Topic: Fight between BTC and BCH communities drive away people from cryptos itself. - page 4. (Read 864 times)

I disagree, partly. Yes, you don't see much drama anymore as long as you stay away from the cesspool that is /r/btc. However, bitcoin.com, which is in the first couple of results for "bitcoin" on most search engines, is a scam site entirely designed to trick newbies in to buying BCH.

When one side of an argument is literally trying to scam people, then there is no "meet in middle compromise" as OP suggests. One side is right, the other is wrong.

In the pepsi vs coca cola battle they play a game one upmanship where they simple promote how good their own product is. What doesn't happen due to trading laws is how they trash talk their competitors. Bitcoin and cash should do the same and just focus on their own

There is always rivalry especially on bitcoin which is the p[rimary cryptocurrency. Whatever the failures, it should be corrected and help provide the solution. Each cryptocurrency has its unique features and we should respect that.

Some inconsistencies people went out and left the team to compete with Bitcoin with all their inconsistencies, creating Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold and many more useless money. Bitcoin has a big impact on them in this bad situation. They do not know that if Bitcoin disappears, neither can Cash survive nor Gold! They've got their names even Bitcoin! They can only be a good copy.

Healthy Competition is good, but when Roger Ver entered the scene, it turned from healthy competition to something toxic. He is using some filthy tactics to attack Bitcoin and this evoke some negative actions from a large group of people, who are not going to allow him to spread fallacies and to attack Bitcoin in such a way.

Expect people to push back, when they are being pushed and stop crying if people gets hurt, if they initiated the hostile actions. BCash should never have used these dirty tactics, because it is already biting them in the ass.

If people shy away from a scenario where Bitcoin supporters are fighting against a hostile takeover, then let them go. We will continue to fight for Bitcoin no matter if they are on-board or not. 

as you said craig is creating a coin...... and.... nothing
coins are created every day.
the point is while everyone finger points at another coin. they are not looking at the core devs.
let him make 500 coins.. let him wear a dress and put a flower in his hair.. its just drama

ver drama, is just drama.
there was no gun.. to use your example. his "unlimited" was never a mandatory thing. so it was all word and fear over nothing. even classic even XT. none of them had mandatory chain split code.
it was all distractions to create a fan base to put core devs onto a throne and declare bitcoin core the monarchy

the ver owns bitcoin.. again drama. persuade the sheep to put core on a throne with empty distractions of someone

craig wright and ver didnt manually code unlimited themselves. plus unlimited is on BCH. BCH does not affect btc

even hashrate does not effect things.
last week i seen the hashrate go from between 57exa to 42exa a 26% variance..
i seen the highest mempool sizes due to people trying to get in and out of exchanges
neither case was due to anything Bch had caused anything close to

miners pool skip daily.
its all just drama of distraction.

even things like wanting to fill a block header to prevent asic boost. is actually a distraction to fill a blockheader so that people cant just make easy sidechains and circumvent cores roadmap of wanting LN to be the only side option to onchain

but anyway if you follow the money. ver is paid by the same people that pay core devs and pay gavin. and also pay hearne. its all bribery to make them the face of distraction.

what i really loved.. november 2017. while the sheep were distracted by the ver middle finger. they did not see the "segwit1x lock segwit 2x blocked" event that the institutional investors paid the devs/contracted them to develop and activate. which when locked institutional money came flying into the markets and as you can see by the price mountain of november onwards.. .. well maybe most didnt see as they were too busy with social distractions of some non-coder sticking his finger up to a webcam

oh and the round tables of 2016. where developers plotted the roadmap options.. oh wait. too busy distracted by craig wright is satoshi and has some proof coming out soon.

all just distractions

CSW is creating his very own coin and he is actually involved in the process as we speak and he has been involved with BCH too and had actual impact. as for Ver, since you love example so much, for example if you pay an assassin to assassinate someone you can't say your hands are clean because you never touched a gun. Ver funded creation of BCH and not to mention the 24/7 propaganda machine that he runs.
oh and by the way it DOES have effect on bitcoin network. or have you forgotten the way EDA worked by creating a huge incentive for miners to switch (1000+ block/day or 12,500 BCH per day) and caused delays in block generating in bitcoin and made a bigger backlog?

as for Core dudes i never said they are perfect. in fact i'd say some of them should not even be involved in the decision making process. for instance i have not yet forgotten the UASF shenanigans of 2017 with Luke convincing people that it is fine to split bitcoin into two with only an extremely low hashrate.

the core people and cash people are both the same family..
its all drama
even those defending core devs are guilty of causing drama
look at your own words "ver wanting to take control of bitcoin".. thats you causing drama
wheres your unbiased side of core taking control. you do know that it has ONLY BEEN CORE side that has demanded and performed a mandatory 'upgrade to our code or else' event

but i also find it funny whenever i mention cores flaws people think i must be in ver camp.
sorry i dont play that game.

i called out craig wright on his scams, fraud and other bad practices.
i called out on vers issues too.

but dare i call out cores flaws... OMG thats sacrilegious
CORE actually code the core network. we need to hold them to account. other teams on other networks dont impact cores network. ver and craig dont even hands on code BCH. so they have less actual impact on the cash economy.. and by that standard as the networks are separate, even less impact on the core network

to me they are just ballerina's used for distraction and target practice to deflect people from seeing who is changing bitcoin core network for the worse

The fight between BTC and BCH communities, isn't driving away anyone from crypto itself! A fork regardless of how perfect is still perceived by many as an inferior and its the reason BCH community isn't happy! Most people who hold BCH now are those who bought cheap during its days at $100 and want to see it at $10000 overnight! BCH is only surving on the successes of $Bitcoin and regardless of what its community thinks, if you take the $Bitcoin off the "Cash" then its dead. $Bitcoin is being rewarded with popularity because of its fight over the years, getting up after every major fall is why people trust it! I love BCH too, but people need to understand that a 10 year journey gives you room for more experience than a one year journey! That's why BCH has to slow things down a bit, because its an altcoin that is only 9 months old. with all the features it has got, we might one day  make it top; but that would be when BTC retires.

If someone is pointing out the demerits and deficiencies of any of the crypto-currency, then what is the need to take it negatively? None of the crypto-coins are 100% perfect. We need to learn from the critics and then take care of any shortcomings.

people who aren't already in the community are rarely going to see the drama and the FUD spread by BCH guys about bitcoin. they have to stumble upon these things by accident because it is definitely not the first thing you see when searching about bitcoin. it might have been the case about 13 months ago when Ver wanted to take control of bitcoin but ended up making BCH but it is not so much these days.

Yeah this, I wish the community of both sides(not only BCH) would just stop throwing tantrums at each other and actually focus all their attention on development and doing something that could benefit the ecosystem instead. Some of the people on Reddit r/bitcoin and r/btc and Twitter are just something else.

Of course, these crypto currencies won't be friends, but I think that the OP urges communities not to smear each other. It should be noted that Bitcoin Cash has been forked, because its developers didn't want to introduce the SegWit technology into the blockchain. That's why they call BCH as "Bitcoin" and BTC as "Bitcoin Core". I'm sure that both these crypto currencies will not disappear and their communities will continue to wage a financial "war".

the drama is drama

its all a distraction to take peoples view away from the development struggles on the core network.
craig wright is a scammer
roger ver is not a code
both are not coding in the bitcoin core team..

so in reality.. they can dance around in twinkling ballet outfits with glitter makeup on.. it wont affect bitcoin.. so why even fear/scream/mention/dramatise them...

if you actually follow the money. they are actually deep inside the pockets of the team that envisioned and created the core road map...2015

anyway lets go into a coder that is inside the core team that has more questionable thoughts.

we have cores Luke JR attacking bitcoin cores network by saying it cant scale.
translation.. the blockchain invention is broke and wont innovate

we have him also helping with the UASF to show that consensus technology is also broke
first by saying that consensus broken because something can be slid in without a hard fork.
translation if segwit didnt need consensus or a hard fork. it would have got its place by december 2016

and then by mid spring 2017 that a hard fork doesnt need community consensus
translation his buddies managed to threat and fear the community to adopt a 35% voted segwit codebase. which without the mandatory threats and gameplay would not have got accepted by the deadline
yep he proved consensus can be bypassed.. although needed a hard fork to do it. but tried calling it a soft fork to sway the sheep to sleep about his hypocrisy

luke also helps attack bitcoin core by moderating proposals to stop random people from proposing code changes.
translation. proving its not open, proving its not random users able to add their part
thus keeping bitcoin core on the roadmap that the barry silbert portfolio really want.

yea barry silbert faked a segwit x2. but thats just another way to push the roadmap to commercialisation

but while actual changes are happening to the protocol to change it into something for commercial benefit.. all you will hear is drama about a hand full of guys not even coding core. thus not affecting core.. but hey.. look look ver craig don this. look at them ignore core devs actions look at ver. please sheep look at ver (note sarcasm)

now for the serious message. stop looking at the drama distraction and concentrate vet, review and hold those that can change core to account.

Pepsi vs Coca You -  a good comparison. In fact, arguing about which coin is better is a big waste of time and effort. Both coins are good and I think they are different.
Bitcoin as it seems to me is no longer a coin, but a speculative asset, which has become something that can benefit from storage. Asset or currency, it doesn't matter. Bitcoin is bad for regular payments. It was all very long with him.
Bitcoin cash is a coin that can really be used as a means of regular payment. But all coins in the entire history price up have not seen. This is the difference from bitcoin. But paying online with this coin is the best way.
So friends be patient and do not swear.

it's inevitable. there's a lot of greed involved in investment, and particularly in crypto because huge gains and losses can happen so fast, and because people mistakenly think bitcoin/altcoin markets are zero sum---not true. altcoin markets are a boon for BTC because they suck up lots of bitcoin supply.

lots of people try to act like their shit talking is out of altruism ("it's for the newbs! they're gonna get scammed!") but it's mostly just sour grapes and greed. i've experienced it myself too many times to believe otherwise. when you get down to it, people be like "if they weren't putting that money into shitcoins instead of bitcoin, bitcoin would be so much higher!" hahaha. it's all about greed. i got into it for a while in 2016 when ETH was starting to make waves. "who are these idiots buying this non-scaling scam coin?! ETH is total shit for x, y and z reasons! look at the fundamentals you stupid newb shitcoiners!"

now, i have no interest in that bullshit. what a waste of time and energy. it's too obvious to me now that altcoins aren't going anywhere, and that the next altcoin pump season is just a matter of time. that includes bcash. even if you believe you're helping newbs by constantly talking shit about altcoins, it's totally futile. the human propensity for greed is far greater than anything you could ever say. IMO, just let the markets be. no point getting angry over altcoins. when it comes to bcash, just take the high road.......

I agree with you that this so called fights doesn't bring good impressions to potential investors. But I don't see its the main reason for driving them away. Both side has its strong strengths and disadvantages, but we all know who got the traction and support of the community.


When big money is involved, everyone will fight to get the big slice of the pie. At the end, its still up for us who will going to get our support. I think the obvious answer is the real Bitcoin and not the fork or altcoin.

Fight between BTC and BCH doesn't drive anyone! We all know a fork regardless of how perfect it becomes, will always be perceived as inferior by most people! I think the BCH community is only envious of what bitcoin has become! In secrecy some people would give anything to see BCH at $10,000 but that's not to be, $Bitcoin has worked a tight rope for years and its hardwork of getting back up after every fall is the reason its being rewarded interms of popularity! BCH believe it or not is only surviving on $Bitcoin's success. If you take the "Bitcoin" off the "Cash" BCH can't survive the heat! they community just needs to understand this and respect until $BTC retires.

This makes me uneasy because I used to be a Microsoft guy and now I'm an Apple guy...man I hope I never become a BCH guy...