Fidelity President Files For New Bitcoin Fund - page 2.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on October 08, 2020, 06:36:10 PM

fidelity is usa investment company?
are they investing hedge funds big investors money? private indviduals ? or just usa pensions funds? tax payers money? wich one they do ?

It is a new found. So they plan to get fresh investors or relocate founds of existing investors.

The previously unknown Wise Origin Bitcoin Index Fund I, LP was incorporated this year. The early documentation provides little in the way of details about the fund, and shows that zero investors have currently participated. We do know that the minimum investment to join the pooled investment fund is $100,000, indicating this is likely only for institutional and accredited investors.

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fidelity is usa investment company?
are they investing hedge funds big investors money? private indviduals ? or just usa pensions funds? tax payers money? wich one they do ?

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Quote from: Lucius on October 05, 2020, 08:58:03 AM

fillippone, the fund for which the request was initiated by Fidelity is not ETF if I understood correctly from OP? This latest BitMEX news and comments from the CFTC should then be on the trail of some future ETF that we know has been of interest to a number of different companies in the past.

If things have to start cleaning up from somewhere, then BitMEX is a great start - but I wonder if the crypto market can be regulated to the extent that it meets the SEC criteria for the BTC ETF? As far as I know there is not a single active ETF request since the SEC rejected the last one in February this year (Wilshire Phoenix).

This is just a private fund, which means it will be targeting at a minimum accredited investors. Fidelity filed the Form D on 8/26 prior to any sales, so they won't have to disclose any sales figures for this fund until 8/26/2021, which is a shame because I'd be interested to see what kind of interest they're getting. They could opt to publish an amendment prior to that if they wanted to update the sales figures prior to that, which some issuers do as a sign of interest in their fund, but I wouldn't count on that.

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I think Fidelity is focused on deploying every available tool to pave the way for institutional bitcoin adoption.
On a separate news, for example, they lead an effort to promote a tool to simplify KYC/AML for bitcoin gateways.

Group Backed by ING Bank, Fidelity and Standard Chartered Releases Crypto AML Tools

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The Travel Rule Protocol (TRP), a working group favored by banks and traditional financial institutions and focused on bringing crypto in line with global anti-money laundering (AML) standards, has released the first version of its API.

Announced Thursday, the 25-member TRP working group, which includes Standard Chartered, ING Bank and Fidelity Digital Assets, has published the TRP API version 1.0.0.

The product aims to offer a straightforward way for firms to swap identification data about the originators and beneficiaries of crypto transactions, as per the requirements of global AML watchdog the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

You might not like that, I don’t, but having a sort of “walled garden” where “clean bitcoin” can be traded, is a fundamental condition for regulators to approve a Bitcoin ETF

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I am sure that they are going to get involved but for this one they are not going to be doing it right away and they are probably not going to do it too big neither. I mean obviously all wall street companies without a doubt will get in, there will be no company that will stay away, obviously they are going to miss a ton of profit if they insist on bitcoin bad narrative so they will all get in. However when they get in and how they get in changes too much.

If they get in big and quickly but do it on OTC that will not change the price, if they get in very slowly in long period of time they are not going to affect the price, so all in all we need them to get in quickly and on the market as well which they will not do neither as well, so it is not going to change much in crypto.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 05, 2020, 08:58:03 AM

fillippone, the fund for which the request was initiated by Fidelity is not ETF if I understood correctly from OP? This latest BitMEX news and comments from the CFTC should then be on the trail of some future ETF that we know has been of interest to a number of different companies in the past.

If things have to start cleaning up from somewhere, then BitMEX is a great start - but I wonder if the crypto market can be regulated to the extent that it meets the SEC criteria for the BTC ETF? As far as I know there is not a single active ETF request since the SEC rejected the last one in February this year (Wilshire Phoenix).

Correct.
The fund in OP is not an ETF, as the “ET” part of the ETF[/ETF] acronym refers to retail investors.
This kind on investors are tricky, because the need a bigger protection by law, as they need to be tutored given their contractual weakness. On the contrary institutional investors, able to drop investments in minimum chunks of 100K, are basically free to to what they want with their money.
So yes, I might have put the whole thing a little bit further.

So yes, they are starting to clean the markets, because they know that eventually they will have to approve a Bitcoin ETF, as the demand is too strong, and the money to be made is too big, above all for the exchanges and all the other zero risk actors (government, ETF issuer, etc.)

As far as I know, a lot of ETF requests have been already been rejected or put on hold:

This doesn’t mean they can fix the requests and resubmit them again.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 26, 2020, 02:40:33 PM

Ah, yes.
They like to get their hands dirty:

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The FT reported that the company had bought its mining hardware from the now-pivoted 21 Inc.

21 Inc, this brings back memories, are they still in business? The article is from 2017....remember something about a rebranding or something but I don't think they have launched any new mining gear ..

But about the cleaning, I'm not that optimistic about it, yeah, sounds good, everything will be legal, regulated no more face volume and insider trading, but this doesn't happen even in the already heavily regulated environment, it will take a lot for cryptos, and a lot of people will stick to those shady exchanges, those even worse than bitmex. Not everyone sees regulation and more rules as something good.

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fillippone, the fund for which the request was initiated by Fidelity is not ETF if I understood correctly from OP? This latest BitMEX news and comments from the CFTC should then be on the trail of some future ETF that we know has been of interest to a number of different companies in the past.

If things have to start cleaning up from somewhere, then BitMEX is a great start - but I wonder if the crypto market can be regulated to the extent that it meets the SEC criteria for the BTC ETF? As far as I know there is not a single active ETF request since the SEC rejected the last one in February this year (Wilshire Phoenix).

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An interesting series of tweets by Willy Woo, regarding the BitMex hack.

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Fundamentally the market is scared for all the wrong reasons.
MEX did NOT get hacked. No traders will lose coins.
Futures exchanges will clean up their practices.

We'll see less volatility, less scam-wicking, more spot volumes, more organic moves, more institutional money.

https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1311941304532627456?s=21

On the last point:

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The CFTC just announced they are turning the volume down on unregulated derivative exchanges and their dominance on price.
BTC is going to pop.

https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1311941309007970306?s=21

And lastly, coming in topic:

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CFTC is wrecking BitMEX for wrecking Bitcoiners. It's a necessary clean up step before an ETF can be approved. This is one of those "the herd is coming" events

They even explicitly wrote it in the official press release:

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Of course, cleaning the trading environment from illicit practices get Bitcoin Trading more reliable, safe for investors and more compliant with the US domestic rules.

I think that would be a massive step in the direction of the removal of the conditions didn’t allow for an ETF approval.
They are basically paving the way for Fidelity.

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Quote from: Lucius on August 27, 2020, 05:41:28 AM

can we say that 2017 was a year in which large institutions like Fidelity began to take Bitcoin more seriously, but it took them several years to decide on more serious moves?

You could sum it up that way. Introducing a fund would mean exposing it to their investors and they would need to do a lot of research on it as well as work out the technical and legal procedures inorder to arrive at the finished product. During that time they and their investors could have personally been heavily invested in bitcoin.

@fillipone, this is another bullish news and when you put it together the way you have, it shows a pattern of interest from the institutional sector, a few years ago, institutional money coming into Bitcoin was only discussed as a possibility. Bull run imminent?

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It seems that only positive news has been coming lately, and when we read words like "Bitcoin fund, Fidelity, $8.3 trillion" in the same sentence, then in combination with everything else we can conclude that there is a lot of interest in investing in Bitcoin.

I remember Fidelity popping up in the media about 3 years ago when it allowed its clients to gain insight into their crypto holdings on the Fidelity site through Coinbase.

Quote from: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/09/fidelity-allows-clients-to-see-digital-currencies-on-its-website.html

Fidelity Investments Inc has started allowing clients to use its website to view their holdings of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies held through digital wallet provider Coinbase. Through the experiment, the company said it aims to learn more about digital currencies.

It is also significant that the company then admitted that it wanted to learn more about digital currencies, which after three years resulted in the establishment of the Bitcoin fund. If we look at the moves of some other companies listed in the OP, and the moves of banks in the EU (Germany) or recently in the USA, can we say that 2017 was a year in which large institutions like Fidelity began to take Bitcoin more seriously, but it took them several years to decide on more serious moves?

fillippone , what do you think about the amount of money that could enter Bitcoin through Fidelity? Given all the huge trillions of dollars that their clients have with them, can we say that between 3-5% would be a realistic figure or is it an exaggeration?

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Thank you @fillippone for sharing this news.
I think this is what we need for our environment & community.
BTC is not anymore just a "fancy" "nerd" money or just a speculation, but something that It's going to assume a strong value also in real world, and against all bets also in financial environment.
It was some years ago that Overstock started to accept bitcoin as form of payment, and now look where we are, it's just amazing!
[it's always cool to see that also a CEO has mined bitcoin some years ago Wink

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Ah, yes.
They like to get their hands dirty:

Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies

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One of Fidelity’s projects is mining bitcoin and ethereum, which Johnson said was started for educational purposes, but now turns a tidy profit. “We set up a small bitcoin and ethereum mining operation…that miraculously now is actually making a lot of money,” she said.
The FT reported that the company had bought its mining hardware from the now-pivoted 21 Inc.
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Johnson, herself is a huge proponent of the digital currency and has mined roughly 200,000 satoshis, according to the FT report.

She mined herself 0,002 BTC.
She is now amongst the people that immediately recognised the value of Bitcoin.
Not like the writer of this post who needed several years to get into the rabbit hole.

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Very cool news. I found this quote to be particularly interesting:

Quote from: fillippone on August 26, 2020, 12:23:24 PM

If those are the numbers: where are they buying? On Huobi?

I am going to find out.

I have no idea, but you bring up a good point. Bakkt? They're basically an options trading platform, but you can take physical delivery of bitcoin if you want as far as I know. I seriously doubt any institution with deep pockets is using any of the exchanges the rest of us do. Who knows? Maybe some of them have deals worked out with companies like Coinbase and Gemini.

If you're going to attempt to find out the answer to that question, I'd be interested to hear what you come up with.

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Fidelity is moving into the Digital Asset Management with a new Fund:

Fidelity President Files For New Bitcoin Fund

Quote from: fillippone on August 26, 2020, 04:52:15 AM

#phase5

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BREAKING: Fidelity president just filed for a previously unknown bitcoin fund: on.forbes.com/6018GWFbs by @DelRayMan

https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1298721704873615360?s=21

Fidelity published a series of articles focusing on "Bitcoin Investment Thesis" .

Bitcoin as an Inspirational Store of Value
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This report explores the belief that bitcoin can offer asymmetric upside if retail and institutional investors widely adopt it as a store of value.
Bitcoin's role as an alternative investment
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In the second part of our "Bitcoin Investment Thesis" series, "Bitcoin's role as an alternative investment" we examine bitcoin's ability to provide optimization benefits in a portfolio

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