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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 06, 2018, 06:49:53 AM

Yes, It is not strange at all, because some of the Dutch people are living in floating houses on the canals. {Houseboats} You also have a total of 100.000 legally placed houseboats in The Netherlands, of which 2400 is in Amsterdam. Grin

Just look what is happening in the UK for instance : https://www.ft.com/content/9f3a3b7e-6aa6-11e6-a0b1-d87a9fea034f ... I have to say, this was one of the reasons why I was pulled towards this thread. It looks very romantic and it would even be better, if it was done in this way. Wink

Interestingly enough the architecture firm doing the design of the Blue Frontiers seasteads is a Dutch firm who built a floating pavilion in Rotterdam. Blue21

They have some great expertise on these types of things and will be a valuable asset going forward.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 05, 2018, 09:10:06 PM

Quote from: zpopdream on May 05, 2018, 12:20:11 PM

Interesting. Sounds like future indeed. Though not sure if people are ready to live on something floating. Is it comfortable, is it safe??

This woman lives on something floating: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/88-year-old-retires-and-lives-on-cruise-ship/

People live on floating things all the time.

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Quote from: zpopdream on May 05, 2018, 12:20:11 PM

Interesting. Sounds like future indeed. Though not sure if people are ready to live on something floating. Is it comfortable, is it safe??

This woman lives on something floating: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/88-year-old-retires-and-lives-on-cruise-ship/

People live on floating things all the time.

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Interesting. Sounds like future indeed. Though not sure if people are ready to live on something floating. Is it comfortable, is it safe??

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Quote from: nc50lc on May 03, 2018, 10:39:18 PM

Is this going to be funded tru ICO?
If yes, will the tokens allocate the shares among the investors or will be the base currency when dealing with properties?

I hate to be negative but, something like this (a self-sufficient/sustainable system) will constantly require external expenses and manpower for maintenance, considering that the owners (token holders) aren't capable of the hard-labor and "scientific" operations.
What would be the "financial responsibilities" of someone who owns a property and a token holder?

Varyon will be the base currency when dealing with anything related to Blue Frontiers, including property, etc.

Depending upon the amount raised during the ICO the full project could be funded just through the ICO or at the lower end the initial platforms can be built and sold in order to fund the rest of the builds. The hope is that there is enough raised through tokens that Blue Frontiers will be able to build all of the pilot platforms and rent them out or sell them in a controlled manner. Money from timeshares would bring in a lot of money for the company to move forward building new platforms and improving production to bring costs down. If the ICO is on the low end they will be able to build a few initial platforms and with the sale of one platform they can build more, following more of a manufacturing model where they get paid for manufacturing and selling platforms.

It is not yet known what the fees will be for property owners, the idea behind seasteading is having a variation in governance models so one platform might set up a property tax or marina/condo or timeshare type fees while another might have some other structure for maintenance. The hope is that maintenance is kept to a minimum for these platforms.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on May 03, 2018, 04:58:33 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on April 15, 2018, 04:07:12 AM

Wow, this looks like a awesome project. The only thing that are not mentioned on the site is the handling of the sewerage waste? Any normal
household use a lot of water and they also generate a lot of sewerage and household waste. How will they get rid of the waste? I was thinking some septic tank that will need to be emptied on a regular basis?

This might be one of the greatest challenges for this project. Do you have some concept drawings of this proposed project?

I guess you mean sewage. I expect this to be handled the same way that it's being done on land. What do you think happens to the contents of your septic tank? It's being filtered and large particles are separated from the water, then the water undergoes additional treatment and filtering until it's clean enough to be dumped into a nearby river or lake, and ultimately ends up in your tap again.
Until a plant is built and there's enough people living there to make it worth building, there will probably be a ship coming in to pump everything out and move it to a land-based facility.

It's an interesting project.

Early on that might be the case, but I think the team plans on composting so even if the waste needs to be exported it will be exported as soil (initially). With innovative food systems on the anchor zone on land all of the waste can be utilized within the community.

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

May 03, 2018, 09:15:07 PM

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Quote from: eternalgloom on May 03, 2018, 03:02:43 PM
This is a really cool project, if you manage to achieve everything you've mentioned in your post.
You're planning to fund it entirely through an ICO? I've seen something about Varyon token on your website...

What kind of timeline are you looking at to secure enough funding and start building?

Here is the current timeline Blue Frontiers has laid out to get things going.

• 2017: Signed MOU with French Polynesia; launched Blue Frontiers; held researchers
Floating Island Research: Science & Technology meeting at the
UC Berkeley Gump Station on the Island of Moorea. Co-hosted first international
seasteading gathering in Tahiti. Conducted significant economic,
legal, and environmental research; developed new seastead designs; built
a global team
• 2018 Q1: launched Blue Frontiers Global & Blue Frontiers Communities
• 2018 Q2: launch Varyon
• 2018 Q3-Q4: acquire a SeaZone from a host nation; continue negotiations
for additional SeaZones; engineer and blueprint seastead designs
• 2019 Q1/Q2: prototype seasteads; wave-model testing; manufacturer and
supply chain assessments
• 2019 Q3/Q4: manufacturer and construction team selection. Construction/manufacturing
begins
• 2021: first seastead is deployed

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

May 03, 2018, 04:58:33 PM

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 15, 2018, 04:07:12 AM
Wow, this looks like a awesome project. The only thing that are not mentioned on the site is the handling of the sewerage waste? Any normal
household use a lot of water and they also generate a lot of sewerage and household waste. How will they get rid of the waste? I was thinking some septic tank that will need to be emptied on a regular basis?

This might be one of the greatest challenges for this project. Do you have some concept drawings of this proposed project?

I guess you mean sewage. I expect this to be handled the same way that it's being done on land. What do you think happens to the contents of your septic tank? It's being filtered and large particles are separated from the water, then the water undergoes additional treatment and filtering until it's clean enough to be dumped into a nearby river or lake, and ultimately ends up in your tap again.
Until a plant is built and there's enough people living there to make it worth building, there will probably be a ship coming in to pump everything out and move it to a land-based facility.

It's an interesting project.

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

May 03, 2018, 03:19:42 PM

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I hate to be a negative nelly, but I don't believe building in the ocean will save you from the upcoming climate change. All mankind will be suffocating and choking with 20-30 years, regardless of where you live.

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

May 03, 2018, 03:02:43 PM

#8

This is a really cool project, if you manage to achieve everything you've mentioned in your post.
You're planning to fund it entirely through an ICO? I've seen something about Varyon token on your website...

What kind of timeline are you looking at to secure enough funding and start building?

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

May 03, 2018, 02:26:53 PM

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Yes we are in contact with countries who are in refugee crises and are planning to work with the hundreds of communities already experiencing sea level rise. Recent numbers estimate that between $10 and $200 trillion will be spent on sea level rise infrastructure. Seasteading is one of the lowest cost, least invasive and most sustainable solutions.

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 16, 2018, 12:16:36 PM

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Quote from: kevoh on April 16, 2018, 08:09:39 AM
Are there any plans to replicate this project to third world countries with much riverine communities should the project become successful?

The hope is to have this in as many countries around the world as will allow it. The key being that the government has to grant a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) in one of its protected waterways.

Blue Frontiers has opened discussions with other nations that are just as concerned about sea level rise, the fate of their people, their culture, and their homeland.

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 16, 2018, 08:09:39 AM

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Are there any plans to replicate this project to third world countries with much riverine communities should the project become successful?

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 15, 2018, 01:50:27 PM

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 15, 2018, 04:07:12 AM
Wow, this looks like a awesome project. The only thing that are not mentioned on the site is the handling of the sewerage waste? Any normal
household use a lot of water and they also generate a lot of sewerage and household waste. How will they get rid of the waste? I was thinking some septic tank that will need to be emptied on a regular basis?

This might be one of the greatest challenges for this project. Do you have some concept drawings of this proposed project?

Well, the site won't mention most of the engineering that is being worked on. There have been many solutions worked on for waste and the goal is full recycling of the waste integrated with hydroponics and food growth. The tricky part will be desalination and not dumping excess salt back into the lagoon which would change the salinity of the water. We may be able to export salt if we can get a process for preparing it for consumption or even use for other things. Much of the water will be gathered from the rain but depending upon storage and different times of the year that may not work all of the time. The waste and food systems guys we have are brilliant and do this stuff for a living.

Here is an initial model of what they would like to have for the pilot project in a French Polynesian lagoon:

This video gives some sea level views of the model:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIKR8UDDgo

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 15, 2018, 04:07:12 AM

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Wow, this looks like a awesome project. The only thing that are not mentioned on the site is the handling of the sewerage waste? Any normal
household use a lot of water and they also generate a lot of sewerage and household waste. How will they get rid of the waste? I was thinking some septic tank that will need to be emptied on a regular basis?

This might be one of the greatest challenges for this project. Do you have some concept drawings of this proposed project?

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 14, 2018, 04:22:52 PM

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Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia

April 14, 2018, 04:22:28 PM

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The Floating Island Project consists of constructing ecological floating platforms in a lagoon of French Polynesia that could offer a response to the challenges of rising sea levels and sustainable development.

These platforms would also provide a basis for homes, offices and infrastructure to encourage the formation of vibrant communities and explore new ways of living together.

At the same time, it will promote innovation in digital and marine technologies by creating an attractive destination benefiting from its unique framework.

Blue Frontiers was founded in 2017 by members of The Seasteading Institute and a former minister of French Polynesia, Blue Frontiers has a diverse team from around the world, working on developing floating islands in French Polynesia.

Blue Frontiers is making it possible to decentralize governance by launching a seasteading industry that will provide humanity with new options for organizing societies and governments. Seasteads will provide environmental resilience to the millions of people threatened by rising sea levels.

https://www.blue-frontiers.com