FortuneJack predatory rules - page 2.

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Quote from: actmyname on July 28, 2020, 08:25:39 PM

Quote from: DaveF on July 28, 2020, 08:14:28 PM

Seems strange.
I don't really bet on sports, so are they saying that I *have* to, or that if I do I have to bet 50% in one bet of my deposit.

I assume that this is in regards to the sportsbook exclusively, but even if that is the case that's still completely unreasonable. It's basically forcing users to either deposit in multiple chunks or to increase their volatility and disregard bankroll management (which is better for the casino, as heightened betting volume does increase profits on a universal scale).

Quote from: DaveF on July 28, 2020, 08:14:28 PM

That is just really odd. The only thing I can some up with and it's a stretch is that it has to do with some bonus thing, but other then that I have no idea.
Or is it an "OR" as in you can do this or that?

What would the other part of the "OR" be?

AFAICT, you either have to lose 2% of your deposit either through the first rule (i.e. dice, 1% edge, rolling until deposit is fully wagered twice) or the second (i.e. sportsbet juice at 50% of deposit accounts for >4% edge).

I was mangling what I was trying to say.

So I deposit $10, by the rules I have to play $20 though the casino OR make a $5 sports bet.
I figure if I bet $20 but play no sports I'm fine.

BUT, if I play $20 and then put in a $1 bet on sports am I now required to make a $5 bet.

So is it either 2x play through OR 50% sports bet. Or is it 2x play though and 50% sports bet if you bet. From what you posted it's ambiguous. I did not actually go to the fortunejack site to check what it around it in terms of rules. Mostly because the SonicWall blocks gambling sites. I'm guessing it's in 8.1.0 or 8.1.3 since you posted 8.1.1 and 8.1.2.

If they are going to be scummy about the 50% bet I can see them being scummy about other things.

-Dave

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Quote from: DaveF on July 28, 2020, 08:14:28 PM

Seems strange.
I don't really bet on sports, so are they saying that I *have* to, or that if I do I have to bet 50% in one bet of my deposit.

I assume that this is in regards to the sportsbook exclusively, but even if that is the case that's still completely unreasonable. It's basically forcing users to either deposit in multiple chunks or to increase their volatility and disregard bankroll management (which is better for the casino, as heightened betting volume does increase profits on a universal scale).

Quote from: DaveF on July 28, 2020, 08:14:28 PM

That is just really odd. The only thing I can some up with and it's a stretch is that it has to do with some bonus thing, but other then that I have no idea.
Or is it an "OR" as in you can do this or that?

What would the other part of the "OR" be?

AFAICT, you either have to lose 2% of your deposit either through the first rule (i.e. dice, 1% edge, rolling until deposit is fully wagered twice) or the second (i.e. sportsbet juice at 50% of deposit accounts for >4% edge).

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Quote from: actmyname on July 28, 2020, 07:27:51 PM

Here are the relevant rules that I stripped from FortuneJack's Terms of Service:

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8.1.1. On Slots, Casino Games and Live Games Your deposit amount must be wagered, be turned over 2 (two) times;

8.1.2. On Sportsbook Services You have to make at least one bet with minimum stake of 50% of Your deposit amount (example: if Your deposit amount is equivalent to EUR 100, You have to bet minimum EUR 50 on any position You can select on Sportsbook Services);

That second rule is insanely scummy: I have actually never seen anything like this before on any casino.

Suppose someone deposits $2000, hoping to play with proper bankroll management with sports betting and instead they have to actually drop down $1000 on a bet. What kind of ridiculousness is that? It doesn't even stop any abuse: if someone really wanted to avoid that rule they would simply deposit in chunks, thereby making the minimum stake far lower. For example, depositing $100, 20 times.

Seems strange.
I don't really bet on sports, so are they saying that I *have* to, or that if I do I have to bet 50% in one bet of my deposit.
That is just really odd. The only thing I can some up with and it's a stretch is that it has to do with some bonus thing, but other then that I have no idea.
Or is it an "OR" as in you can do this or that?

-Dave

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Quote from: actmyname on July 28, 2020, 07:27:51 PM

Here are the relevant rules that I stripped from FortuneJack's Terms of Service:

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8.1.1. On Slots, Casino Games and Live Games Your deposit amount must be wagered, be turned over 2 (two) times;

8.1.2. On Sportsbook Services You have to make at least one bet with minimum stake of 50% of Your deposit amount (example: if Your deposit amount is equivalent to EUR 100, You have to bet minimum EUR 50 on any position You can select on Sportsbook Services);

That second rule is insanely scummy: I have actually never seen anything like this before on any casino.

Suppose someone deposits $2000, hoping to play with proper bankroll management with sports betting and instead they have to actually drop down $1000 on a bet. What kind of ridiculousness is that? It doesn't even stop any abuse: if someone really wanted to avoid that rule they would simply deposit in chunks, thereby making the minimum stake far lower. For example, depositing $100, 20 times.

This is exactly what I mean. The website is anti-users, I dont see why there are so many people praising the sites, and so many promotions for this site. There does not seem to be any logic behind their rule, other than for them to force players to lose money for their own benefit. I wouldn't have played on this site if I knew this BEFORE i deposited, but they made sure to keep it nice and hidden. I havent see anyone talk about this before and now my balance is stuck.

Im at a crossroads where I need to bet half my deposit, but if I lose it I'm going to be down even more than I already am and don't know what to do.

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Here are the relevant rules that I stripped from FortuneJack's Terms of Service:

Quote

8.1.1. On Slots, Casino Games and Live Games Your deposit amount must be wagered, be turned over 2 (two) times;

8.1.2. On Sportsbook Services You have to make at least one bet with minimum stake of 50% of Your deposit amount (example: if Your deposit amount is equivalent to EUR 100, You have to bet minimum EUR 50 on any position You can select on Sportsbook Services);

That second rule is insanely scummy: I have actually never seen anything like this before on any casino.

Suppose someone deposits $2000, hoping to play with proper bankroll management with sports betting and instead they have to actually drop down $1000 on a bet. What kind of ridiculousness is that? It doesn't even stop any abuse: if someone really wanted to avoid that rule they would simply deposit in chunks, thereby making the minimum stake far lower. For example, depositing $100, 20 times.

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Why would anyone play on fortunejack with their absurd rules? I deposited and played over the weekend, only to find out you can't even withdraw. They then send you an email where they explain that you need to play double whatever you deposited. Great, now I have to play more. Done.

I withdraw.

A day later I receive another email that says I need to make ONE BET that is at least half of my deposit. WHAT? Another stupid rule? Why would anyone play on this dogshit website.

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