Topic: First (and best) altcoin ever: Tonal Bitcoin (TBC) (Read 9360 times)
feel free to send 10 TBC (or more) to my BTC address 13YGmE2CCAxWpAhqQSm5NVz9pU7Q4B22jm
Where's the "client" (or patch) for this?
next-test will support TBC iff you have a Tonal-compatible font installed.Here is a Tonal-only TTF that matches the Luxi Mono font.
Where's the "client" (or patch) for this?
I like how OP is super arrogant about his arguably superior design ... regardless of how it will never gain any popularity due to human beings being used to something else 
Base 16 is a superior system. It's just unlikely it will ever achieve popularity because of exactly what you just said. We're used to something else.
it is like buying a fish in pound or kilogram. BUT the same fish, the same fishing. I don't understand.
This is a crude analogy, but it's about right.
It's like buying 100 fish and calling it sande fish.
As I've said, I love base 12 and base 16 but tonal is funky as fuck.
| 00: | Noll | 16: | Ton | 32: | Deton | 48: | Titon | 64: | Goton |
| 01: | An | 17: | Tonan | 33: | Detonan | 49: | Titonan | 65: | Gotonan |
| 02: | De | 18: | Tonde | 34: | Detonde | 50: | Titonde | 66: | Gotonde |
| 03: | Ti | 19: | Tonti | 35: | Detonti | 51: | Titonti | 67: | Gotonti |
| 04: | Go | 20: | Tongo | 36: | Detongo | 52: | Titongo | 68: | Gotongo |
| 05: | Su | 21: | Tonsu | 37: | Detonsu | 53: | Titonsu | 69: | Gotonsu |
| 06: | By | 22: | Tonby | 38: | Detonby | 54: | Titonby | 70: | Gotonby |
| 07: | Ra | 23: | Tonra | 39: | Detonra | 55: | Titonra | 71: | Gotonra |
| 08: | Me | 24: | Tonme | 40: | Detonme | 56: | Titonme | 72: | Gotonme |
| 09: | Ni | 25: | Tonni | 41: | Detonni | 57: | Titonni | 73: | Gotonni |
| 10: | Ko | 26: | Tonko | 42: | Detonko | 58: | Titonko | 74: | Gotonko |
| 11: | Hu | 27: | Tonhu | 43: | Detonhu | 59: | Titonhu | 75: | Gotonhu |
| 12: | Vy | 28: | Tonvi | 44: | Detonvy | 60: | Titonvy | 76: | Gotonvy |
| 13: | La | 29: | Tonla | 45: | Detonla | 61: | Titonla | 77: | Gotonla |
| 14: | Po | 30: | Tonpo | 46: | Detonpo | 62: | Titonpo | 78: | Gotonpo |
| 15: | Fy | 31: | Tonfy | 47: | Detonfy | 63: | Titonfy | 79: | Gotonfy |
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256: San
257: Sanan
267: Santonan
326: Sangotonby
etc etc etc
it is like buying a fish in pound or kilogram. BUT the same fish, the same fishing. I don't understand.
This isn't an altcoin. It's just a different display metric for bitcoin.
Indeed. A system that doesn't function as an alternative to bitcoin is not altcoin.
"an, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton, ton-an, etc..."
This is way over my head, can we stick to a,e,i,o,u instead?
This is way over my head, can we stick to a,e,i,o,u instead?
And hey, OP, the only reason I am still talking is because you tried to say there was no way to pronounce hexadecimal numbers lol..
This is very cool, I have to get my head around it, but this is exactly the sort of cool innovation and experimentation I think bitcoin is supposed to inspire.
I suggest rereading my last post after you've had some rest...
Awh, but I got everything except why you were asking me how to say 1000(hex) in hex.
Also, even if a person is not tired, it's easier to understand your point if you actually say it rather then imply it.
So you're proposing removing "a" from the English language?
Oh holy shit. So does your client even change all the letters to tonal? Look, I'm not even going there. I'm not sure of the benefits or disadvantages of replacing LETTERS as well as numbers with tonal. I didn't even know that was possible!
Or if you just mean how does somebody tell if I am spelling a word or saying a number in hex, one word:
Context.
But 1F is not 16...
Lol. I made a mistake, sorry. 10 is sixteen. Wun Zero. Sorry about that. Still making the same point here, regardless of the mistake lol.
I was contrasting it to your "1000" which was presumably decimal.
I don't get what you mean. Do you mean 4096 (decimal)? How do you say that in hex? I don't get your question, you obviously know how to say it in hex, you said it. (I have been awake forty hours and it's 8 in the morning. Sorry.)
So you're proposing removing "a" from the English language?
Oh holy shit. So does your client even change all the letters to tonal? Look, I'm not even going there. I'm not sure of the benefits or disadvantages of replacing LETTERS as well as numbers with tonal. I didn't even know that was possible!
Or if you just mean how does somebody tell if I am spelling a word or saying a number in hex, one word:
Context.
If you mean something else, you're going to have to just say it rather then imply it with a rhetorical question.
But 1F is not 16...
Lol. I made a mistake, sorry. 10 is sixteen. Wun Zero. Sorry about that. Still making the same point here, regardless of the mistake lol.
I was contrasting it to your "1000" which was presumably decimal.
I don't get what you mean. Do you mean 4096 (decimal)? How do you say that in hex? I don't get your question, you obviously know how to say it in hex, you said it. (I have been awake forty hours and it's 8 in the morning. Sorry.)
What's the difference between "a" (1) and "ay" (5*2)?
Eh? I don't get what you mean. 1 is pronounced "wun" and 10 (5x2?) is pronounced "ay".Wun Ef is how you pronounce 16.
I wasn't bothered to look up IPA, I was merely writing how to pronounce 1F.. Lol.How about 0x1000?
Wait.. why do you need to actually define numerical constants with 0x when you are SPEAKING, isn't it a given that you are talking about a number when you are actually SPEAKING because of context? I assumed since you were only used a base 16 system for numbers that the 0x would be unnecessary.What's the difference between "a" (1) and "ay" (5*2)?
Eh? I don't get what you mean. 1 is pronounced "wun" and 10 (5x2?) is pronounced "ay".
Wun Ef is how you pronounce 16.
I wasn't bothered to look up IPA, I was merely writing how to pronounce 1F.. Lol.
How about 0x1000?
Wait.. why do you need to actually define numerical constants with 0x when you are SPEAKING, isn't it a given that you are talking about a number when you are actually SPEAKING because of context? I assumed since you were only used a base 16 system for numbers that the 0x would be unnecessary.
"Ti-bong, ni-mill, la-san, me-ton, ra." - 9 syllables
Of course, in both decimal and tonal you could always list the digits too:
"two three six nine three five" - 8 syllables.
"ti ni la me ra" - 5 syllables.
Of course, in both decimal and tonal you could always list the digits too:
"two three six nine three five" - 8 syllables.
"ti ni la me ra" - 5 syllables.
I apologize, I must of removed the part that said that was a rhetorical question lol. It also takes five syllables in hex.
It will ALWAYS take the same amount of syllables to list the individuals numbers in hex OR tonal. Unless there is a zero or a seven, then it will take one more syllable for every zero or seven in the number in hex.
Though I would prefer hexadecimal any day. It's MUCH easier to get used to "012345689ABCDEF" rather than some kooky "An, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton."
How can you get used to something which doesn't really exist? "012345689ABCDEF" only covers writing, not speech."123456789" (with a tonal-compatible font) is the equivalent in tonal.
Are you kidding me?
Ay. Bee. See. Dee. Ee. Ef.
Wun Ef is how you pronounce 16.
Eh?Three Ee Eight is how you pronounce 1000.
How about 0x1000?It's not that hard. And there are less examples of pronouncing a number in hex taking more syllables then there are with decimal numbers.
Sure with hex, it might be hard to say 10,000, but it's easier to say every number between those ending in multiple zeroes in almost every case.
Sixty five thousand five hundred and thirty six. That's TWELVE syllabes.
Wun Zero Zero Zero Zero. That's TEN syllables.
How do you say two hundred and thirty six thousand nine hundred and thirty five in tonal? It takes SIXTEEN syllables to say that in decimal.
Cause I bet it's going to take at least as many syllables as "Three Nine Dee Eight Ef" (That's five, by the way) which it would take in hex.
"Ti-bong, ni-mill, la-san, me-ton, ra." - 9 syllablesSure with hex, it might be hard to say 10,000, but it's easier to say every number between those ending in multiple zeroes in almost every case.
Sixty five thousand five hundred and thirty six. That's TWELVE syllabes.
Wun Zero Zero Zero Zero. That's TEN syllables.
How do you say two hundred and thirty six thousand nine hundred and thirty five in tonal? It takes SIXTEEN syllables to say that in decimal.
Cause I bet it's going to take at least as many syllables as "Three Nine Dee Eight Ef" (That's five, by the way) which it would take in hex.
Of course, in both decimal and tonal you could always list the digits too:
"two three six nine three five" - 8 syllables.
"ti ni la me ra" - 5 syllables.
Though I would prefer hexadecimal any day. It's MUCH easier to get used to "012345689ABCDEF" rather than some kooky "An, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton."
How can you get used to something which doesn't really exist? "012345689ABCDEF" only covers writing, not speech."123456789" (with a tonal-compatible font) is the equivalent in tonal.
Are you kidding me?
Ay. Bee. See. Dee. Ee. Ef.
Wun Ef is how you pronounce 16.
Three Ee Eight is how you pronounce 1000.
It's not that hard. And there are less examples of pronouncing a number in hex taking more syllables then there are with decimal numbers.
Sure with hex, it might be hard to say 10,000, but it's easier to say every number between those few numbers ending in multiple zeroes in almost every case.
Sixty five thousand five hundred and thirty six. That's TWELVE syllabes.
Wun Zero Zero Zero Zero. That's TEN syllables.
How do you say two hundred and thirty six thousand nine hundred and thirty five in tonal? It takes SIXTEEN syllables to say that in decimal.
Cause I bet it's going to take at least as many syllables as "Three Nine Dee Eight Ef" (That's five, by the way) which it would take in hex. (It would also take five syllables in tonal, in this case.)
2147483647
Decimal: Two billion, one hundred and forty seven million four hundred and eighty three thousand six hundred and forty seven. (THIRTY SYLLABLES)
Hexadecimal: Seven ef ef ef ef ef ef ef. (NINE SYLLABLES)
Tonal: Ra ton ton ton ton ton ton ton. (EIGHT SYLLABLES)
Is it really worth learning a whole new "number language" for one or two less syllables occasionally?
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Now, don't get me wrong. I like your AltCoin. And I prefer base 16 (or base 12) over base 10 any day. But I don't see the benefit of tonal over hex, other than being able to call noll an an an an (10000 in tonal, not for you OP, for anybody reading lol) a "bong-bitcoin".
Though I would prefer hexadecimal any day. It's MUCH easier to get used to "012345689ABCDEF" rather than some kooky "An, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton."
How can you get used to something which doesn't really exist? "012345689ABCDEF" only covers writing, not speech."123456789" (with a tonal-compatible font) is the equivalent in tonal.
TL;DR: You can divide amounts into fractions much easier with a base 16 system. But base 12 works just as well.
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Honestly, people. Is it that hard to read the damn OP or google Tonal System if you don't understand it?
OP is right, it is an AltCoin.
But the posters saying it's not an "altcoin" but rather an alternate display system for the client (using base 16) are also right.
The benefits of this are somewhat negligible, unless you really like base 16. I like it cause it's like an AltBitCoin rather than an AltCoin, or as OP put it, it's an AltCoin that uses "extra-merged" mining.
Though I would prefer hexadecimal any day. It's MUCH easier to get used to "012345689ABCDEF" rather than some kooky "An, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton."
And they are the exact same numbering system, both are base 16 systems. They just use different sounds for the numbers.
Having said that, a base 16 system for this currency would be HUGELY beneficial, given the fractional nature of it.
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Honestly, people. Is it that hard to read the damn OP or google Tonal System if you don't understand it?
OP is right, it is an AltCoin.
But the posters saying it's not an "altcoin" but rather an alternate display system for the client (using base 16) are also right.
The benefits of this are somewhat negligible, unless you really like base 16. I like it cause it's like an AltBitCoin rather than an AltCoin, or as OP put it, it's an AltCoin that uses "extra-merged" mining.
Though I would prefer hexadecimal any day. It's MUCH easier to get used to "012345689ABCDEF" rather than some kooky "An, de, ti, go, su, by, ra, me, ni, ko, hu, vy, la, po, fy, ton."
And they are the exact same numbering system, both are base 16 systems. They just use different sounds for the numbers.
Having said that, a base 16 system for this currency would be HUGELY beneficial, given the fractional nature of it.
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Could you explain for a dummy what benefit to someone already using BTC using TBC would give?
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