Looking for this Casascius paper wallet. Please PM me if you have one available.
I am a collector of anything that is Physical Bitcoin or crypto
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I'd definitely do it if I could generate my own. But I don't trust you that much and never will
You can generate your own address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-create-a-bitcoin-address-from-scratch-37997You randomly chose yourself the priv key (if you fear not being random enough, you can generate the priv key from a passphrase or from one of your file) and use the coresponding Bitcoin address
I'd definitely do it if I could generate my own. But I don't trust you that much and never will
check what Joric made: https://github.com/joric/pywallet
It makes exporting/importing keys easy without recompiling Bitcoin. It does it right to the wallet using a python script! Still new but pretty cool and easy!
It makes exporting/importing keys easy without recompiling Bitcoin. It does it right to the wallet using a python script! Still new but pretty cool and easy!
You guys are not being nice.
I don't think anyone has anything against casascius, this is a theoretical/practical discussion of the merits of his proposal.
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This is really no different than bitcoin4cash or cash2bitcoin where people send envelopes stuffed with cash to complete strangers!
Not quite, they receive/send you Bitcoin, which is a final transaction and should immediately be obvious whether it worked or not. The proposed scheme here could retain or lose in transit the private key, which can be used to control future balance in the associated account. It's like introducing the possibility of chargebacks, except on all of the balance as long as the account is in use
interesting concept. a bank of sorts. i wish you the best of luck in this complex business.
I'm not storing any balances or handling any funds - I am printing randomly generated numbers on paper, mailing them out, and forgetting about them, promising not to keep a copy. Once I send out a sheet, it's completely out of my hands.
We're to trust you not to keep them? Nope, not going to happen. No one in their right mind would trust an unknown 3rd party with full access. No offense, but this seems like a clear money-grab since the keys are a one-time use. Furthermore, this concept is not simple-for-grandma. A grandma isn't going to know what a private key is, how to use BlockExplorer, or know how to spend the money.
Have you ever heard of a bank?
People will trust this, eventually.
It may take 100 years to become fully accepted. But it is a sound business model.
Neat idea.
You guys are not being nice. This is really no different than bitcoin4cash or cash2bitcoin where people send envelopes stuffed with cash to complete strangers!
Or MtGox or MyBitcoin or anywhere else for that matter.
I concede they don't necessarily have to be nice - they are correctly pointing out that if they use my sheet, that I could be dishonest and stiff them. And when they say they can do fine without my sheet, nine times out of ten they're right.
The other 1/10 who gets stiffed, or who will get stiffed in the future, and see their bitcoins vanish, will have absolutely no clue who took them. The most they'll be able to say is "F*CK". Same with funds disappearing from bitcoin4cash or mybitcoin or in transit via the postal service. At least if someone gets stiffed with my sheet, they know exactly who to blame.
You guys are not being nice. This is really no different than bitcoin4cash or cash2bitcoin where people send envelopes stuffed with cash to complete strangers!
I would never consider doing that either.
interesting concept. a bank of sorts. i wish you the best of luck in this complex business.
I'm not storing any balances or handling any funds - I am printing randomly generated numbers on paper, mailing them out, and forgetting about them, promising not to keep a copy. Once I send out a sheet, it's completely out of my hands.
We're to trust you not to keep them? Nope, not going to happen. No one in their right mind would trust an unknown 3rd party with full access. No offense, but this seems like a clear money-grab since the keys are a one-time use. Furthermore, this concept is not simple-for-grandma. A grandma isn't going to know what a private key is, how to use BlockExplorer, or know how to spend the money.
Just seems like a half baked idea stolen from bitbills.
You guys are not being nice. This is really no different than bitcoin4cash or cash2bitcoin where people send envelopes stuffed with cash to complete strangers!
Yeah thanks for the effort but there is no way I would trust this. I would however happily pay a donation to someone who shares with the community a detailed method for creating and later using paper wallets ourselves. I know there has been other discussions on the very topic but haven't had a chance to go see if maybe a semi-easy to use solution has already been contributed.
See my original post where I say "Q. Can't I just do this myself?"
Fair enough, and thank you. Donation address?
Yeah thanks for the effort but there is no way I would trust this. I would however happily pay a donation to someone who shares with the community a detailed method for creating and later using paper wallets ourselves. I know there has been other discussions on the very topic but haven't had a chance to go see if maybe a semi-easy to use solution has already been contributed.
See my original post where I say "Q. Can't I just do this myself?"
Yeah thanks for the effort but there is no way I would trust this. I would however happily pay a donation to someone who shares with the community a detailed method for creating and later using paper wallets ourselves. I know there has been other discussions on the very topic but haven't had a chance to go see if maybe a semi-easy to use solution has already been contributed.
You run this for several weeks, months, years, and keep tabs on how much money is in the paper. You get bored and decide to take it all and move to another country. We have your thumbprint, woopty-fucking-doo.
What would I do with the 25-employee software business I happen to be running in South Jordan, Utah? Pack it up? All so I can steal somebody's bitcoins? This would make sense if I were a transient, but a little bit of Google and you'll see I'm not.
The payoff could be (much) larger than whatever the business is worth. Maybe you'd do it for the thrill. Maybe you would need a large/quick anonymous sum, which liquidating the business would not fulfill. Maybe you got into an accident that changed your personality. Maybe someone took your family hostage and made you do it. Whatever, there are a ton of reasons why this isn't something I'd bet my life on. And fingerprints can be lifted incredibly easily if you are as easy to find as you say.
That and it's not incredibly hard to create a fake online persona. The whole point of Bitcoin is to keep it peer-to-peer. Why would I put all my trust in a single source that isn't backed by anything?
You run this for several weeks, months, years, and keep tabs on how much money is in the paper. You get bored and decide to take it all and move to another country. We have your thumbprint, woopty-fucking-doo.
What would I do with the 25-employee software business I happen to be running in South Jordan, Utah? Pack it up? All so I can steal somebody's bitcoins? This would make sense if I were a transient, but a little bit of Google and you'll see I'm not.
The payoff could be (much) larger than whatever the business is worth. Maybe you'd do it for the thrill. Maybe you would need a large/quick anonymous sum, which liquidating the business would not fulfill. Maybe you got into an accident that changed your personality. Maybe someone took your family hostage and made you do it. Whatever, there are a ton of reasons why this isn't something I'd bet my life on. And fingerprints can be lifted incredibly easily if you are as easy to find as you say.
You run this for several weeks, months, years, and keep tabs on how much money is in the paper. You get bored and decide to take it all and move to another country. We have your thumbprint, woopty-fucking-doo.
What would I do with the 25-employee software business I happen to be running in South Jordan, Utah? Pack it up? All so I can steal somebody's bitcoins? This would make sense if I were a transient, but a little bit of Google and you'll see I'm not.
Of course. YOu are 100% right. But what is different here is my ass is on the line. Thief should plan on his ass being kicked if he is giving out his real name and address like I am. MtGox and MyBitcoin could stiff you any second, and your bitcoins could disappear if they get hacked (as has already happened to some).
if you waited five years and stole from just one particularly wealthy address, your deniability would be quite plausible and even, very likely, convincing in context to many people. who could say it was you who stole anything, rather than someone who illicitly gained access to the customer's sheet of paper in the intervening five years?
i actually trust you, and i doubt i could name five other members of this forum i would say that about. but sadly i would not be able to recommend a service like this.
Just curious, would you also say the same for MyBitcoin.com?
absolutely. indeed, given recent events, i trust them far less than i trust you. there's no good way for them to prove that the thefts that recently occurred at their site weren't at their own instigation or for their own benefit, just as you wouldn't be able to prove something similar the first time anyone anonymously stole money from one of your customers' addresses.
for similar reasons, the business isn't robust against that sort of bad publicity. if i were a competitor, all i'd have to do is buy one of your sheets, transfer 1000 btc to it, transfer that sum away, and then claim you did it. who's to know? getting rid of trust solves that problem too.
I can't even begin to understand how you could think that this would be a viable business.
Why not?
I guess we'll see what the market decides. Let us know how it goes.
The market is already speaking, which is why I decided to take this from a forum posting to an actual website.
the problem is that it's an unprovable assertion. nobody can tell whether you've kept the private keys. all a thief would have to do in your place is keep all the data, inspect the block chain periodically for a very large balance, and strike once many years from now in an entirely untraceable way.
Of course. YOu are 100% right. But what is different here is my ass is on the line. Thief should plan on his ass being kicked if he is giving out his real name and address like I am. MtGox and MyBitcoin could stiff you any second, and your bitcoins could disappear if they get hacked (as has already happened to some).
You run this for several weeks, months, years, and keep tabs on how much money is in the paper. You get bored and decide to take it all and move to another country. We have your thumbprint, woopty-fucking-doo.
I can't even begin to understand how you could think that this would be a viable business.
Why not?
I guess we'll see what the market decides. Let us know how it goes.
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