Topic: Focus on solutions & avoid personal attacks. - page 2. (Read 557 times)

I guess it’s difficult to avoid personal attacks sometimes. When you leave an account genuine red/negative trust for things like -

Attempting to manipulate DT by Distrusting genuine, trustworthy, long time members
Trying to get a loan with no collateral
Plagiarism

For those posters to then leave insulting retaliatory feedback on your trust page is a bit annoying. It’s happened to all of us on DT.

I know myself, I’ve been called a fag, ass licker & a merit whore in retaliatory feedbacks.

If you happened to displeased with the current system in the forum let it stop with you don't pass it to others as simple as that, so that no one else will take advantage and throw their blame to the  people who do nothing but to improve this community.

because when there is one who don't agree on the current update and he will post it, some other people will try to support him and there will be a chaotic discussion about their disagreement with the current system update.

If they just know how to shut their mouth and let the admins do what they want to improve this forum, there will be no chaos at all.
so basically If you can't help to discuss important thing it is better for you to close your mouth.

Lol, yeah maybe you and AdolfinWolf are right.  I didn't mean to come off sounding like Rodney King, but really; can't we all just get along?

Most of the times, or maybe all the time, they are the ones who abuse the system in some way, and then get caught doing that and are either banned or tagged red for doing so. They then create new accounts, head to Meta and start churning out crap out of their mouth for the system or the ones who are the reason behind the punishments they've got. Now, where the hell would they bring evidence from? To back up their arguments?

A+ for the effort but yeah... what AdolfinWolf said.

This new wave of CH's "friends and family" isn't interested in solutions. I just wish we stopped responding to them and stopped red-trusting them - that just adds fuel to the fire.

They've done this, and the community has decided they're a bunch of crackpots--and despite getting very little support from any community members outside their little clique (and notably, no reaction from Theymos), they're not getting the message and keep rehashing the same crap over and over.

They've also done this, and most ideas presented are either complete nonsense or have too many drawbacks. 

The bottom line is this:  the trolling that's going on in Meta and Reputation is being done by only a few members who are most likely using a number of alt accounts.  I don't believe they really want to change things for the better.  I think they're just unhappy that they're not on DT, not merit sources, have no respect in the community, aren't earning merits, and they're just looking to tear down the system because it doesn't work for them.  And, as with all trolls, they seek attention--which they're getting lots of, unfortunately. 

Since all of their arguments have been heard, I think we all need to put these trolls on ignore.  Shun them completely.  If people don't respond to their posts, they'll stop making them.  That will take time, of course, but it'll happen.

In most cases, users who try to make personal attacks or personal assasination are mostly got troubles with their shady activities, and they can not solve their issues by themselves. They don't have enough proof to prove that they are innocent.
Instead of accepting their faults and kinds of punishments as forum rules pointed out, they open personal attacks as a hope to solve issue. Unfortunately, in reality such personal assasination threads most likely result in worse situation (higher red trust, for example).

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In a summary, if someone actually did something wrong, they should clearly know that which wrong they they did, even more than staffs, or DT members. In such cases, admiting mistakes and changing with progressive attitude might help them have second chances to come back. But, second chances won't come too soon, it takes long period of time to show that they actually change.

I doubt that the ones that are using multiple alt accounts to engage in personal attacks are looking for a real discussion, much less so for a solution.

For most of them which are doing this behavior (Mostly those that are tagged by DT for various reasons) there simply will not be any solution -- DT isn't going to be removed any time soon and neither are their trust scores.

I really doubt there's much room for sincere discussion for aforementioned, as there is not really much to discuss in most cases.

The Meta board has really turned into a shitshow lately.  I have no interest in reading yet another rant about the Merit Mafia or the DT Gestapo.  To make things worse; it's become obvious that some members are using alt accounts (maybe multiple alts) to spam their personal attacks over and over again. 

I have a very practical suggestion to those who are displeased with the current system.  I'll pass on a bit of wisdom from my corporate management training courses: Stop attacking the people, and start attacking the problem; stop laying blame, and start laying the groundwork for a solution.

Many of the merit sources and DT members are well established, trusted, and accomplished members of this community.  Continuing to attack them does nothing to resolve the issues (real or perceived) with the system.  Personal attacks will only earn you more enemies, more red tags, and less credibility. 

If you feel some members are abusing their DT power or their Merit Source standing, present your evidence and allow the community to decide.  Take the personal agenda out of the equation. 

If you don't like the system, make suggestions that will improve it.  Even if you don't have any suggestions, but don't like an aspect of the system, open the dialogue approaching the issue with a goal towards a resolution.  You might be surprised at how much support you find.

There have been a couple of threads with solution oriented goals in mind, and I'll give kudos to the folks who started those threads.  We need more of this type of discourse.  Note: I've disagreed with both OPs in these cases, but none the less I find the discourse helpful.

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