Finally! Satoshi Nak-AI-moto told me why he handed over the forum to Theymos - page 2.

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Quote from: Fiatless on June 02, 2023, 01:39:40 AM

The community shouldn't be tired of AI tools because this technology is the rave of the moment. Almost every top global firm is diversifying its operation towards this technology. It is not wrong to introduce artificial intelligence tools to members that could be helpful and make their tasks easy. But using AI to ask some irrelevant questions that will contribute nothing to the forum should be discouraged. We all know that these bots can only answer questions by analyzing information from different available sources and there is no information about Satoshi. And I am not also comfortable with the title of this thread because it was constructed to get the attention of members, meanwhile, the content is different.

The content is not quite different from the title as it reads Nak-AI-moto not Nakamoto, indeed it was constructed to get your attention and I'm happy it did, that's what we should also learn as writers. However, A.I unfortunately is currently trending more than bitcoin and the community indeed needs developers that thinks outside the box to get people's attention. I love the idea and concept of the AI that's why I shared it here, because those guys spent time on this and they did it for the cryptocurrency community it looks unprofessional yes, but it serves one purpose, fun. And we are learned enough to understand that the AI is not Satoshi it all gets information from already existing contents, and the forum should learn to appreciate any work that has to do with the growth of bitcoin, regardless of who built the AI, as if they were members of this forum, they'll be appreciated too, I appreciate them it's worth it, that's their contribution and they can build it to learn more about bitcoin. Newbies can interact with that AI to learn new ideas since it has nothing to do with investment and critical against some altcoins.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 01, 2023, 10:26:23 AM

I don't think Satoshi gave the forum to theymos directly.

I don't immediately recall what exactly happened, but I am confident to say that satoshi gave the forum to some other admin, theymos eventually became a moderator, and after some period of time, theymos became the head administrator of bitcointalk.

This appears to be a fun project, but generative LLMs are not good at stating facts. I am not sure exactly how the model that is being used on this site was trained, but I suspect it is likely the output may have a similar writing style as satoshi, but will not necessarily say something that satoshi would say. (there are sources other that satoshi's direct writings, so there may be many instances in which it will not match his writing style)

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Quote from: Accardo on June 01, 2023, 10:26:23 AM

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The result would be more accurate and close to the truth if you asked why Satoshi handed over the forum to Theymos with tarot cards or fortune telling on coffee grounds. Cheesy

No matter what Nak-AI-moto claims and whoever considers himself, this is not Satoshi, and all the answers to the questions (why he did this or that action) can only be found from him, and not from AI. This is a useless toy that has nothing to do with Satoshi.

Why do many perceive the answers of AI as a source of truthful information? This is no worse if I analyzed the information from a couple of other websites and gave answers to your questions. Not to mention that the information on these websites may deviate from the truth. AI works the same way.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 01, 2023, 10:26:23 AM

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The first line of the answer was, "I handed over the Bitcointalk forum to theymos because I wanted the community to take control of Bitcoin" Cool

. Well, Bitcoin has nothing to do with the Forum. The Forum was created to discuss Bitcoin. Every forum user is not Bitcoiner. I do believe there are a lot of users who do not own Bitcoin. Some of them are altcoiners, and some are no coiners! The forum community cannot control Bitcoin. It's created to be decentralized and will remain the same even if this community doesn't exist anymore or theymos decide to shut down the forum. Bitcoin will remain decentralized. Is it enough explanation to back my claim that Bitcoin Decentralization has nothing to do with the BitcoinTalk.org community?

Quote from: Bureau on June 02, 2023, 12:30:48 AM

I feel suddenly every user here is getting obsessed with AI. Either we are trying to detect AI content or we are using AI to create a topic based on our expectation & experience with it. I mean there are other things to discuss why only AI? I understand that the AI trend is here to stay but how can someone compare an AI bot with a human mind is out of my understanding.

This is the craze AI Created these days. Content creators started relying on AI, and they teach others how to use AI and how their life can be easier. Just imagine someone becoming a Web developer using AI and building a website. Now, when he needs to change something and check the code, he doesn't know where to check or understand what to do.

I am afraid of AI.
Elon Musk talked about this day which we are seeing now. He has a dedicated Video titled "I Tried To Warn You" - Elon Musk LAST WARNING (2023) in His Youtube channel. I don't know if I like him personally. But, I agree with him on many things. At least he doesn't talk shit.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 01, 2023, 10:26:23 AM

Yeah, Chat GPT strikes again. Be ware enough not to see you to your end on the forum. Having to use this app to do most of your findings could induce laziness into you and you gradually find yourself not being as efficient as you once were.

I could almost tell from the few sentences I read in the image post that it was all AI generated and sincerely, the AI didn't say anything that isn't already known, even go a newbie who have discovered the name Theymos except, for the bitcoin core developers role in maintaining the newtowrk as it claims.

In your bid to experiment, be sure to not violate forum rules. AI in the regard of the forum doesn't help so much other than to help you understand certain concepts and terminologies.

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OP, I don’t entirely disagree with you for bringing this topic to the forum about AI. As you’ve observed in this forum, nobody gives necessity to the idea of using AI to answer rhetorical questions that are unknown to everyone. There answers are fetched from the internet, from the views of people on that subject matter uploaded to the internet, this act can be termed “plagiarized” too.

AI can’t function on their own, they need data’s from the internet to support their reply they give to you. Not all answers from the internet are correct or justifiable, some are based on assumptions, which is a more reason why their answers cannot be dependent on.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on June 01, 2023, 03:55:59 PM

If I should ask now, is there any new information from that AI that cannot be gotten from this forum if a question is raised about it?

And let me give that the appropriate answer, "NO". Although I feel the question is rather rhetorical but it just feels right to get that out of your chest.

Well I feel you bro, but I think the fuzz about all this AI stuff is because is still in it early stages and humans are rather intrigued by the technology and are in the stages of using it in all areas of their activities to find the most suitable area but with the looks of its adoption here in this community, I think the AI is partially not welcomed as users tend to use it as an excuse for their laziness to contribute original contents here on the forum and even on their campaign subscriptions.

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

AI is a machine and it learns from data and human knowledge but it can not dig to find something which has never existed on paper or Internet or any database.

Funny, it works creatively to give you answers which satisfy your curiosity but information will be not correct.

Talk to Satoshi, I am deeply sorry but where is Satoshi Nakamoto to talk with Satoshi? Nobody knows, AI does not knows. The AI answer will be bullshit.

That AI possibly learn from this thread and cook its answer.
I gathered every Satoshi thread

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Wow, the fact that the website is currently overloaded with idiots breathlessly trying to chat with AI "satoshi" is actually pretty depressing. Cheesy

I don't know why so many people find this kind of thing to be compelling...

Imagine I set aside some time to read every one of satoshi's posts, and then said: Okay guys, ask me anything, and I'll answer it just like satoshi would!

Or, even better, imagine a bona fide satoshi "expert" offered to impersonate satoshi for an AMA on Reddit.

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Quite interesting, OP, what did you want to know from the robot? You wrote that you liked some answers; that's what AI is designed for. If until today we knew nothing about Satoshi, that is, there was nothing new on the Internet, what could a robot do? Where do you think he gets his information from?
Honestly, people who turn to AI for help to find information are like fools who believe in all the fairy tales that the Internet can tell. Wake up already; the Internet is a garbage dump where necessary and unnecessary information is dumped, everything in a row.

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How long are we going to get tired of seing people using Satoshi Nakamoto name to claim what they want to achieve, part of what they don't know is that they have already helped evangelizing the name the more and bitcoin to the world in their nasty way of funny acts of being Satoshi or creating a chat medium in his name, these are what a common and reasonable person should know and understand that someone like Satoshi cannbe found in meeses like this, the more they are attacking the more we are seing it as a promotion for bitcoin adoption.

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Quote from: Onset on June 01, 2023, 04:28:51 PM

made a lot of room for very damaging behavior like plagiarizing using it! I said a few days in another post, AI is in this case pretty much text spinning..

Those AIs compose sentences in such a unique way that they're not plagerized, but even in such a case, the forum doesn't still support AI content despite the fact that it's un-plagerized. Just in the past few months and weeks, some members were pulled from their signature campaigns in which they were participating, and the reason for their removal was because they used AI contents. That's to tell you how seriously the forum and campaign managers are handling the AI case for content generator. Users often read but don't follow instructions; that's why the AI stuff just keeps repeating.

Quote from: Fiatless on June 02, 2023, 01:39:40 AM

The community shouldn't be tired of AI tools because this technology is the rave of the moment. Almost every top global firm is diversifying its operation towards this technology.

Yea, it might be helpful in other forms of activity, but users seem not to be talking more about that but are always trying to show the usefulness of it in the forum, and the majority are also composing contents and using them in the forum, even though the forum doesn't support that aspect of it.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on June 01, 2023, 03:55:59 PM

The community is tired of this AI stuff, why do users keep pushing it here? Well, I don't see how helpful that AI is, and since it has different sources from which it collects information, it's easy to get wrong information from those sources, and someone can still add inaccurate information to it. But based on Bitcoiners common knowledge on the forum, who would not know that Satoshi gave out the forum to theymos just to remain anonymous, so that Bitcoin would remain decentralized. If I should ask now, is there any new information from that AI that cannot be gotten from this forum if a question is raised about it?

The community shouldn't be tired of AI tools because this technology is the rave of the moment. Almost every top global firm is diversifying its operation towards this technology. It is not wrong to introduce artificial intelligence tools to members that could be helpful and make their tasks easy. But using AI to ask some irrelevant questions that will contribute nothing to the forum should be discouraged. We all know that these bots can only answer questions by analyzing information from different available sources and there is no information about Satoshi. And I am not also comfortable with the title of this thread because it was constructed to get the attention of members, meanwhile, the content is different.

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That doesnt make any sense since no way that AI is the real reason for that, There are already tons of AI that are developed and I don't think we need or going to use all of it, one AI that can do most of the things or that can help you to your task what so ever is already enough. Having talk2satoshi AI seems to be useless since we all know that the AI answers are just nonsense and just lines that are made by the developer, I just doesnt see the reason for it. But I guess its just his little project so creating an AI is still a great practice.

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I feel suddenly every user here is getting obsessed with AI. Either we are trying to detect AI content or we are using AI to create a topic based on our expectation & experience with it. I mean there are other things to discuss why only AI? I understand that the AI trend is here to stay but how can someone compare an AI bot with a human mind is out of my understanding.

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This AI can never answers questions like satoshi because isn't directly connected to Nakamoto and may mislead individual I mean the future user or people who are not originally belong to this forum and whatever answers they got from bot that is what they would believe. To me it's not encouraging, now did Satoshi Nakamoto made any post regarding being handed over the forum to Theymos or it was just a random answer?

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Those text writing AI's are of no use even if they can create unique answers every time. Those tools are basically trained on data available for free, and they have been trained in a way that they can answer your questions based of that data. We can't rely on such tools because most of the times the can be inaccurate and that thing can cause misconception.

I recommend you to avoid such tools because it doesn't make sense to invest your time and energy with bots and that's really a sign of madness. Now, the so called engineers are creating such useless bots that claim to be Satoshi the real genius behind the creation of Bitcoin. How could they add the intelligence of someone like Satoshi Nakamoto? I think they won't be able to add such level of intelligence forever.

People like Satoshi aren't born everyday, such geniuses are born once in a decade, and they are born to bring change in the minds and the systems. Just try to imagine that how much work the Satoshi might have done during the creation of Bitcoin. He must have not slept for hundreds of night for creating and fixing Bitcoin and its code. It's literally a scam to mimic such a genius guy by a useless bot.

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@Dr.Bitcoin_Strange finally someone who thinks alike!! AI is so useful in many other domains of the world but to Bitcoin I really think it’s only very damaging! How does AI help? By writing scenarios for why Satoshi did something? That’s something the internet has done for a decade.. unless there’s a flaw in the way Bitcoin works and AI somehow gets to find it or a solution to existing problems, for Bitcoin it’s useless!

It’s only created a new trend of scams called “AI Coins”, basically ICO/ICP/ICD/IC[insert_letter] reloaded and made a lot of room for very damaging behavior like plagiarizing using it! I said a few days in another post, AI is in this case pretty much text spinning..

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The community is tired of this AI stuff, why do users keep pushing it here? Well, I don't see how helpful that AI is, and since it has different sources from which it collects information, it's easy to get wrong information from those sources, and someone can still add inaccurate information to it. But based on Bitcoiners common knowledge on the forum, who would not know that Satoshi gave out the forum to theymos just to remain anonymous, so that Bitcoin would remain decentralized. If I should ask now, is there any new information from that AI that cannot be gotten from this forum if a question is raised about it?

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Like everyone else in the bitcoin community we all have a special question for Satoshi Nakamote, so two AI engineers created a bitcoin GPT called talk2satoshi. The chatbot claims to be Satoshi and answers question like Satoshi. I've been poking around with the bot, asking it different questions. It is open AI trained and has 5 sources where it gets answers, users are allowed to add sources too. The program just launched yesterday by two twitter users Pierre Corbin and @hugoferre_

I noticed the bot answers same questions differently, asked it same question repeatedly and got different answers. I chose the answer I like, though I missed one excellent answer, I didn't screenshot it. Currently the site is delaying due to multiple requests.

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