Also this has been updated so that it now includes anything within 100 miles of the boarder. that includes every major coastal city, 8 of the 10 most populous cities, and 15 of the 20 most populated cities. According to the ACLU this includes 66% of the entire US population as of 2007. That's right 2 out of every 3 US citizens has 0 fourth amendment rights when it comes to personal electronic devices (its like PRISM but worse, because it includes data that you never submit to any external network).
This means a department of homeland security officer has the legal right to walk up to you on the streets of New York, or San Francisco, or LA, or Chicago, or Houstan and, without any suspicion or reasonable doubt, take your electronics from you and search them.
1984 is already here, they just give the masses enough bread and circuses so that they dont notice or care. By the time most people realize what they gave up it will be too late.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/
Topic: Feds say they can search your laptop at the border but won’t say why (USA) (Read 1354 times)
June 11, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
June 09, 2013, 05:53:36 AM
The sky is falling!
Not really. 
June 08, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
The sky is falling!
June 08, 2013, 10:36:32 AM
If a border agent searches a laptop under "reasonable suspicion" is the owner under any obligation to provide the password?
The advantage of using an encrypted file (i.e. a virtual encrypted disk) is that the file can look fairly innocuous, especially if the time stamp is preserved. I feel that the pictures of my cat and my home recipes are much safer after reading through Truecrypts "plausable deniability" section:
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
Fortunately they can't steal your thoughts. They can't make you give a password. I actually feel compelled to Encrypt a drive with nothing on it and run down the border and see if I can get them to chase their tails.
Please do this and video it then post to YouTube then link us to it in this thread. Omg lol
It must be because most of us are Anarchists here but I'm exactly the same, whenever people pull shit like this it just makes me want to piss them off
it would be totally worth it if you did do it. 
June 08, 2013, 02:06:52 AM
If a border agent searches a laptop under "reasonable suspicion" is the owner under any obligation to provide the password?
The advantage of using an encrypted file (i.e. a virtual encrypted disk) is that the file can look fairly innocuous, especially if the time stamp is preserved. I feel that the pictures of my cat and my home recipes are much safer after reading through Truecrypts "plausable deniability" section:
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
Fortunately they can't steal your thoughts. They can't make you give a password. I actually feel compelled to Encrypt a drive with nothing on it and run down the border and see if I can get them to chase their tails.
Please do this and video it then post to YouTube then link us to it in this thread. Omg lol
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So the total number of Federal crimes as of the end of 2007 exceeds 4,450.
In USSR there was less than 200 crimes in criminal code. Seems that USA is following their dead sibling USSR into making everybody guilty to something. Slaves must be kept in order by force of legal system. Stalin already knew that. 
June 07, 2013, 07:39:07 PM
If a border agent searches a laptop under "reasonable suspicion" is the owner under any obligation to provide the password?
The advantage of using an encrypted file (i.e. a virtual encrypted disk) is that the file can look fairly innocuous, especially if the time stamp is preserved. I feel that the pictures of my cat and my home recipes are much safer after reading through Truecrypts "plausable deniability" section:
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
Fortunately they can't steal your thoughts. They can't make you give a password. I actually feel compelled to Encrypt a drive with nothing on it and run down the border and see if I can get them to chase their tails.
Please do this and video it then post to YouTube then link us to it in this thread. Omg lol
June 07, 2013, 12:29:10 PM
scraped from the NSA servers in Utah
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The fact there are so many criminal laws, the odds of no one breaking one in a lifetime are so astronomical, it would make DNA odds look like simple math.
Since the start of 2000, Congress has created at least 452 new crimes. So the total number of Federal crimes as of the end of 2007 exceeds 4,450. Ninety-one of the 452 were contained in new laws that created 279 new crimes, and the remaining were contained in amendments to existing laws.The total of 452 new crimes breaks down by year as follows: 65 for 2000; 28 for 2001; 82 for 2002; 51 for 2003; 48 for 2004; 13 for 2005; 145 for 2006; 20 for 2007.
Since the start of 2000, Congress has created at least 452 new crimes. So the total number of Federal crimes as of the end of 2007 exceeds 4,450. Ninety-one of the 452 were contained in new laws that created 279 new crimes, and the remaining were contained in amendments to existing laws.The total of 452 new crimes breaks down by year as follows: 65 for 2000; 28 for 2001; 82 for 2002; 51 for 2003; 48 for 2004; 13 for 2005; 145 for 2006; 20 for 2007.
June 07, 2013, 12:10:11 PM
Ohh... wait... is it possible doing anything at all without committing a felony or a dozen of misdemeanors up there?
You can attempt to do your best. The best method to succeed without getting in trouble is to smile to everybody, behave polite and don't bring anything with you that might trigger a reaction.
June 07, 2013, 11:51:04 AM
hard disk encryption will solve this problem.
If a border agent searches a laptop under "reasonable suspicion" is the owner under any obligation to provide the password?
The advantage of using an encrypted file (i.e. a virtual encrypted disk) is that the file can look fairly innocuous, especially if the time stamp is preserved. I feel that the pictures of my cat and my home recipes are much safer after reading through Truecrypts "plausable deniability" section:
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
To avoid issues, don't have anything on the HDD encrypted or not that may cause issues. Store it online, and retrieve it when you reach your destination.
If you have a file, and they for whatever reason do a disk image of your laptop, and then later on find out you have a big encrypted file, despite you claiming there was nothing there - then you might be in a lot of trouble, that can easily be averted by using the method I mentioned in the first sentence.
June 07, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
If a border agent searches a laptop under "reasonable suspicion" is the owner under any obligation to provide the password?
The advantage of using an encrypted file (i.e. a virtual encrypted disk) is that the file can look fairly innocuous, especially if the time stamp is preserved. I feel that the pictures of my cat and my home recipes are much safer after reading through Truecrypts "plausable deniability" section:
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability
Fortunately they can't steal your thoughts. They can't make you give a password. I actually feel compelled to Encrypt a drive with nothing on it and run down the border and see if I can get them to chase their tails.
June 06, 2013, 10:22:01 PM
hard disk encryption will solve this problem.
Better yet - just keep everything pristine on the computer. Have windows 7 installed, with some family photos and some business letters, then when you reach your destination, you just download the stuff you need from your private server. Perhaps an image with a linux-distro on it and with all your usual tools and sketchy files.
Some TSA officers would clearly label you a would-be-terrorist if you booted your laptop into a linux command line. You would probably be barred from touching the laptop, and for good measure, they'd probably put a bullet or some more through it. The link is from a visit to Israel, and added for humorous purposes. But, better to stay family friendly than to have eye brows raised!
Or if you feel firsky, just put this as the background. For extra attention, put on some anti US slogans. Surefire way to make the search extended.
June 06, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
hard disk encryption will solve this problem.
June 06, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/feds-say-they-can-search-your-laptop-at-the-border-but-wont-say-why/
Under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Americans are generally protected from unreasonable searches and seizures by government agents. But we generally have less privacy at the border—usually when entering the United States from abroad.
At present, border agents do not have to provide a warrant or have reasonable suspicion to search your laptop—they essentially just need a hunch. ....
Under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Americans are generally protected from unreasonable searches and seizures by government agents. But we generally have less privacy at the border—usually when entering the United States from abroad.
At present, border agents do not have to provide a warrant or have reasonable suspicion to search your laptop—they essentially just need a hunch. ....
My hunch is that any and all Tea Party members ....
June 05, 2013, 11:45:42 PM
government sucks bring on libertopia/ancapistan
June 05, 2013, 09:22:55 PM
Good on them - I guess they think it might stop some baddies
You're kidding, yes?Yes, I am - I wasn't expecting to qualify my answer as I hoped sarcasm was worldly wise.
June 05, 2013, 09:01:35 PM
The total control and 1984 will come slowly and in small increments. This is just small nudge towards total police state.
June 05, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
Good on them - I guess they think it might stop some baddies
You're kidding, yes?Yes, I am - I wasn't expecting to qualify my answer as I hoped sarcasm was worldly wise.
June 05, 2013, 08:52:20 PM
Good on them - I guess they think it might stop some baddies
You're kidding, yes? June 05, 2013, 08:41:18 PM
Good on them - I guess they think it might stop some baddies
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