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Quote from: Trading on July 28, 2022, 08:11:30 PM

When both parties have nuclear weapons any war is unthinkable.

No one wants to go on history as the leader that wiped out half of his country population.

This doesn't mean that it won't happen, but not on a premeditated and rational way. Accidents and crazy people do exist.

Finland and Sweden know this. Russia won't dare ever to attack a NATO country. But NATO also doesn't dare to do more than send arms and little more to Ukraine.

Russia military fiasco on Ukraine only confirmed that an army runs on its country economy and Russia just don't have capacity to have a big modern army, it has the economy of Spain.

This is the stupidity of Putin's revanchist. Now it is as if the Russian Empire is rapidly approaching its death, and this is good.

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When both parties have nuclear weapons any war is unthinkable.

No one wants to go on history as the leader that wiped out half of his country population.

This doesn't mean that it won't happen, but not on a premeditated and rational way. Accidents and crazy people do exist.

Finland and Sweden know this. Russia won't dare ever to attack a NATO country. But NATO also doesn't dare to do more than send arms and little more to Ukraine.

Russia military fiasco on Ukraine only confirmed that an army runs on its country economy and Russia just don't have capacity to have a big modern army, it has the economy of Spain.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

Finland folded? I think these countries that are not currently part of NATO should just form their own grouping that would serve as a buffer between Russia and the current NATO. That way they can get concessions from both and both would keep them intact like how Siam/Thailand survived the carving of Southeast Asia.

I believe it's just Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Belarus that's bordering Russia that are still not NATO members. Obviously it's pretty late for Ukraine and Belarus isn't gonna try joining any time soon. If Ukraine survive this intact it should seriously consider talking to the other remaining buffer states to team up.

I think that if Ukraine had joined NATO in time, as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania did, then Putin would not have dared to attack Ukraine.

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Quote from: inoes on April 17, 2022, 06:48:39 PM

The more tense the situation, the faster they will come to a decision. however Earlier this week, media reports claimed that Finland was expected to make the decision to join NATO in June, while Sweden would announce its position later in the summer. for now it looks like Finland is not on the list of enemies of Russia. looks like the world is still safe in the next few days

Russia has enough enemies inside of 'Russia':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8

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The more tense the situation, the faster they will come to a decision. however Earlier this week, media reports claimed that Finland was expected to make the decision to join NATO in June, while Sweden would announce its position later in the summer. for now it looks like Finland is not on the list of enemies of Russia. looks like the world is still safe in the next few days

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Quote from: lumbanrang on March 16, 2022, 04:24:58 AM

The reason the Russians wanted to attack Finland was absurd because they had no problem at all. But there is nothing wrong with Finland taking proactive steps by joining NATO to strengthen their defense.

There has always been a war between the West and the Old USSR. With either side not accepting or acknowledging the supremacy of the other. States belonging to either side, deflecting to the other despite treaties reached could be seen as a bridge of agreement and disagreements is what breeds wars.

Although, it becomes a question of the sovereignty of an independent state when demands are made upon your state from a different and much larger nation. Putin sees this differently and so do other persons or nations that have a contrary view to himself.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 16, 2022, 05:30:59 PM

Russia didn't wanted to have border with NATO in Ukraine, so, no they will get 1340 km boder with NATO in Finland. This is what they wanted? Or they will try to demilitarise and denazify Finland too? I think I don't have to remind how Winter War ended.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on April 15, 2022, 03:14:37 PM

What about the rest 20%? On top of that, we should also take into account the accuracy of the poll, which is something unknown, at least till more of them rollout.

I guess that remaining 20% haven't decided or don't have opinion about this question.

That's my guess too, still, the 20% isn't enough to change the poll's final result. Russia doesn't want to be bordered with NATO, however, It's very doubtful that they have the stamina nor the power to go against Finland too. On top of that, it would cause a global outrage, I highly doubt that NATO would sit watching Russia declare war to one more country. I'm honestly hoping that this situation stops soon.

I'm currently in Poland, where a large number of Ukrainians have fled in an attempt to seek shelter, this isn't right. It breaks my hurt seeing all these refugees and the bombarded cities.

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Russia didn't wanted to have border with NATO in Ukraine, so, no they will get 1340 km boder with NATO in Finland. This is what they wanted? Or they will try to demilitarise and denazify Finland too? I think I don't have to remind how Winter War ended.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on April 15, 2022, 03:14:37 PM

What about the rest 20%? On top of that, we should also take into account the accuracy of the poll, which is something unknown, at least till more of them rollout.

I guess that remaining 20% haven't decided or don't have opinion about this question.

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Quote from: Trading on April 14, 2022, 05:05:14 PM

It looks like it's going to be real.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-make-decision-nato-membership-coming-weeks-2022-04-13/

The majority of the Finns also support this move.

Finland having the courage to send arms to Ukraine already was pointing for the move to join NATO.

On Sweden things aren't as clear yet.

Putin can claim that getting a piece of Ukraine deserves the price of seeing Finland and Sweden joining NATO, but he will get the latter without having the former.

I'm still astonished as how a successful dictator could take this stupid decision.

Some say that his isolation, caused from his fear to get Sars 2 (the big tables are proportional to his fear), can explain his paranoia and this absolute blunder.

Interesting, however, as the article mentions, there isn't a timetable on when that will happen. Recent polls show that 68% are in favour of joining NATO, while only 12% are against. What about the rest 20%? On top of that, we should also take into account the accuracy of the poll, which is something unknown, at least till more of them rollout.

Putin had warned about Finland since the start of the invasion, however, his army is now devastated, thus, I highly doubt he'd make another threat a reality.

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It looks like it's going to be real.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-make-decision-nato-membership-coming-weeks-2022-04-13/

The majority of the Finns also support this move.

Finland having the courage to send arms to Ukraine already was pointing for the move to join NATO.

On Sweden things aren't as clear yet.

Putin can claim that getting a piece of Ukraine deserves the price of seeing Finland and Sweden joining NATO, but he will get the latter without having the former.

I'm still astonished as how a successful dictator could take this stupid decision.

Some say that his isolation, caused from his fear to get Sars 2 (the big tables are proportional to his fear), can explain his paranoia and this absolute blunder.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 21, 2022, 02:21:25 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 21, 2022, 10:48:11 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 18, 2022, 04:30:28 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

Finland folded? I think these countries that are not currently part of NATO should just form their own grouping that would serve as a buffer between Russia and the current NATO. That way they can get concessions from both and both would keep them intact like how Siam/Thailand survived the carving of Southeast Asia.

I believe it's just Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Belarus that's bordering Russia that are still not NATO members. Obviously it's pretty late for Ukraine and Belarus isn't gonna try joining any time soon. If Ukraine survive this intact it should seriously consider talking to the other remaining buffer states to team up.

Uh, Belarus is a Russian outpost/ally, not to mention that it was hostile against Ukraine. On the one hand, the countries that do not belong to NATO and are neighboring with Russia (Moldova, Finland, Georgia) could be susceptible to a future attack. On the other hand, Putin have threatened them if they decided to join NATO, and as we've already seen, he's not making blank threats.

Yes I know about Belarus, that's why I said it ain't joining even if there is an initiative to form a bloc. Putin is the only reason that dictator is still in office and I suspect he's taking orders from Russia to flood Poland's border with "refugees" from the Middle East. Now these same people are mixing with the Ukrainian refugees. Double whammy.

None of these border countries alone is enough to resist a full-on Russian invasion. In a coalition they might fare better but I doubt their combined arsenal would match that of Russia. Still, a coalition of them would probably still be more tolerable for Moscow rather than any of them gaining NATO membership. I really hope Ukraine start an initiative if it survive.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 21, 2022, 10:48:11 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 18, 2022, 04:30:28 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

Finland folded? I think these countries that are not currently part of NATO should just form their own grouping that would serve as a buffer between Russia and the current NATO. That way they can get concessions from both and both would keep them intact like how Siam/Thailand survived the carving of Southeast Asia.

I believe it's just Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Belarus that's bordering Russia that are still not NATO members. Obviously it's pretty late for Ukraine and Belarus isn't gonna try joining any time soon. If Ukraine survive this intact it should seriously consider talking to the other remaining buffer states to team up.

Uh, Belarus is a Russian outpost/ally, not to mention that it was hostile against Ukraine. On the one hand, the countries that do not belong to NATO and are neighboring with Russia (Moldova, Finland, Georgia) could be susceptible to a future attack. On the other hand, Putin have threatened them if they decided to join NATO, and as we've already seen, he's not making blank threats.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 18, 2022, 04:30:28 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

Finland folded? I think these countries that are not currently part of NATO should just form their own grouping that would serve as a buffer between Russia and the current NATO. That way they can get concessions from both and both would keep them intact like how Siam/Thailand survived the carving of Southeast Asia.

I believe it's just Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Belarus that's bordering Russia that are still not NATO members. Obviously it's pretty late for Ukraine and Belarus isn't gonna try joining any time soon. If Ukraine survive this intact it should seriously consider talking to the other remaining buffer states to team up.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

Quote from: Trading on March 15, 2022, 06:50:34 PM

Now, the Fins are indeed seriously debating joining NATO:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping-all/finland-seriously-debating-joining-nato/vp-AAV2uzB
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/03/14/pekka-haavisto-finland-fm-ctw-intl.cnn

Finland sending arms to help Ukraine was an astonishing and revealing act about the changing policy.

Also the Swedes are thinking about joining.

Tell me about Putin shooting himself on the foot twice!

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

Revanchist Putin wants to restore the USSR. After Ukraine, he will capture Moldova, then Kakhastan. The West did not understand what Russia and the Russian people with their imperial worldview were, helped Russia in the 90s and now has problems. Putin is the modern day Hitler.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

Quote from: Trading on March 15, 2022, 06:50:34 PM

Now, the Fins are indeed seriously debating joining NATO:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping-all/finland-seriously-debating-joining-nato/vp-AAV2uzB
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/03/14/pekka-haavisto-finland-fm-ctw-intl.cnn

Finland sending arms to help Ukraine was an astonishing and revealing act about the changing policy.

Also the Swedes are thinking about joining.

Tell me about Putin shooting himself on the foot twice!

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

nato is just a paper tiger and is becoming more and more one (crime crisis, Currency Crisis, Media Trust Crisis)

its completely pointless to join it, and also provokes conflict, you will end up having only a political caste being part of nato, no one else.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on March 16, 2022, 11:25:34 AM

Quote from: Trading on March 15, 2022, 06:50:34 PM

Now, the Fins are indeed seriously debating joining NATO:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping-all/finland-seriously-debating-joining-nato/vp-AAV2uzB
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/03/14/pekka-haavisto-finland-fm-ctw-intl.cnn

Finland sending arms to help Ukraine was an astonishing and revealing act about the changing policy.

Also the Swedes are thinking about joining.

Tell me about Putin shooting himself on the foot twice!

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

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Quote from: Trading on March 15, 2022, 06:50:34 PM

Now, the Fins are indeed seriously debating joining NATO:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping-all/finland-seriously-debating-joining-nato/vp-AAV2uzB
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/03/14/pekka-haavisto-finland-fm-ctw-intl.cnn

Finland sending arms to help Ukraine was an astonishing and revealing act about the changing policy.

Also the Swedes are thinking about joining.

Tell me about Putin shooting himself on the foot twice!

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 16, 2022, 08:54:50 AM

I couple of months ago I saw on Russian TV a map drawn by the Soviet military analyst to show how all Baltic countries can be invaded.

Was that the one where they took Gotland and disabled all of NATO's communications and satellites and whatnot?

There were similar EMP fantasies about Ukraine too. I don't know who's coming up with that shit but I wouldn't be too shocked if it turns out that there were trillions of rubles spent on some technology that never materialized, money ended up in oligarchs' pockets, and Putin was actually told that it definitely works.

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Quote from: lumbanrang on March 16, 2022, 04:24:58 AM

The reason the Russians wanted to attack Finland was absurd because they had no problem at all. But there is nothing wrong with Finland taking proactive steps by joining NATO to strengthen their defense.

A couple of months ago I saw on Russian TV a map drawn by the Soviet military analyst to show how all Baltic countries can be invaded.

So I am guessing Putin's plan was to take Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Poland, all in one swoop.
Ukraine's campaign was supposed to be 2-3 days, 1 week to stabilize the country.

That is how nuts these people are.

NATO needs to go into Russia and kill these people so that they don't cause more problems for the world.

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The reason the Russians wanted to attack Finland was absurd because they had no problem at all. But there is nothing wrong with Finland taking proactive steps by joining NATO to strengthen their defense.

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