Topic: financing a 'Community Miner' project; Are You In? - page 2. (Read 4108 times)

I'm also a quitter...I quit drinkin & using  drugs 20 years ago & smoking cigs 2 months ago 

Wanna fight about it (Family guy ref) 

betrayal is not acceptable, you a betrayer unacceptable  , read my post?

Back to GPU mining,lots to chose from & makes a little more with 3 GPU's (450 watts) than you can with 3000+gh (600+ watts) of ASIC sha256 crap gear  

And ASIC crap gear you are stuck mining ASIC riddled crap coins  

first: I think you don't understand what ASIC is, and how much it costs us to develop an open-to-market ASIC chip, so you just, 'guess' it is very complicated and 'too advanced' while it is not.

second: A properly organised community can negotiate and control far more better than a single person.

third: You better understand one single important point: We have no choice other than fighting together to the last minute, no other choice and there is hope.

out of curiosity, what coin have you moved on to 

That is nice but where are you planning on getting ASICS?

Personally..Bitcoin is going to die..those mega bitcoin mining farms that keep getting bigger every day,will be the demise of it.

Move on & create or use another coin    I have 

I was just chewing this thread (which I started with a lot of hopes) and became so angry about my bad luck and fortune being born in and grown and stuck in the Middle Hell region ...

It is our fate in the Middle Hell and all other not-enough-developed parts of the world that we have to deal with dead or dying bodies of technologies, instead of the fresh and newborn  babies ... I got another sad confirmation about it in the last 24 hours as I figured out if not Bitcoin but at least this community is a dying or badly and disappointingly sick body.

As always, as a third world engineer, I'm a few years late.  

how is it? stay with me

Confronting Bitcoin centralization threat, one can imagine different classes of people:

1- One who does not understand and have not a clue about the role of decentralization in the Bitcoin, an ignorant, a piece of cake ready to be ripped off by Mao Zedong's successors

2- One who knows every thing and has surrendered, moved to Altcoins or is planning to migrate, a betrayer, one who has no sense of strategy

3- One who knows but has plans and opportunities to have a share of the bones in the ripping party , a greedy idiot

4- One who knows and is developing a counter attack strategy by promoting and preserving community mining , a fighter

 

I hate reddit and I don't know why, I don't feel good there and haven't registered an account, I had more hopes here to be in touch with fighters, people that do not give up.

Obviously Craig is right, he is the real Satoshi ... who else can be such a fool to ruin such a brilliant idea by choosing SHA256 (twice!) with that little memory footprint and no I/O at all ... perhaps he was a kinda ... somewhat like that Vitalik ... this is really an apocalypse ... even our geniuses are cartoons of a genius ...  choosing this SHA256 piece of shit as PoW, such an obviously vulnerable algorithm to ASIC attacks ... oh, come on geny! you better vanish man ... ASIC's existed much before CPU's, actually the first so-called 'computer' was an 'Application Specific' piece of shit ... you crazy man?


Now it is our reality, ordinary people don't mine, most of the total hash power is under the ultimate control of just one single person, Xi Jinping, and we have to 'trust' in his majesty not going mad and blowing everything. Pathetic!

back to the topic, back to the topic Ali, remain focused ...


Community mining is not a joke, it is not a hobby, it is not intended to be  'fun', it is a  fundamental priority for Bitcoin to complete its mission.


Things are complicated, game is not over, there are a few good news too:

1- Xi Jinping and his loyal citizens can do nothing  bad to Bitcoin unless being prepared for their share of billions of dollars worth of coins to be disappeared for ever, they are greedy and we have some time  

2- As a game changer, Bitcoin makes it possible for people to cooperate in a decentralized, transparent, democratic, smart fashion, it can be and should be used to clean the Satoshi mess about SHA256 and this ASIC attack on the network.

3- ASIC is not a 'too advanced' topic, don't panic! I agree that people with more resources have some advantages but how much? We can compete, don't panic!

4- A lot of opportunities out there. The core infrastructure is not the only place to have people contribution, we can open new front lines and fields, related to and supported by a reliable enough infrastructure but definitively distinguished and independent from it.

It is what I mean by a fighter, a person who does not panic, does not give up, stays stood, looks for opportunities and possibilities, has a vision, is focused and oriented toward preserving the most beautiful innovation in 21st century although it is made by a crazy, almost fool person: Satoshi Nakamoto.

Where in the hell are the real fighters? Is this community really dying?

I love being the ASSHOLE so here we go - after reading your comment above, where in HELL do you expect to get ASICS if other seasoned forum members cannot get them.  Is the Majestical Fucking ASIC Fairy going to sprinkle her fairy dust on some corn flakes for you?


ps- if you say you are going to design and produce them, please lock this thread and let it go away gracefully

OP registered at April 09, 2016.

I think he doesn't rembember the good old scam days..... Bick had some community project or something. It failed. And all these projects failed except Sidhack's stickminers.

So, just to be clear:

Naysayers should not reply

The original posting didn't indicate you only wanted positive responses.

cheers Dr. Kilo, a +1 here. Thanks for the advice. Hero members are acting much better than the legendary ones  

Just a quick note, I applaud your ambition and hope this works out for you.  Please be careful because what starts out as a good intention may end up being your worst nightmare.

Thank you very much for your kindness. You are showing commitment signs, keeping on this way you will be in Rome eventually : an interested, committed hero member of bitcointalk  

I knew there is a lot of discussion and proposals out in the community related or similar to mine but other than obvious differences the most important distinctive aspect of my work is methodological.

I have noticed most of this proposed protocols remain abandoned and obsolete because of the way they are presented and their road map to  implementation.

I'm from another campus, I begin with a use case, generalize it, abstract it, model it, build a total infrastructure, protocol, naming convention, anthology, ... for it and finally implement it now just as a sample!

See? I need a sample, a use case, a damn real, too real, almost urgent use case is needed for me to move seriously, I'm not a mathematician concerned about protocols and algorithms but I'm not a technician playing with API's and stuck in simple use cases, I'm a senior software architect/engineer/ programmer who finds and implements generalized high level ideas in the context of solving real world problems.

TCP/IP is a protocol and HTTP, SMTP, ... are stacked on it. Blockchain is a simple book keeping protocol plus a cryptocurrency mining algorithm, properly merged by a genius, neither this nor that is going to be changed or touched by my proposal. colored coins is a straightforward example of this, Name Coin (although being hard forked ) is another example, ....

And No! I'm not willing to make it a pure protocol proposal stuff, not interested, I prefer to remain focused on community miner hardware design and manufacturing and approach to the collaboration and crowdfunding issues caused by this incentive using my ideas about semi-smart contracts.

I'm not a protocol proposing guy.

Too many protocols out there and nobody even tries to understand them, thank you.

I'm concerned about leveraging ASIC technology in the interest of the small miners to keep bitcoin alive and safe. I see a very unacceptable situation regarding this and I understand there is a need for a collaborative, crowd funded action.

Meanwhile, fortunately I'm good at protocol and software design/implementation (somehow to some degree) and using bitcoin inherent potential I can design and implement a simple/practical protocol in a matter of few weeks to run a semi-autonomous decentralized organization based on a semi-smart contract infrastructure ... why? Not to sell my protocol stuff (I'm not selling any thing), to build a competitive mining solution for the community.

i missed the mention of the new protocol, that is definitely not bitcoin.  that single, what is it now 12 GB, blockchain cannot be touched by any other protocol than SHA-256.  that is the "encryption" and it cannot be "decrypted" by another means.  it would be like trying to watch a modern 3D movie with the old cyan/blue glasses, it doesn't work

i think you have so much going on in your head with this thing that it is not coming out smoothly.  also, you have the passion for your project, which is great, but don't get defensive because others aren't sharing that passion

get an old fashioned pencil and paper and write down the idea, map it out and start a new thread with a clearer roadmap, this one has gotten loaded and soaked with cross ideas and lost people

You are right, will take care more 
about something to chew ... oh, there is a lot:

1- The naming convention I have used, semi-smart contracts as a very important key
2- using and utilizing 'social capital' and 'networks of trust'
3- drawing a distinctive line between pure mathematical approach to the problem and a socioeconomic approach enriched extensively by mathematics
4- dealing with trust, promise, reputation, obligation, ... issues
5-....

believe it? I have already discussed all of these and a lot more !!

You give me half of this ideas and I'll build a full system from scratch. Unfortunately we are dealing with non-expert people which is totally disappointing and frustrating, but you are right and I need a lot more patience.

No, I'm not talking of an Altcoin. I hate Altcoins. By proposing a semi-smart contract concept, I'm throwing out basic idea of the most important Alt coin, Ethereum. When you get rid of smart contract discourse, you are back to the homeland: bitcoin.

i am not complaining, just saying that your attitude in that post seems like it will push people away.  i did not read the reply of the person that you are calling "interested" but you then deny them based on not having the proper level of "interest" in your opinion.  you are trying to sell people on a concept/model here.  the last thing you said is like a car salesman approaching someone on the lot, the person says "Hey i might buy a car today", which is a full on buying question/statement and you tell them "well we are here to sell cars to people that BUY not MIGHT BUY". i don't want to come across mean, just pump the brakes a bit here and give people some leeway to get interested.  you have an idea, you want people on board, give them someone to think about, something to chew over, don't tell them to hit the road because they did not call you the next coming Jesus for your idea