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Quote from: Zeth on November 17, 2018, 06:37:32 AM

I hate when I hear “you throw/run/play like a girl” being said to boys and girls. In general, women have been oppressed since the beginning of civilization.....

Most women do throw/run/play differently than men. There's no oppression in those statements.

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Feminism as I understand it is about ending the male supremacy that is the foundation of all oppression. Why that would be different for non-white feminists, I have no idea. Choice, on the other hand, is beloved of the liberal feminist set, a goodly percentage of whom are the relatively well-off white women who annoy those less privileged than themselves with their tendency to be self-absorbed and to ignore the experiences of women outside of their own class stratum.

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I agree to that, my position is equal partners with men and not superiority to them. Feminists have made many great strides in the past, and the changes are still occurring. Far from over, far from finished, but still making progress. People are people, and people deserve to be treated as equally as any other people.

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I hate when I hear “you throw/run/play like a girl” being said to boys and girls. In general, women have been oppressed since the beginning of civilization. Feminism is about equality, not more power. People often forget that women did not receive the right to vote until 1920 in the United States. That was less than 100 years ago! And when you think about women’s rights globally, millions of women still have extremely limited rights. EVERYONE deserves rights.

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Quote from: samescrew235 on November 15, 2018, 08:59:36 PM

It is a valid cause when it is practiced to achieve equality. It's often misused though.

Therefore, those advocating for "Feminism" can never be the arbitrators of whether their cause is just and right.

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It is a valid cause when it is practiced to achieve equality. It's often misused though.

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Quote from: Mobeecryptotech on June 30, 2018, 03:39:19 AM

In societies, women believe they've been oppressed hence the need to advocate for the feminist movement. But it has been shown that women benefit from the patriarchal society they claim to be fighting against (e.g Ladies expect the man to be the breadwinner) when feminism stands for the equality of both sexes.
I would like to know your thoughts on this

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The concept of feminism is valid when women are fighting for equality i.e. in the work place, right to vote etc. It is the "modern feminism", the one that has been abused by social media that I consider invalid.

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Quote from: coins4commies on November 05, 2018, 07:16:24 PM

Its pretty telling how a thread of mostly (or all?) men is discussing feminism.

Feminism does not hate men (men should be feminists too). Feminism does not claim that all women want the same thing. It advocates that women be treated as individuals and not "women". Some women want a breadwinner (maybe, some men do too), some women want to be protected, raise kids, and stay in the kitchen (maybe some men do too), and feminism is ok with that.

What feminism demands is that each woman is able to be treated for who she is, and have her own interests and desires acknowledged. Feminism is first and foremost about that individualism for each woman. No woman should have those traditional roles assumed upon them.

I agree. Feminism is the freedom to choose women.
It surprises me that many men perceive feminism as something threatening to them. I think they should rejoice, because with a woman free from prejudice and not driven into any social role is much more interesting. Because with a full-fledged and self-confident person it is always more comfortable to live.

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Its pretty telling how a thread of mostly (or all?) men is discussing feminism.

Feminism does not hate men (men should be feminists too). Feminism does not claim that all women want the same thing. It advocates that women be treated as individuals and not "women". Some women want a breadwinner (maybe, some men do too), some women want to be protected, raise kids, and stay in the kitchen (maybe some men do too), and feminism is ok with that.

What feminism demands is that each woman is able to be treated for who she is, and have her own interests and desires acknowledged. Feminism is first and foremost about that individualism for each woman. No woman should have those traditional roles assumed upon them.

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All humans deserve to be treated humanely regardless of gender.

I read a study recently, where 80% of local women think it's alright for husbands to beat their wives. This was from the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The thing is; society is the problem in these areas. When society tells you something is this way because it's been this way; it takes a rebellious mind to challenge the status quo.

North Korea has the same issue;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/01/north-korea-women-sexual-violence-report

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“It happens so often nobody thinks it is a big deal,” she said. “We don’t even realise when we are upset. But we are human, and we feel it. So sometimes, out of nowhere, you cry at night and don’t know why.”

So ingrained into society that they cry without knowing why. That's pretty awful.

I think the feminism movement has merit; explicitly that movement outside the United States.

Now as an egalitarian, I don't believe that any person should be granted special privileges over another person.

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Quote from: Mobeecryptotech on June 30, 2018, 03:39:19 AM

In societies, women believe they've been oppressed hence the need to advocate for the feminist movement. But it has been shown that women benefit from the patriarchal society they claim to be fighting against (e.g Ladies expect the man to be the breadwinner) when feminism stands for the equality of both sexes.
I would like to know your thoughts on this

It's not about the benefits that women can receive. The point is freedom and equality. I think these two concepts are much more important than the benefits.
After all, these are the values of modern Western society. It`s the same for both men and women.

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You're making the error of grouping all women into one group that want the same things, which obviously isn't the case, just like all men don't want the same things. There are some women who are happy to stay at home and be a housekeeper and raise children all their life and that's pretty much it, whereas there are women who want a career or to start their own business etc, but what path they choose should be there's and nothing should ever be forced or expected of them, just like it shouldn't be for men. If a man wants to stay at home and look after the kids instead of going to work then there shouldn't be anything wrong with that or any shame in it either. Of course, some women will benefit from the expected system that they're meant to stay at home if they're happy to do that, but not if that's not what they want. Luckily a lot of countries have moved past that expectation but there are still some countries and cultures that lag behind where women are pretty much expected to stay at home and cook and clean and I don't think that's right if they don't have any say in the matter.

Ah, thank god I found someone on this board who I share the same views with. People don't understand that the first wave of feminism WAS about equality among women, but this new wave of feminism doesn't follow these same ideals. This new wave of feminism is one which hates men and hates everything about them. They're trying to remove the masculinity from men, and that's the plan in the end.

But yes, not all women are represented by this 'hate men' campaign -- which is something I don't think the feminists understand at all.

Feminism is a valid cause when defined as the equality of all women. But when it is defined as a campaign which hates men, then it's something I can't agree with in the least.

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Quote from: Mobeecryptotech on June 30, 2018, 03:39:19 AM

In societies, women believe they've been oppressed hence the need to advocate for the feminist movement. But it has been shown that women benefit from the patriarchal society they claim to be fighting against (e.g Ladies expect the man to be the breadwinner) when feminism stands for the equality of both sexes.
I would like to know your thoughts on this

women also have interests. there are many antiwomen formations nowadays. just look at the banking cartels they are dominated by gays.

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The feminist movement has effected change in Western society, including Women's suffrage; greater access to education; more nearly equitable pay with men; the right to initiate divorce proceedings; the right to women to make individual decisions regarding pregnancy (including access to contraceptives and abortion) and the right to own property.

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Quote from: Mobeecryptotech on June 30, 2018, 03:39:19 AM

In societies, women believe they've been oppressed hence the need to advocate for the feminist movement. But it has been shown that women benefit from the patriarchal society they claim to be fighting against (e.g Ladies expect the man to be the breadwinner) when feminism stands for the equality of both sexes.
I would like to know your thoughts on this

I think that equality of both sexes won't be as good for women as feminists think. They have wrong course because their course goes against feminists. I think feminists should think more about their plans.

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Feminism; the hot topic these days. And it is so for the wrong reasons. I think the feminism cause started out well. It will be stupidity to deny that the female gender is widely marginalized all over the world. It is very evident in different ways in the society. But many women have gone about battling this in the wrong way. Most of what is synonymous to feminism has done more harm than good even to the same womenfolk. Families are being torn apart, healthy societal values and norms are being eroded. And this has really invalidated the cause in many ways.

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I think that many just misunderstand main thesis of feminism, and these many are also claiming to be feminist. It is not about hating opposite sex, it is about equaling the rights and lessening discrimination.

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Feminists don't understand that the genders differ. They want everything and everybody to be equal. Thankfuly there aren't many of them in societies.

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Quote from: McEdward on July 31, 2018, 06:39:10 PM

Maybe feminism in America is aggressive. Women are very powerful in America and they use that power to frighten men. It is not easy in the USA or Canada to date a colleague. You never know what will follow up. I think men should be nice to women. Men should help them at work if needed and in life. But in most of the cases, women are smarter than men. They actually do not need our help. They just want to live in an equal society. In some countries, women do not have the right to drive or to talk in front of men. This is wrong. In that case, women should fight for their right. In other cases, when women abuse their prerogatives, well the result is terrible. They have no husbands or boyfriends and they end up sad. I believe we should support each other and help women/men whenever they need our support.

It can be difficult to date women in the USA or Canada, but there's no need to give up hope. I think that aggressive feminists probably have the most problems. I have dated women in the USA and in Canada and I have found many women who don't have any issues like that. I think it's funny that "feminist" is the word used to describe a person that wants equality between the sexes. Women are in the root of the word. Isn't that sexist in and of itself? It seems like some feminists act as it they should actually have more rights, that men should suffer for "what they've done wrong".

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