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Quote from: Ibian on December 04, 2013, 11:25:08 AM

Here is what a lot of people are probably missing: The entire western economy is going to collapse. Probably around 2020. There are other circles equally as nerdy as this one who deal with that stuff but suffice to say, if bitcoin survives that and becomes a dominant form of currency, the price will go much higher than the $300k people have been talking about.

It might be even sooner (like 2016 I've read somewhere). They stated that money markets will crash during that time but an "alternative" is getting ready to take over....let's say BTC Grin

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umad?

I just hope I can buy a bmw 1er M and an appartment in less then 1 year

. Got now +- 55k dollars in btc.

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Quote from: BitchicksHusband on December 04, 2013, 09:42:27 AM

We went 100x this year. If we go 100x next year, we will be at $100k per coin. It's just a matter of how high this is going to go overall, but we are going to get to that level by 2015 regardless of what it is.

i'm thinking that the more we grow, the less room there is to grow. the BTC life is so wild that i guess 100x isn't unreasonable, but i just don't know.. having that kind of a market cap would mean BTC would definitely be in the mainstream.

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Quote from: zimmah on December 04, 2013, 06:00:56 PM

yes, altough i think 10 million and 100 million are quite bullish to say the least, i am pretty sure 100k or even 1 million are well within the realm of possible outcomes within 5 to 10 years.

If bitcoin's market cap ever reaches the several trillion dollar level, then it simply will not be meaningful to quote its value in dollar terms.

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yes, altough i think 10 million and 100 million are quite bullish to say the least, i am pretty sure 100k or even 1 million are well within the realm of possible outcomes within 5 to 10 years.

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I don't think at this time it would be possible to know where we are on the sigmoid curve so there isn't much that can be done in that regard.

The log graph is the best we have at this early stage of adoption...once it starts to reduce again we will be better able to predict the max future values based on the remaining "fit" of the curve.

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Quote from: CMMPro on December 04, 2013, 09:34:54 AM

The graph is in a log scale....this is good but I think in order to predict the future better we need to look at it as a sigmoid/logistic curve.
(That would support your theory of it slowing down later.)

Yeah, I wish I could make a sigmoid curve at the end, but I just wanted to point out that Bitcoin has the potential to reach, even considering a deceleration later, 1 million in 5 years.

That's 16 million BTC (2018) at US$ 1 million = US$ 16 trillion (Bitcoin M1).

Considering low single digits percentages of the US Debt, the derivatives, the safe havens, other countries economies (very important), speculative commodities and assets etc., it's seems plausible.

Because we're dealing with money here, it could take 1.5-2x longer, though. Even then, it's not the end of the world, you see.

Quote from: Patel on December 03, 2013, 11:53:50 PM

I wonder if Bitcoin will be alive in 5 years

It's programmed to last forever.

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Quote from: Cluster2k on December 03, 2013, 11:50:45 PM

I remember my biology lecturer showing a graph on how quickly bacteria divide and grow. He said after a few weeks the entire planet would be covered in a metres thick layer of bacteria. Except it's not. There isn't enough food and other resources to support that sort of growth in numbers.

Bitcoin is no different. New speculators and current speculators who think the price will go even higher are the 'food' for bitcoin. Once we run out of enough to sustain growth the price will taper off and fall.

But hey, I would love to believe I can pay off my entire mortgage with one bitcoin sometime in 2016.

stop seeing bitcoin as purely an investment and start utilizing it as a currency.

the number of shoppers is far greater than the number of investors, and once bitcoin gets used instead of credit and debit cards, the bitcoin will become a true currency and be much stronger for it.

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Quote from: monkeybars on December 04, 2013, 12:37:30 PM

Quote from: Ibian on December 04, 2013, 11:25:08 AM

Here is what a lot of people are probably missing: The entire western economy is going to collapse. Probably around 2020.

I have the distinct impression that Bitcoin will be precisely what saves the World economy from completely collapsing.

The transition will be extremely chaotic and disruptive however.

Agree with others in the thread pointing out a straight exponential line is irrelevant in the context of predicting technological adoption. We have entered the steep part of the S-curve now. The value will begin flattening as adoption butts up against some percentage (1? 5? 50? 80?) of the entire size of the World economy. Anything exceeding 10 million (2013 USD) per XBT would mean Bitcoin would absorb much of the current speculative investment and longterm deposits markets (M3).

Thing is most of the fiat economy doesn't exist. Converting the world economy as it is now to bitcoin would mean maybe 90% of the worlds wealth would be lost, making the 30s look like the daily bitcoin correction.

I don't believe bitcoin will save the world economy, more likely it will act as some sort of transition towards another system or as a replacement.

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Quote from: Ibian on December 04, 2013, 11:25:08 AM

Here is what a lot of people are probably missing: The entire western economy is going to collapse. Probably around 2020.

I have the distinct impression that Bitcoin will be precisely what saves the World economy from completely collapsing.

The transition will be extremely chaotic and disruptive however.

Agree with others in the thread pointing out a straight exponential line is irrelevant in the context of predicting technological adoption. We have entered the steep part of the S-curve now. The value will begin flattening as adoption butts up against some percentage (1? 5? 50? 80?) of the entire size of the World economy. Anything exceeding 10 million (2013 USD) per XBT would mean Bitcoin would absorb much of the current speculative investment and longterm deposits markets (M3).

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Here is what a lot of people are probably missing: The entire western economy is going to collapse. Probably around 2020. There are other circles equally as nerdy as this one who deal with that stuff but suffice to say, if bitcoin survives that and becomes a dominant form of currency, the price will go much higher than the $300k people have been talking about.

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Quote from: donbu7 on December 04, 2013, 10:19:15 AM

I really would love the idea of 1 BTC reaches 1 million but it is not LOGICAl,

Yes, it is. And that's why most people can't see it (like the guy above me). Exponential growth is incredibly difficult for most people to understand.

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If Bitcoin follows an S-curve it is only going to go up as steep as it has this year maybe for one more year and then flatten out and reach a saturation point in 3-5 years.

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It feels to me like people are basing mega valuations on a very narrow set of criteria. If Bitcoin stays inside those then it's still going to rise significantly but perhaps not to the levels some are saying.

I believe that it's going to have a role in global finance and areas of commerce and daily life that few have begun to guess yet.

I'd liken it to discovering oil. At the moment people are throwing it on their fire at home and thinking 'cool, it burns'. Right now it has value as a flammable sludge. Once you realised it could be refined further and you could use it in vehicle fuels, plastics, tyres, industry etc. it's going to be worth a whole lot more to you.

Once its true potential is explored and utilised to the fullest, that's when a proper explosion will occur.

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Quote from: donbu7 on December 04, 2013, 10:19:15 AM

I really would love the idea of 1 BTC reaches 1 million but it is not LOGICAl, let's suppose that it gets to 1 million and so far there are 12 million BTC so that would be 12,000,000,000,000 USD That is imposible, put the feet on the ground, I think the realistic price for BTC would never be more that 10,000 USD.

Stop dreaming...

You dont need 12,000,000,000,000 USD for 1 million / BTC. Look at exchanges, there are about 100 million USD, yet 1000 USD * 12 million BTC = 12,000,000,000 USD

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Quote from: donbu7 on December 04, 2013, 10:19:15 AM

I really would love the idea of 1 BTC reaches 1 million but it is not LOGICAl, let's suppose that it gets to 1 million and so far there are 12 million BTC so that would be 12,000,000,000,000 USD That is imposible, put the feet on the ground, I think the realistic price for BTC would never be more that 10,000 USD.

Stop dreaming...

I see what you're saying, but this is only valid if fiat stays the current norm (read: as long as Bitcoin remains a speculative entity, and not a valid widely used means of payment)

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I really would love the idea of 1 BTC reaches 1 million but it is not LOGICAl, let's suppose that it gets to 1 million and so far there are 12 million BTC so that would be 12,000,000,000,000 USD That is imposible, put the feet on the ground, I think the realistic price for BTC would never be more that 10,000 USD.

Stop dreaming...

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Something like 0.03% of world population uses Bitcoin now and we had about 50% growth in the past month alone.

If you want to be bearish about Bitcoin, you need to have a very good answer as to why this market share won't keep increasing in the future Wink

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We went 100x this year. If we go 100x next year, we will be at $100k per coin. It's just a matter of how high this is going to go overall, but we are going to get to that level by 2015 regardless of what it is.

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The graph is in a log scale....this is good but I think in order to predict the future better we need to look at it as a sigmoid/logistic curve.
(That would support your theory of it slowing down later.)

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