⚽ FIFA U-17 World Cup Discussion Thread ⚽

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Quote from: armanda90 on July 11, 2023, 03:17:17 AM

I don't agree with the system used by the Indonesian national team at the moment, many naturalized players are forced to play in the FIFA World Cup U17 and it has a bad impact on local players. Currently, Indonesian national teams head coach have confirmed with 37 players take part in the selection but most of them dominance by naturalized. But is realistic because Indonesia doesn't have junior competition until right now they not start with junior competition when begin.

Naturalized players have been a long debate and it has been used by PSS for a long time and strangely it has not had a big impact on the development of the Indonesian national team but PSSI is still continuing their way of recruiting national team players, it would be better if PSSI started coaching from the bottom right only looking for naturalized players, as long as PSSI doesn't change its ways then Indonesian football will develop in a less encouraging direction, but I doubt there will be any changes in the near future because the focus should be on getting results instantly, while coaching from the bottom takes years or even decades before finally enjoying the results of seeing Indonesian football growing rapidly.

Quote from: armanda90 on July 11, 2023, 03:17:17 AM

What is the achievement of the U17 Indonesian national team with the dominance of naturalized players, are they able to qualify from the group phase or is Indonesia only a complementary team at the U17 FIFA World Cup?

Of course this can only be proven when the tournament is underway, the junior team's strength map is a bit different from the seniors so maybe the Indonesian team here has a good chance to win a match or even qualify from the group phase, and the mentality of the Indonesian junior players will be tested in this tournament Are they strong enough to take the pressure during the match?

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Quote from: tusandii on July 11, 2023, 02:58:48 AM

Indonesian mixed-blood players have always strengthened the national team and on average players like this have good experience competing with strong teams from various European clubs.
If you say that players from the village are qualified, that's true, but they only have good playing skills, even though in a soccer match in a prestigious tournament that also requires mentality and experience.
Problems of jealousy and conflict between players will never occur if all players practice and play well and can understand each other both in communication and in cohesiveness when on the field.

If a player is eligible to represent a team as per FIFA rules, then nothing else should matter. This tournament is quite important for Indonesia. They are getting an opportunity to participate in one of the major FIFA tournaments after a long interval. Performance by the U-17 team will be closely monitored. And in order to get good results, it is important to have a good team bonding and proper communication system. Descended players agreed to represent Indonesia as per the request from the management. If they are treated poorly, then that will tarnish the reputation of the national football association.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 11, 2023, 02:58:48 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 10:48:00 PM

I am still confused, why is Indonesia always looking for Naturalized or descendant players?
because when I look at how talented native players are in the village. this might jealousy result for each other thus often causing conflict between players. I often see too tarkam tournament on my village, the talented player equivalent to professional player on a big European club, but no one is recruiting, or maybe they should pay some money to the coach and official if want to play on national team?

Indonesian mixed-blood players have always strengthened the national team and on average players like this have good experience competing with strong teams from various European clubs.
If you say that players from the village are qualified, that's true, but they only have good playing skills, even though in a soccer match in a prestigious tournament that also requires mentality and experience.
Problems of jealousy and conflict between players will never occur if all players practice and play well and can understand each other both in communication and in cohesiveness when on the field.

Because they are not being given a chance to play in a prestigious tournament that makes them less of experience. I don't know how talent play seeker work, or they don't have an agent?. I think its pretty easy to looking for a Indonesian Talent player, they just need to create a competition like AGT (American Got Talent) but in football, this is a very good event, no one has made yet on television. this could be income for PSSI to develop young Indonesia players.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 10:48:00 PM

I am still confused, why is Indonesia always looking for Naturalized or descendant players?
because when I look at how talented native players are in the village. this might jealousy result for each other thus often causing conflict between players. I often see too tarkam tournament on my village, the talented player equivalent to professional player on a big European club, but no one is recruiting, or maybe they should pay some money to the coach and official if want to play on national team?

I don't agree with the system used by the Indonesian national team at the moment, many naturalized players are forced to play in the FIFA World Cup U17 and it has a bad impact on local players. Currently, Indonesian national teams head coach have confirmed with 37 players take part in the selection but most of them dominance by naturalized. But is realistic because Indonesia doesn't have junior competition until right now they not start with junior competition when begin.
What is the achievement of the U17 Indonesian national team with the dominance of naturalized players, are they able to qualify from the group phase or is Indonesia only a complementary team at the U17 FIFA World Cup?

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 10:48:00 PM

I am still confused, why is Indonesia always looking for Naturalized or descendant players?
because when I look at how talented native players are in the village. this might jealousy result for each other thus often causing conflict between players. I often see too tarkam tournament on my village, the talented player equivalent to professional player on a big European club, but no one is recruiting, or maybe they should pay some money to the coach and official if want to play on national team?

Indonesian mixed-blood players have always strengthened the national team and on average players like this have good experience competing with strong teams from various European clubs.
If you say that players from the village are qualified, that's true, but they only have good playing skills, even though in a soccer match in a prestigious tournament that also requires mentality and experience.
Problems of jealousy and conflict between players will never occur if all players practice and play well and can understand each other both in communication and in cohesiveness when on the field.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 10, 2023, 10:48:00 PM

I am still confused, why is Indonesia always looking for Naturalized or descendant players?
because when I look at how talented native players are in the village. this might jealousy result for each other thus often causing conflict between players. I often see too tarkam tournament on my village, the talented player equivalent to professional player on a big European club, but no one is recruiting, or maybe they should pay some money to the coach and official if want to play on national team?

In the end, the funding from FIFA depends on the performance by the national team. Naturalized and descended players with experience of playing in European leagues can completely change the overall structure of the team and make it more competitive. And Indonesia is not the only country that is following this approach. Alexander Merkel and Heinrich Schmidtgal represented Kazakhstan, despite being German citizens (both of them were born in Kazakhstan). So there's nothing wrong IMO.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 09, 2023, 10:54:57 AM

Of course, I believe the Associaton and coach appointed by Indonesia are currently looking for their best players for this big event. One of them already has talented goalkeeper Aidan Julien Bonvanie. He has an Indonesian passport and is still 14 years old currently he plays at AVV Zeeburgia U16, a youth club from Amsterdam. For Aidan's goalkeeper size to be so good, 180 cm maybe he will still participate in the selection. It seems that Indonesia is also preparing to go to Germany to train.

I am still confused, why is Indonesia always looking for Naturalized or descendant players?
because when I look at how talented native players are in the village. this might jealousy result for each other thus often causing conflict between players. I often see too tarkam tournament on my village, the talented player equivalent to professional player on a big European club, but no one is recruiting, or maybe they should pay some money to the coach and official if want to play on national team?

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Quote from: bering on July 07, 2023, 01:41:00 AM

drawing group will be held on August and Indonesia will not be in the same group as Brazil because as the host Indonesia will into pot 1 along with Mexico, France, Spain, Japan and Brazil so it will be slightly beneficial for them although to qualified to the next round is very difficult for them

Of course, I believe the Associaton and coach appointed by Indonesia are currently looking for their best players for this big event. One of them already has talented goalkeeper Aidan Julien Bonvanie. He has an Indonesian passport and is still 14 years old currently he plays at AVV Zeeburgia U16, a youth club from Amsterdam. For Aidan's goalkeeper size to be so good, 180 cm maybe he will still participate in the selection. It seems that Indonesia is also preparing to go to Germany to train.

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Quote from: armanda90 on July 07, 2023, 12:41:30 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 06, 2023, 11:18:11 PM

It will be very difficult to predict the chances of Indonesia qualifying for the next round, since the schedule is not out yet. It won't be that difficult, as the top two teams from each group will progress to the knockout stage. And also, competition at U-17 level can't be compared to that at the senior level. There is a good chance of upsets happening. The first match will be played in around 4 months from now, and therefore we can expect the announcement regarding FIFA on schedule and grouping of the teams very soon.

Pessimistic for Indonesian national team qualifying to next round due Indonesia not have junior competition U17, few months left before FIFA U-17 World Cup beginning Indonesian try to choose their squad by selection without having competition and difficult for head coach to know how capacities with Indonesian player. I don't think with long term training center will make Indonesia junior teams have solid performance because need competition how to push player mentality.
But group stage not drawing yet and hope Indonesian team in easy group without face Brazil or top European national teams because difficult for Indonesian teams will qualify to next stage.

Indonesia don't have much time for the preparation to facing this tournament and until today they still selected the players and choose who are the players who will be playing for this tournament and after selection over the coach will conduct the training center in England and Germany so they very serious for this tournament but indeed in the term of squad quality Indonesia is far below to their upcoming opponents because there are plently of strong countries to playing at there however drawing group will be held on August and Indonesia will not be in the same group as Brazil because as the host Indonesia will into pot 1 along with Mexico, France, Spain, Japan and Brazil so it will be slightly beneficial for them although to qualified to the next round is very difficult for them

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 06, 2023, 11:18:11 PM

It will be very difficult to predict the chances of Indonesia qualifying for the next round, since the schedule is not out yet. It won't be that difficult, as the top two teams from each group will progress to the knockout stage. And also, competition at U-17 level can't be compared to that at the senior level. There is a good chance of upsets happening. The first match will be played in around 4 months from now, and therefore we can expect the announcement regarding FIFA on schedule and grouping of the teams very soon.

Pessimistic for Indonesian national team qualifying to next round due Indonesia not have junior competition U17, few months left before FIFA U-17 World Cup beginning Indonesian try to choose their squad by selection without having competition and difficult for head coach to know how capacities with Indonesian player. I don't think with long term training center will make Indonesia junior teams have solid performance because need competition how to push player mentality.
But group stage not drawing yet and hope Indonesian team in easy group without face Brazil or top European national teams because difficult for Indonesian teams will qualify to next stage.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on July 05, 2023, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: Luzin on July 01, 2023, 08:00:12 AM

Indonesia has data on 30 players of descent and 10 people must have Indonesian passports. One of the most talked about is Welberlieskott de Halim Jardim, he's a Sao Paulo player and Gabriel Han Willhoft-King who plays at Tottenham Hotspurs' Under 18 years.

it would be interesting if the Host could deploy a squad that could compete with other strong teams. because we know that even though the competition is at a young age, Indonesia is not the favorite to win. they host, and not just make good hosts for a successful event. but if they come up with a good squad it will be even better value for the hosts.

It will be very difficult to predict the chances of Indonesia qualifying for the next round, since the schedule is not out yet. It won't be that difficult, as the top two teams from each group will progress to the knockout stage. And also, competition at U-17 level can't be compared to that at the senior level. There is a good chance of upsets happening. The first match will be played in around 4 months from now, and therefore we can expect the announcement regarding FIFA on schedule and grouping of the teams very soon.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on July 05, 2023, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: Luzin on July 01, 2023, 08:00:12 AM

Indonesia has data on 30 players of descent and 10 people must have Indonesian passports. One of the most talked about is Welberlieskott de Halim Jardim, he's a Sao Paulo player and Gabriel Han Willhoft-King who plays at Tottenham Hotspurs' Under 18 years.

it would be interesting if the Host could deploy a squad that could compete with other strong teams. because we know that even though the competition is at a young age, Indonesia is not the favorite to win. they host, and not just make good hosts for a successful event. but if they come up with a good squad it will be even better value for the hosts.

Of course that will be the concentration for the current Indonesian football organization, namely PSSI, on how to develop a squad that can compete well later in the tournament as well as being a successful host.
The strength map for the junior team is not the same as for the senior team, but I'm sure the difference won't be that great because the junior players describe the development of football development for their senior team later, so indeed Indonesia won't be a favorite but shouldn't fail to get points even if it can passing the group phase will be very good because it will provide motivation to other junior players to be able to develop their skills so they can compete in Asia or outside Asia, really looking forward to this junior team being a good team in that tournament.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 01, 2023, 08:00:12 AM

Indonesia has data on 30 players of descent and 10 people must have Indonesian passports. One of the most talked about is Welberlieskott de Halim Jardim, he's a Sao Paulo player and Gabriel Han Willhoft-King who plays at Tottenham Hotspurs' Under 18 years.

it would be interesting if the Host could deploy a squad that could compete with other strong teams. because we know that even though the competition is at a young age, Indonesia is not the favorite to win. they host, and not just make good hosts for a successful event. but if they come up with a good squad it will be even better value for the hosts.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 04, 2023, 11:01:53 PM

Quite excited to see teams like New Caledonia, Mali, Burkina Faso and Uzbekistan in this tournament. We never get an opportunity to watch these teams in senior FIFA tournaments like the World Cup or the Asia Cup. Such diversity also shows the effort that FIFA has put in recent years, in order to spread the game to every nook and corner of the planet. My main concern is that the two most populous nations (India and China) are still missing out. I am not in favor of giving wild card qualifications to these teams, but their absence mean that one-third of the world's population is not represented.

Looks like China and India aren't focusing again on football, they may focus elsewhere on other sports and technology, It's good I think, another big country with traditional football doesn't concern again to them. Maybe this is the right time to developing county to expand their young player to the football industry. but it is also necessary to study hard in Brazil and Spain. because they won't be able to Industry if only rely on their skill.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 04, 2023, 10:27:40 PM

I read that an event will be held from 10 November until 2 December 2023. Drawing country which will be in place in group held on the next month on Jakarta. Indonesia is in pot 1 with Brazil, France, Mexico, Spain, and Japan. Pot 2 Germany, Mali, England, South Korea, Argentina, Ecuador. Pot 3 New Zealand, Iran, Senegal, United States of America, Uzbekistan, Morocco. Pot 4 Canada, New Caledonia, Panama, Burkina Faso, Poland, Venezuela. Each group will be filled from pots 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_U-17_World_Cup

Quite excited to see teams like New Caledonia, Mali, Burkina Faso and Uzbekistan in this tournament. We never get an opportunity to watch these teams in senior FIFA tournaments like the World Cup or the Asia Cup. Such diversity also shows the effort that FIFA has put in recent years, in order to spread the game to every nook and corner of the planet. My main concern is that the two most populous nations (India and China) are still missing out. I am not in favor of giving wild card qualifications to these teams, but their absence mean that one-third of the world's population is not represented.

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I read that an event will be held from 10 November until 2 December 2023. Drawing country which will be in place in group held on the next month on Jakarta. Indonesia is in pot 1 with Brazil, France, Mexico, Spain, and Japan. Pot 2 Germany, Mali, England, South Korea, Argentina, Ecuador. Pot 3 New Zealand, Iran, Senegal, United States of America, Uzbekistan, Morocco. Pot 4 Canada, New Caledonia, Panama, Burkina Faso, Poland, Venezuela. Each group will be filled from pots 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_U-17_World_Cup

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Quote from: rdluffy on July 01, 2023, 02:44:39 PM

One thing that I also find very interesting about this tournament is that it is not guaranteed that the U17 or even the U21 will continue to play for the Brazilian national team
Many players who play very well and by logic would continue to play for the national team end up losing space and not being as successful
I would say that from the U17 team today, probably 2 or 3 will make it to the main national team

Naturally, it seems to be for all countries. There is no guarantee that all young players will continue to enter the senior team. This is because performance may decline and there will be players who have better abilities at that time. So all players need to work hard to maintain their abilities to get better and not decrease. Of course coaching at club level and the ability to continue training will affect. So many scouts will look at this event, they will certainly use it to find quality players to attract in the club and nurture them to develop better.

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Quote from: rdluffy on July 01, 2023, 02:44:39 PM

One thing that I also find very interesting about this tournament is that it is not guaranteed that the U17 or even the U21 will continue to play for the Brazilian national team
Many players who play very well and by logic would continue to play for the national team end up losing space and not being as successful
I would say that from the U17 team today, probably 2 or 3 will make it to the main national team

This might be a serious problem, but on another side this can be healthy competition for the team. As we can on the previous world cup, many top-quality players sit on bench, the coach at that time is not confused to choose a player and give a young player chance on the field. But, because they always overact and lost dramatically, and this could be the seriously problem if can't handle it. And, I think Brazilian players will not run out until next 20 years, they have good talent to bring them to the world stage.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 01, 2023, 08:50:40 AM

Yes, Nigeria did perform very well a few years ago, but lately, Brazil junior has dominated every tournament that has been held.
Nigeria has also produced great players but Brazil has proven to the world they have a history of very extraordinary players, namely Pelle where he managed to bring Brazil to win the World Cup 3 times and in the current era there is Neymar with very beautiful and agile dribbling skills also a star from Brazil.

For the tournament that will be held in Indonesia later, I'm still sure Brazil will dominate and come out as champions.

Brazil played a friendly match yesterday against the Mexican national team, you can watch the complete match if you are interested, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opP25T8Vefg
(in case you guys want to place bets, it's good to see how the team is playing, or at least the highlights)

Brazil won 5 x 2, playing very well, and it is worth remembering that Mexico is the current Concacaf champion.
It is also worth remembering that in the previous friendly match, on June 27, Mexico won 1 x 0 against Brazil

Quote from: Gozie51 on June 30, 2023, 11:24:20 AM

Nigeria has also done very well in this tournament winning the trophy 5 times ahead of Brazil who have won it 4 times. Nigeria has also produced very good players who later got into u-20 team and senior team super eagles. But unfortunately, Nigeria will not be featuring in this years Asian tournament hosted by Indonesia in November/December after they lost to Burkina Faso at the last group stage.

Nigeria won a FIFA World Cup in 1985, but back then it was an U16, after that URSS and Saudi Arabia were champions and then the tournament changed to U17
If we consider that they are the same, yes, Nigeria won 5 times and Brazil 4. I don't know if FIFA considers the same tournament

One thing that I also find very interesting about this tournament is that it is not guaranteed that the U17 or even the U21 will continue to play for the Brazilian national team
Many players who play very well and by logic would continue to play for the national team end up losing space and not being as successful
I would say that from the U17 team today, probably 2 or 3 will make it to the main national team

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Quote from: Gozie51 on June 30, 2023, 11:24:20 AM

Quote from: tusandii on June 30, 2023, 10:18:17 AM

Brazil still has a big chance of becoming the defending champion because they always have very good junior players and so far Brazil has produced quite a lot of great and quality players.

Nigeria has also done very well in this tournament winning the trophy 5 times ahead of Brazil who have won it 4 times. Nigeria has also produced very good players who later got into u-20 team and senior team super eagles. But unfortunately, Nigeria will not be featuring in this years Asian tournament hosted by Indonesia in November/December after they lost to Burkina Faso at the last group stage.

Yes, Nigeria did perform very well a few years ago, but lately, Brazil junior has dominated every tournament that has been held.
Nigeria has also produced great players but Brazil has proven to the world they have a history of very extraordinary players, namely Pelle where he managed to bring Brazil to win the World Cup 3 times and in the current era there is Neymar with very beautiful and agile dribbling skills also a star from Brazil.

For the tournament that will be held in Indonesia later, I'm still sure Brazil will dominate and come out as champions.

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