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Topic: Fortress is forming a Bitcoin fund (Read 3250 times)

legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1029
January 02, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
#28
Positive news.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
January 02, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
#27
2014 will be the year venture capital and institutional investors move into BTC.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1060
January 02, 2014, 04:49:33 AM
#26
Fortress is big news, if true, as they will be long-term buyers.

This is also huge. Kitco with a Bitcoin section..

http://www.kitco.com/finance/bitcoin/

Lots of PM stackers will be seeing Bitcoin mentioned when they check their metals prices.


Kitco is cool, great gold prices

Weird fucking website though
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1060
January 02, 2014, 04:48:20 AM
#25
Fortress = Fortress Investment Group.   

The multi billion dollar hedge fund company (>$50 Billion in assets under management) not the nobody scammer "Trade Fortress".  Maybe that helps people see the headline in a new light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Investment_Group


Ooh now it's exciting
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1006
100 satoshis -> ISO code
January 02, 2014, 03:26:33 AM
#24
Fortress is big news, if true, as they will be long-term buyers.

This is also huge. Kitco with a Bitcoin section..

http://www.kitco.com/finance/bitcoin/

Lots of PM stackers will be seeing Bitcoin mentioned when they check their metals prices.
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
January 02, 2014, 02:59:41 AM
#23
The fund itself may not hold any BTC but these are financial professionals.  Not too hard to form a separate entity to acquire the BTC, hold them, and then sell them to the trust for a precontracted rate once the fund is setup and raises capital from initial investors.  Essentially moving funds from one pocket to another.  A lot of big deals are "done" before they are official done.

Anyone thinking Fortress is going to let something like this "slip" (and this "slip" is a strategic slip, it it called a trial balloon) and then go and hit BUY $150,000,000 USD worth of BTC at Market on MtGox is dreaming.  It is a nice dream though.

However Fortress is a big name, and that means a wider audience to big money.  The fund could start with $150M in assets and grow to a billion or more which means future purchases.  Likewise first it was Second Market now (potentially it is just a rumor) Fortress.  Those are the first movers, the risk takers, the innovators.   The next thing is twenty other hedge funds doing the exact same thing because they don't want to lose client funds.
Imo, this will happen pretty quickly. Just like all the early "watchers" are trying to get into Bitcoin now, once Fortress starts seeing great returns, the other investment firm "watchers" will be tripping over themselves trying to get in the game. That's why I think 2014-2015 will be gigantic years for Bitcoin.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1001
January 02, 2014, 02:45:30 AM
#22
If they've already bought coins, they probably had a lot to do with the runup from $100 to $1000.  It's less of a big deal.

In the long run I think the latter is the bigger deal, because it would mean interest from credible mainstream investors. That could entice others to enter the market as well.

True.  The big deal here isn't that fortress is buying coins.   Its that the consumer public will be accessing bitcoin in significantly larger quantities.
hero member
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Merit: 500
Martijn Meijering
January 01, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
#21
If they've already bought coins, they probably had a lot to do with the runup from $100 to $1000.  It's less of a big deal.

In the long run I think the latter is the bigger deal, because it would mean interest from credible mainstream investors. That could entice others to enter the market as well.
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
January 01, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
#20
I am not sure what will occur in this case.  However, typically when a commodity ETF launches or has an equity offering, the investment vehicle should first raises funds from investors and then purchases the underlying assets.

The fund itself may not hold any BTC but these are financial professionals.  Not too hard to form a separate entity to acquire the BTC, hold them, and then sell them to the trust for a precontracted rate once the fund is setup and raises capital from initial investors.  Essentially moving funds from one pocket to another.  A lot of big deals are "done" before they are official done.

Anyone thinking Fortress is going to let something like this "slip" (and this "slip" is a strategic slip, it it called a trial balloon) and then go and hit BUY $150,000,000 USD worth of BTC at Market on MtGox is dreaming.  It is a nice dream though.

However Fortress is a big name, and that means a wider audience to big money.  The fund could start with $150M in assets and grow to a billion or more which means future purchases.  Likewise first it was Second Market now (potentially it is just a rumor) Fortress.  Those are the first movers, the risk takers, the innovators.   The next thing is twenty other hedge funds doing the exact same thing because they don't want to lose client funds.
legendary
Activity: 1040
Merit: 1001
January 01, 2014, 04:56:54 PM
#19
I am not sure what will occur in this case.  However, typically when a commodity ETF launches or has an equity offering, the investment vehicle should first raises funds from investors and then purchases the underlying assets.

If they have raised cash but haven't bought coins, that's a huge deal.  $150 million would raise the price of bitcoins massively.

If they've already bought coins, they probably had a lot to do with the runup from $100 to $1000.  It's less of a big deal.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1014
In Satoshi I Trust
January 01, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
#18
Fortress = Fortress Investment Group.   

The multi billion dollar hedge fund company (>$50 Billion in assets under management) not the nobody scammer "Trade Fortress".  Maybe that helps people see the headline in a new light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Investment_Group


indeed great news. after second market the next big player in the cryptoworld.
member
Activity: 129
Merit: 14
January 01, 2014, 04:25:51 PM
#17
I am not sure what will occur in this case.  However, typically when a commodity ETF launches or has an equity offering, the investment vehicle should first raises funds from investors and then purchases the underlying assets.
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
January 01, 2014, 04:17:51 PM
#16
How likely is it that they've already bought their coins?

Their initial coins?  No doubt they have already bought them.  I mean that is investing 101.  However if successful the funds would continually attract new investors which means future purchases.  I would point out FIG has not confirmed the rumor.
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
January 01, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
#15
How likely is it that they've already bought their coins?

Very likely. There's no reason to leak their intents and make it more expensive for them to acquire a stash but all of the reason to acquire a stash and then leak info to raise the value of said stash
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
January 01, 2014, 04:14:41 PM
#14
Fortress = Fortress Investment Group.   

The multi billion dollar hedge fund company (>$50 Billion in assets under management) not the nobody scammer "Trade Fortress".  Maybe that helps people see the headline in a new light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Investment_Group
legendary
Activity: 1040
Merit: 1001
January 01, 2014, 04:12:31 PM
#13
How likely is it that they've already bought their coins?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
January 01, 2014, 11:58:57 AM
#12
Thanks for initiating my new year with such a good news. Indeed many wise investors have either purchased the bitcoin or are going to buy them soon. Therefore a big return on bitcoin may be attained if we follow the wise investors and buy them according to our affording
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1060
January 01, 2014, 11:22:00 AM
#11
It's not trade fortresses is it?

didn't he form his retirement fund last year

Scammers are to greedy
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1000
January 01, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
#10
It's not trade fortresses is it?

didn't he form his retirement fund last year
staff
Activity: 3290
Merit: 4114
January 01, 2014, 08:56:04 AM
#9
It's not trade fortresses is it?

One reason I stayed away from not clicking the article for awhile. I was expecting him to be talking rubbish again.
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