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Topic: forget about value investing, you are not the house, you cannot win. (Read 374 times)
March 18, 2023, 10:02:36 AM
March 18, 2023, 09:57:21 AM
...If a share regularly trades between $1 and $2 dollars, maybe over the span of several years, then it obviously makes sense to buy in at $1 to sell it at $1.5 or $2. There is often little rationale in these movements, but I've seen it occur many times over the last few years...
it is an analogue to a slot machine in the casino, you would see the colour flashing bright randomly, or it also produce number randomly, does it mean you would win the bet by reading the pattern? very high odd?
March 17, 2023, 11:03:20 AM
A house or land is a good investment and is always the first choice, because a house has legality so when we really need money we can pawn it or use it to guarantee debt, of course not all houses are always profitable, but choosing a location is the most important key to success in the home business .
In the last two years I have very often seen housing complex developers increasing now and the developer first bought a large area of land to build several housing units so that they could be sold to people who needed houses and some were made for rent. Actually it's a very good idea for thinking like the developer, but for thinking like what you said I think it's still very risky if someone can't pay off their debts in a timely manner. Because the party giving the debt can of course immediately confiscate your land or house if their warnings are not heeded. So buying land or a house as an investment asset is indeed good, but I think using it to make debt is still not good because the risk is not small.
March 17, 2023, 10:16:14 AM
A house or land is a good investment and is always the first choice, because a house has legality so when we really need money we can pawn it or use it to guarantee debt, of course not all houses are always profitable, but choosing a location is the most important key to success in the home business .
March 16, 2023, 05:20:59 PM
...so I guess what they say is true but our level is different and can't fully follow what they say, sometimes rational thinking is also important.
of course we are not warren buffett. someone like to tell you can be wb, but copying anyone else is a frustrating effort, because you are not them you cant copy them exactly. you are not the house not matter how you copy them you still is not the house!
on things around because copying or trying out to achieve on what others attain would really be just messing up the things forward.You cant think off well because of the desperation that you should
really be able to precisely follow on what they had said or to those known billionaires and trying out to make yourself on the same path.This isnt
how things to be simple.
March 16, 2023, 07:49:34 AM
If you aren't the house, you can't consistently win, unless it's a very skill-based area, but if you are the house, you can also lose if you don't arrange everything right.
Anyway, I clearly lack some context with the op here, it would be nice for the op to add links to sources for that. For example, I'm not sure what Buffett's position is, and, more importantly, where is evidence of the SEC cracking down on cryptos? They've repeatedly reiterated that Bitcoin isn't a security, so it doesn't have to do with them, and that's not something an authority who wants control would do. As for other cryptos, they aren't as important, and we should then talk about specific cases of where the SEC is making things worse.
Anyway, I clearly lack some context with the op here, it would be nice for the op to add links to sources for that. For example, I'm not sure what Buffett's position is, and, more importantly, where is evidence of the SEC cracking down on cryptos? They've repeatedly reiterated that Bitcoin isn't a security, so it doesn't have to do with them, and that's not something an authority who wants control would do. As for other cryptos, they aren't as important, and we should then talk about specific cases of where the SEC is making things worse.
March 16, 2023, 04:42:41 AM
...so I guess what they say is true but our level is different and can't fully follow what they say, sometimes rational thinking is also important.
of course we are not warren buffett. someone like to tell you can be wb, but copying anyone else is a frustrating effort, because you are not them you cant copy them exactly. you are not the house not matter how you copy them you still is not the house!
March 13, 2023, 11:42:57 AM
I don't agree with you, because what I invest proves to grow and provide benefits for me.
the point is I get a return from my investment or trading.
So I do not agree with you, whatever theory you put forward.
bout that your opinion and all people feel free to share their thought
the point is I get a return from my investment or trading.
So I do not agree with you, whatever theory you put forward.
bout that your opinion and all people feel free to share their thought
March 12, 2023, 06:34:00 PM
Invest in the things you need is about the best you can do, housing being the most obvious and a few other things like energy perhaps. Most people do best by forming their own business, operating efficiently and doing well in a growth sector hopefully. Trying to do as well while investing is hard to do, it is biased to the house or market makers I tend to agree and they can trade out of hours and other tricks I guess.
March 12, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
I guess you just go against the wave in term of investing and just hoping for the best, here's the thing, we as small investors have small capital meaning we couldn't really do much against the market what we can do just finding some opportunities here and there, that's just the fate of those moneyless like majority of us, even though we gonna have hard time earning profit out of value investing but there's nothing much we can do, i'd say just keep trying finding some opportunities yourself.
what makes many lose money in investing is because some of them get that biased understanding that every investment will turns out good meanwhile many investment is just gonna make you lose money because there's whales ready to manipulate the market to their will eventually.
what makes many lose money in investing is because some of them get that biased understanding that every investment will turns out good meanwhile many investment is just gonna make you lose money because there's whales ready to manipulate the market to their will eventually.
March 12, 2023, 06:00:38 PM
Many people always recommend investing because they hope to make a profit one day, this cannot always happen due to many factors, what many people think above is normal and we as humans who have reason can of course choose which is the best for us. do, in investing of course there are profit and loss opportunities, if we want to have fixed money then keep money under the pillow, but remember there is inflation that can occur and make the value of our money decrease.
Investing is one way to earn more money in the future. But of course, not just any investment can provide money because if the investment is not right, we will not be able to profit.Crypto is one of the most popular investments and even if we don't have big capital, we can buy it with the money we provide to invest. And by using the DCA method, one day, the value of our investment will increase, especially if we invest in bitcoin. And even though some people doubt that we can get big profits, we don't need to listen to them because we believe that bitcoin can provide those benefits.
I am not good with my finances so I only live within my means.
March 09, 2023, 04:30:01 AM
Many people always recommend investing because they hope to make a profit one day, this cannot always happen due to many factors, what many people think above is normal and we as humans who have reason can of course choose which is the best for us. do, in investing of course there are profit and loss opportunities, if we want to have fixed money then keep money under the pillow, but remember there is inflation that can occur and make the value of our money decrease.
Investing is one way to earn more money in the future. But of course, not just any investment can provide money because if the investment is not right, we will not be able to profit.Crypto is one of the most popular investments and even if we don't have big capital, we can buy it with the money we provide to invest. And by using the DCA method, one day, the value of our investment will increase, especially if we invest in bitcoin. And even though some people doubt that we can get big profits, we don't need to listen to them because we believe that bitcoin can provide those benefits.
March 09, 2023, 03:14:08 AM
but how about the many young people who follow the value investing advices and end up losing everything and some took it to themselves and end their own life?
I think you pay attention to the news or follow the cryptocurrency market. I'm sure there are many people in this forum who are also interested in the concept of cryptocurrencies because of the advantages they can have in the market. Value investing will never be the only way to become a successful trader, as it is still necessary to know how to trade, anyone can speculate and do it often. And I agree with your statement about young people who end up losing everything and some taking it for themselves.
There will always be people who discredit value investing, but if we are honest with ourselves, it is clear that it works for some people and not for others. It depends how disciplined you are and what your risk profile is like. However, keep in mind that the market has shown a tendency to be profitable in the long run regardless of the investment strategy you adopt.
March 09, 2023, 01:31:00 AM
Many people always recommend investing because they hope to make a profit one day, this cannot always happen due to many factors, what many people think above is normal and we as humans who have reason can of course choose which is the best for us. do, in investing of course there are profit and loss opportunities, if we want to have fixed money then keep money under the pillow, but remember there is inflation that can occur and make the value of our money decrease.
March 07, 2023, 03:18:33 PM
if you are not the house, and have full control you cannot win. and you would also loss everything.
the 1933 incident tell me only one lesson, the reason president potus going full crack down on gold bars and gold certificate is all due to the government want to have control over the gold, by confiscating every gold bars they can have the control over the gold, also the control price of the gold, by having the control, the government can be the house of this gold market, price and the volume. Yes just three element they want to control to be the house, price, volume and the market, market is also called the buyer and seller, or called it bidder and asker market. Did the governemnt suceed in controlling the gold market to date? They seem to be having some success, but the gold is always unregulatable. Government confiscate gold bars is a certainty, unlike value investing which is a made up intellectual assumption and a lie.
what about the warren buffett always sing about his philosophy of value investing wherever he goes? A lot of young people on the /biz follow his books and some of them invest his life saving many of them even take out home loan to invest based on his value investing philosophy, some of the kill himself over the loss?
well in my opinion, warren buffett is a senile old man, and irresposible with his political views, he is politician in nature. For his value investing student, they become the victim of natural selection, by foolishly listen to a well known oracle of the omaha, they ended up commit a sin of crime without a victim but themselve to be blamed, they kill themselves over the loss and become part of a statistic to the eduacted one, despite many have been killed it would not changed the warren buffett opinion on his irresponsible advices.
Lastly why are the SEC now cracking down heavily on the cryptocurrency? in my opinion, the SEC is trying to capture as many control as possible, they can't allow the cryptocurrency to be completely free of restriction. the SEC want to be the house in this cryptocurrency, by being the house in cryptocurrency they can always win, there really isn't much lesson to be learnt, it is whether you are the house and you always win, or you believe in value investing and thinking it is truth like the religion, and loss your life saving.
but how about the many young people who follow the value investing advices and end up losing everything and some took it to themselves and end their own life? they are good and decent people who follow rules obediently but they end up having to kill themselves? idk I didn't create this society, I am unable to change this world, but the very little I can do is try to educate people on what is absolutelt wrong about this world, and I try not to be keep all to myself, and share as much as I could, so some can be saved, although many would still fall victim.
the 1933 incident tell me only one lesson, the reason president potus going full crack down on gold bars and gold certificate is all due to the government want to have control over the gold, by confiscating every gold bars they can have the control over the gold, also the control price of the gold, by having the control, the government can be the house of this gold market, price and the volume. Yes just three element they want to control to be the house, price, volume and the market, market is also called the buyer and seller, or called it bidder and asker market. Did the governemnt suceed in controlling the gold market to date? They seem to be having some success, but the gold is always unregulatable. Government confiscate gold bars is a certainty, unlike value investing which is a made up intellectual assumption and a lie.
what about the warren buffett always sing about his philosophy of value investing wherever he goes? A lot of young people on the /biz follow his books and some of them invest his life saving many of them even take out home loan to invest based on his value investing philosophy, some of the kill himself over the loss?
well in my opinion, warren buffett is a senile old man, and irresposible with his political views, he is politician in nature. For his value investing student, they become the victim of natural selection, by foolishly listen to a well known oracle of the omaha, they ended up commit a sin of crime without a victim but themselve to be blamed, they kill themselves over the loss and become part of a statistic to the eduacted one, despite many have been killed it would not changed the warren buffett opinion on his irresponsible advices.
Lastly why are the SEC now cracking down heavily on the cryptocurrency? in my opinion, the SEC is trying to capture as many control as possible, they can't allow the cryptocurrency to be completely free of restriction. the SEC want to be the house in this cryptocurrency, by being the house in cryptocurrency they can always win, there really isn't much lesson to be learnt, it is whether you are the house and you always win, or you believe in value investing and thinking it is truth like the religion, and loss your life saving.
but how about the many young people who follow the value investing advices and end up losing everything and some took it to themselves and end their own life? they are good and decent people who follow rules obediently but they end up having to kill themselves? idk I didn't create this society, I am unable to change this world, but the very little I can do is try to educate people on what is absolutelt wrong about this world, and I try not to be keep all to myself, and share as much as I could, so some can be saved, although many would still fall victim.
It some ways, I thank you because these sort of bad warnings and misguided opinions make it easier to find bargains in the market. Anyone who has been investing sensibly for some time will see that prices fluctuate for a company based on very little but random whims. If a share regularly trades between $1 and $2 dollars, maybe over the span of several years, then it obviously makes sense to buy in at $1 to sell it at $1.5 or $2. There is often little rationale in these movements, but I've seen it occur many times over the last few years. It is still alive and well, but don't for a minute think you can rush in and identify these assets without any losses, like anything - buying stocks is an art and sometimes you will rack up failures on the way.
March 07, 2023, 11:00:01 AM
actually some successful motivators or investors on a large scale give their way without seeing the difference between them, for example someone with an income of say 1000 $ / month follows the lifestyle or style of a very rich person or runs their system with their very much different circumstances that is suicide .
so I guess what they say is true but our level is different and can't fully follow what they say, sometimes rational thinking is also important.
so I guess what they say is true but our level is different and can't fully follow what they say, sometimes rational thinking is also important.
March 06, 2023, 01:50:16 PM
You can win, as long as you pretend dead.
https://www.businessinsider.com/forgetful-investors-performed-best-2014-9
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"They were dead."
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...forgot that they had any bitcoins or died long time ago.
... then it is just going to be another story.
https://www.businessinsider.com/forgetful-investors-performed-best-2014-9
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"They were dead."
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...forgot that they had any bitcoins or died long time ago.
... then it is just going to be another story.
satoshi too once quoted, "lost bitcoin made everyone else bitcoin slightly more valuable", i agree, that is also the only reason i find bitcoin appealing, i'm not saying i am in to make lot of money, i'm saying it is a war, the died soldier collapsed and so that all other soldier can live to fight another day. no soldier is getting filthy rich from the struggle anyway. the prize we all want is the victory which is priceless, not about taking profit, not about making money. btw i do not like to talk about all the awful people on the wall street, they are chilling on the dead people for the profit, that is completely morally corrupted, moral crisis.
Oh no, it's Broly46!
...far longer than I thought any government would allow. That's not to say that I'm for regulation, but when you've got the average Joe getting scammed by exchanges like FTX, it becomes a spectacle that those awful human beings on capitol hill can't ignore.
... Buffett did and still does it, so that should be proof enough for you.
...far longer than I thought any government would allow. That's not to say that I'm for regulation, but when you've got the average Joe getting scammed by exchanges like FTX, it becomes a spectacle that those awful human beings on capitol hill can't ignore.
... Buffett did and still does it, so that should be proof enough for you.
i have a bad feeling, the SEC are now on steroid, they are going one after another big exchange routinely, it is unprecedented! i had no idea what could be the reason behind their aggression. it seem they are determined to crack down everything back to the stone age.
There are many that have made lots of money with investing and they aren’t rich either...
...It’s those who trade options or with margin that usually lose money and blame everybody.
...It’s those who trade options or with margin that usually lose money and blame everybody.
it is fine to blame everybody, i wouldn't have interested on bitcoin until i start to blame, i basically blame to heart content, i loss the money on investing stock and my friends all call me stupid for making loss and mistake. they introduce me to stock investing hence i follow their advice to invest next i got blame for being idiot and loss money that is some joke isn't it and i got pranked for being obedient? i am still bitter about it today.
i feel sorry to the guy who was given advices to not blame anyone when they loss money in investing, instead they pay the tuition fee after making bad trade just like the gentlemen and warren buffett also tell all student to pay the price for making mistake and stfu get smarter and keep playing until they win, now i can see how horrible wb is, he has become more feminazi than woman is, to protect his child's interests he could go as far as turn entire world into chaos, i see all of them are unable to make noise, follow the warren buffett obediently, didn't invest in bitcoin due to wb and also call me idiot for being stupid loser, they have all their freedom stolen from them and being lock up in a cage, a fangless lion, not allow to blame, not allow to stop paying tuition fee for making mistake, not allowed to quit gambling(investing), and their wife keep wasting their money on trivial and stupid thing and won't allow them to meet another woman online, poor soul to me, what a married happy ending life for the guy. btw i won't stop here, i would double down and insult them for the past humiliation they push on me, an eye for an eye? huh? btw i am lucky enough to start blaming as soon as possible, a lot of people having to kill themselves but not allow to blame anyone else after making a lifesaving of loss listening to the scammer and their financial advices. the generational wealth, this time is different, wagmi, lamborghini, fast car fast house fast woman orgy party.
March 06, 2023, 12:48:35 AM
There are many that have made lots of money with investing and they aren’t rich either. However they were patient and held unlike most who started to trade in 2021 for the first time and got a rude awakening when the bear market came.
Many invest for their retirement and they come out ahead. Even investing some of your portfolio in bonds would pay out. It’s those who trade options or with margin that usually lose money and blame everybody.
Many invest for their retirement and they come out ahead. Even investing some of your portfolio in bonds would pay out. It’s those who trade options or with margin that usually lose money and blame everybody.
March 05, 2023, 11:16:16 AM
Lastly why are the SEC now cracking down heavily on the cryptocurrency? in my opinion, the SEC is trying to capture as many control as possible, they can't allow the cryptocurrency to be completely free of restriction. the SEC want to be the house in this cryptocurrency
Oh no, it's Broly46!Of course the SEC wants to dip its fingers into crypto regulation, and aren't you surprised that it's actually taken this long for them to do it? Bitcoin has been around for well over a decade now, and the wild west days seemed to stretch on forever--far longer than I thought any government would allow. That's not to say that I'm for regulation, but when you've got the average Joe getting scammed by exchanges like FTX, it becomes a spectacle that those awful human beings on capitol hill can't ignore.
I've not been following the situation as far as what they're doing, but I'm hoping they don't crack down too hard on crypto. And as far as value investing goes, that's a very niche style of putting your dollars to work. Only people with a lot of patience and knowledge of business can do it successfully--but it can be done. Buffett did and still does it, so that should be proof enough for you.
March 05, 2023, 06:39:07 AM
You can win, as long as you pretend dead.
https://www.businessinsider.com/forgetful-investors-performed-best-2014-9
You know this was also the case with bitcoin. Those who got super rich from bitcoin were the same people which either forgot that they had any bitcoins or died long time ago.
If you are one of those guys that stare at the charts alk day, make trades etc then yes you are not going to be the winner in the long run.
If you just forget that you had assets... then it is just going to be another story.
https://www.businessinsider.com/forgetful-investors-performed-best-2014-9
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Fidelity Reviewed Which Investors Did Best And What They Found Was Hilarious
O'Shaughnessy: "Fidelity had done a study as to which accounts had done the best at Fidelity. And what they found was..."
Ritholtz: "They were dead."
O'Shaughnessy: "...No, that's close though! They were the accounts of people who forgot they had an account at Fidelity."
O'Shaughnessy: "Fidelity had done a study as to which accounts had done the best at Fidelity. And what they found was..."
Ritholtz: "They were dead."
O'Shaughnessy: "...No, that's close though! They were the accounts of people who forgot they had an account at Fidelity."
You know this was also the case with bitcoin. Those who got super rich from bitcoin were the same people which either forgot that they had any bitcoins or died long time ago.
If you are one of those guys that stare at the charts alk day, make trades etc then yes you are not going to be the winner in the long run.
If you just forget that you had assets... then it is just going to be another story.
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