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Topic: France Is Planning To Prohibit Cash Payments Over €1,000 - page 5. (Read 6302 times)

legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Yeah, go try USA health system and then post again, if you managed to pay the insurance and you didn't die because you are poor and you could not pay.

Okay i wasn't going to say anything except you've persisted in derailing a currency restriction thread topic into USA health care Huh wtf??? your neuron wiring may need some looking at their chump?

Back on topic.

The damage to an economy with cash restrictions cannot be estimated, since much of the cash economy is unmeasured and unmeasurable. They are playing with some serious fire. Restricting ANY economic activity at this time is lunacy, just look at Greece, Spain and Italy, all these economies have gone into a serious tail-spin since cash transactions became restricted. These are exactly the actions of facist, totalitarian economies, and usually when going into their end-of-life phase. I would warn against investing at all in France and getting funds out of there if you have any there.

And as John M. says in the article it is the small to medium enterprises that are most likely to be trading in the cash of the size that they will impact. It will hit the working poor the hardest, not the people you want to restrict economic activity since these are major drivers towards improvement. The desperately poor and living-off-the-state poor are not going to be driving any economy anywhere.

tl;dr
Cruel, stupid move against the working poor who are trying to better themselves by the French Socialists govt.
legendary
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Armory Developer
Yeah, go try USA health system and then post again, if you managed to pay the insurance and you didn't die because you are poor and you could not pay.

At least I'd have the opportunity to pay for it... Don't talk about French health care, just don't.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Yeah, go try USA health system and then post again, if you managed to pay the insurance and you didn't die because you are poor and you could not pay.
legendary
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Armory Developer
A note about taxes: in europe we have a decent public health system

You're trolling right? French health care, for the least, is a catastrophe. I've experienced it first hand. My family too.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
A note about taxes: in europe we have a decent public health system
legendary
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legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
France has legal casinos what will they do?

Edit:
I'm not a gambler, but...
Posts = 777  ..  I just hit the jackpot!   Cheesy
legendary
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A good government should:

1) Prove it with data.

Since when to thugs that call themselves the government bother with pesky things such as facts?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Oh trust me, italy has second highest tax evasion rate in europe, first position is for greece  Cheesy

But France? Their evasion is much lower.
legendary
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It's not enough to say "tax evasion is high". A good government should:

1) Prove it with data.
2) Show that the area where evasion is high, is actually a significant contributor to overall tax revenues.
3) Provide a convincing calculation of the costs of implementing the proposal.
4) Show that the revenue gained is significantly higher than the costs.

In this case I am skeptical they're doing any such calculations.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
I'd be interested to know if they have data showing that unrecorded cash transactions are a significant source of tax fraud. Having seen how regulators work, at least in America and the UK, I strongly suspect they have no idea whatsoever and have just assumed that constantly lowering thresholds will "make things better". Cost/benefit analyses don't seem to be very common in those parts of government.


In Italy tax evasion is very very high
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
2-party anonymous escrows will make it impossible for authorities to honeypot violators.
sr. member
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In lands as France, Italy, Spain of Greece people don't trust governmants and governments don't trust people....

Regards, Inge
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Because bitcoins act sorta like cash, is it illegal to make a bitcoin transaction over the threshold as well?

How do they possibly think they will be able to police this? Cash transactions are untraceable, how is making a law going to make them any more traceable?
legendary
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I'd be interested to know if they have data showing that unrecorded cash transactions are a significant source of tax fraud. Having seen how regulators work, at least in America and the UK, I strongly suspect they have no idea whatsoever and have just assumed that constantly lowering thresholds will "make things better". Cost/benefit analyses don't seem to be very common in those parts of government.

staff
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I support freedom of choice
We are already at this step in Italy, it's already prohibit, nay you have to sign many papers.
Moreover, there is also a proposal to force merchants to accept CCs if the sum of euro is over 50 and the customer ask for use them.
newbie
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They are just following the trend. Spending cash in the EU is slowly becoming somewhere between strongly frowned upon and outright illegal. I cant see that changing ether within the Eurozone specifically as it becomes separate to the rest of the EU over the next couple of years. They need to try and make sure they are getting all they tax revenue they can and making cash unworkable forcing everyone onto a bank account and debit card then taxing transactions at source is the only realistic way.
legendary
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It's almost like they're intentionally trying to drive people into Bitcoin's arms.
sr. member
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This could be good news for all my French friends over at Bitcoin Central.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/02/14/france-plans-to-prohibit-cash-payments-over-e1000/
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