers to keep immigrants from entering the country, and deports the rest of them all, the US population may start declining as fast as that of Japan, or even faster. Maybe, the Fed had been anticipating his victory, just like the IRS from another thread, and acted in advance?

LOZ Trumo is very local from the very start so I think since he won in US Presidency they are recalculating their actions. I think its good for US if Feds considering buying stocks.
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November 24, 2016, 06:51:32 AM
#46
aw I never thought it would been so bad than i though If the Fed really buy the stock that is the end of the united states economy as a free market. if this will be very bad in economy it could crash the cycle of economy i would be better get saves and wait for the balance of the economy . do you think dollar will be crash ?
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November 24, 2016, 01:11:54 AM
#45
Since Janet Yellen has confirmed that buying stocks is on the table for the Federal Reserve, what can we say, if not remain speechless?

Let's see, I guess the simple explanation is that the elites have become increasingly naked and desperate in their attempts to support what remains of the global asset bubble, to hold on to the last hopes of keeping their power and privilege.

However, I have considered the possibility that holding on that privilege is not strong enough a motivation for the sheer audacity and desperation of these acts: if the global asset bubble results in a true hard landing, even if that is ultimately a not-so-bad outcome for the world among all the possibilities at this juncture, it may be very bad indeed for the financial elite.

MUST maintain stability...  MUST maintain stability.

The central bank system is going to destroy the economy.

This elite is going to die and be replaced by another elite soon.
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November 23, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
#44
Japan is different. It is a country of senior citizen. The population is not rising but falling. American is still growing.

After Trump builds his Trump Wall along the US-Mexico border, sets a lot of other barriers to keep immigrants from entering the country, and deports the rest of them all, the US population may start declining as fast as that of Japan, or even faster. Maybe, the Fed had been anticipating his victory, just like the IRS from another thread, and acted in advance?
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November 23, 2016, 12:22:04 PM
#43
Japs do this for years... Look how it turned out for them. Their gov bought almost every stock there is. Their real estate business ruined. Their companies fckd.

Negative interest rates, helping ruined companies... Those are not the solutions.

If it is going down, let it be. Helping them artificially will only make things worse in the future.

It is like letting a cheater to pass the exam as a teacher, even if you saw him/her cheating. If they don't deserve to go on, they shouldn't have.

It is better now than tomorrow.

If not, they come up with craps like this:

TOO BIG TO FAIL.

No it is not fucktards.

Japan is different. It is a country of senior citizen. The population is not rising but falling. American is still growing.
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November 21, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
#42
Japs do this for years... Look how it turned out for them. Their gov bought almost every stock there is. Their real estate business ruined. Their companies fckd.

Negative interest rates, helping ruined companies... Those are not the solutions.

If it is going down, let it be. Helping them artificially will only make things worse in the future.

It is like letting a cheater to pass the exam as a teacher, even if you saw him/her cheating. If they don't deserve to go on, they shouldn't have.

It is better now than tomorrow.

If not, they come up with craps like this:

TOO BIG TO FAIL.

No it is not fucktards.
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November 21, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
#41
It is not that the U.S. government likes to rescue bankers and Wall Street, they must save them because they are one and the same, so when they lose a lot of money in the wall street casino the government must save them with public money.

Right, the top of the world is an alliance between politicians and bankers that use public power to prop up the values of money, debt, and other financial assets.

In this alliance, politicians provide the state power, and bankers provide the financial know-how.  The central bank is useful as a stabilizing force to keep the alliance alive, by making sure neither politicians nor bankers issue too many assets themselves and destroy the golden hen immediately.  (This is accomplished by having control over the base asset, money.)
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November 09, 2016, 03:08:15 AM
#40
The Fed criminals may want to reconsider their decision now and instead of buying stocks rather think about emigrating somewhere in their entirety. Though I don't think they will be welcomed anywhere.
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November 08, 2016, 05:08:58 PM
#39
This isn't exactly new news here.  There was talk years ago of plowing Social Security funds into the stock market--can you imagine the kind of havoc that would wreak when the market crashes?  Government ought to stay away from the stock market.  Unfortunately the US likes to bail out bankers and Wall Street shitheads, thereby destroying the concept of 'free market'.  They're insane.  And you wait if Trump gets elected.  We be screwed, baby.
It is not that the U.S. government likes to rescue bankers and Wall Street, they must save them because they are one and the same, so when they lose a lot of money in the wall street casino the government must save them with public money.
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November 07, 2016, 03:52:06 AM
#38
I have been hearing for so long that the economy is about to crash, yet we manage to keep afloat. I'm betting we will survive whatever comes.
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November 05, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
#37
Considers buying stocks?  You realize even in their unaudited published numbers they claim to have purchased more than 4 trillion in equities...

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bsd-federal-reserve-banks-financial-information-201608.htm

Many believe the real number is >20 trillion dollars...
Knowing the US government, they'll have bought anything and everything to keep businesses (meaning corporations) afloat and get them through tough times. Corporate bonds or not, it's a bad thing for a lot of people. Noticeable signs of a weakening economy and something for economists to keep their eyes on.
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November 05, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
#36
This isn't exactly new news here.  There was talk years ago of plowing Social Security funds into the stock market--can you imagine the kind of havoc that would wreak when the market crashes?  Government ought to stay away from the stock market.  Unfortunately the US likes to bail out bankers and Wall Street shitheads, thereby destroying the concept of 'free market'.  They're insane.  And you wait if Trump gets elected.  We be screwed, baby.
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November 05, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
#35
Here's a funny thought. Will you all be happy if the Federal Reserve declares that Bitcoin might be a good investment and announce that they are buying and will be holding for the long term?

What would it mean for Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy if "money can literally be printed" into the Bitcoin market now?
Unless the Federal Reserve started in the mining business or had access to quantum computing and could mine all the coins immediately then there’s no risk of turning the printing machine in bitcoin
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November 05, 2016, 05:38:42 PM
#34
Considers buying stocks?  You realize even in their unaudited published numbers they claim to have purchased more than 4 trillion in equities...

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bsd-federal-reserve-banks-financial-information-201608.htm

Many believe the real number is >20 trillion dollars...

That's actually really interesting, I didn't know that information was available.

I would be interested to know your (OGNasty) or anyone elses opinion on the Fed buying stock.
Is this a necessary diversification of investments, a desperate attempt at stabilization, or something else?

As I wrote above, this link doesn't show the Fed has already bought stocks.

What we have is not capitalism but socialism.  It is a 'financial' and not 'economic' type of socialism as in the old USSR.  Only money and other financial assets are controlled by the state (and their allies the banks.)  This makes it possible for the system to pretend to be capitalist, since most people don't understand money, and top economists don't want to look at things the right way.

When this system is strong, the deception works well, as most of the economy, on the surface, works under free supply and demand.  When this system has grown weak (as now,) the elites are forced to tear off the deception and expose its core socialist nature.  If the alternative is market collapse, they would rather make the system more obviously socialist.

This is the core nature of the modern world.
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November 04, 2016, 03:03:23 AM
#33
Considers buying stocks?  You realize even in their unaudited published numbers they claim to have purchased more than 4 trillion in equities...

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bsd-federal-reserve-banks-financial-information-201608.htm

Many believe the real number is >20 trillion dollars...

That's actually really interesting, I didn't know that information was available.

I would be interested to know your (OGNasty) or anyone elses opinion on the Fed buying stock.
Is this a necessary diversification of investments, a desperate attempt at stabilization, or something else?

Maximising returns (through diversification) is not an objective of the Fed.
They would be looking at maintaining a stable environment, conducive for growth.

That is right. The Fed just want to keep the balance in the system and people still have confidence in dollar.
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October 26, 2016, 07:25:25 AM
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Here's a funny thought. Will you all be happy if the Federal Reserve declares that Bitcoin might be a good investment and announce that they are buying and will be holding for the long term?

What would it mean for Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy if "money can literally be printed" into the Bitcoin market now?

Haha thats totally funny but you have pointed out a huge possibility that will happen if in case dollar regression or dollar will fall face defeat and fall down. Bitcoin may replace dollar it is possible, if not one fiat currency will replace dollar in its throne. But possibly before the regression the FED will buy bitcoins and other digital currencies to be safe from whats going to happen.
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October 25, 2016, 06:45:12 PM
#31
Considers buying stocks?  You realize even in their unaudited published numbers they claim to have purchased more than 4 trillion in equities...

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bsd-federal-reserve-banks-financial-information-201608.htm

Many believe the real number is >20 trillion dollars...

That's actually really interesting, I didn't know that information was available.

I would be interested to know your (OGNasty) or anyone elses opinion on the Fed buying stock.
Is this a necessary diversification of investments, a desperate attempt at stabilization, or something else?

Maximising returns (through diversification) is not an objective of the Fed.
They would be looking at maintaining a stable environment, conducive for growth.
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