France to intensify airstrikes against Isis in Syria

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 22, 2015, 10:26:37 PM

ISIS is just a symptom, and it is not the disease. If you really want to defeat the ISIS, then you have to take out those who are behind the ISIS, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Even if the current ISIS leadership is taken out by the Russians and the French, the Saudis will find the replacement for them in no time.

You know what? This is no different than saying the actions of bank robbers and rapists are just symptoms, not the disease. The disease is that they weren't happy in their childhood. We need to empathize with them.

No, we solve the problem of bank robbers and rapists with police action and methods.

ISIS is no different.

There's nothing smarter or wiser in pointing at or alleging to point at "True causes," "Deeper causes" and all that rot.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 22, 2015, 10:26:37 PM

ISIS is just a symptom, and it is not the disease. If you really want to defeat the ISIS, then you have to take out those who are behind the ISIS, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Even if the current ISIS leadership is taken out by the Russians and the French, the Saudis will find the replacement for them in no time.

Since the 1950s and 1960s, one after another "symptom" has arisen and each was "not the disease," some would say.

Is that kind of talk of any use at all?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 22, 2015, 10:26:37 PM

ISIS is just a symptom, and it is not the disease. If you really want to defeat the ISIS, then you have to take out those who are behind the ISIS, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Even if the current ISIS leadership is taken out by the Russians and the French, the Saudis will find the replacement for them in no time.

Exactly my friend , France government forgot that their allies are feeding ISIS
they were ignoring this fact , and President Bashar Al-Assad warned on 2012 all countries are supporting the terrorists that this will return to their countries
I really hope that France government realized that terrorism know no place , cause their politics and their allies was the main reason of what's happening now in my country

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 22, 2015, 10:26:37 PM

ISIS is just a symptom, and it is not the disease. If you really want to defeat the ISIS, then you have to take out those who are behind the ISIS, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Even if the current ISIS leadership is taken out by the Russians and the French, the Saudis will find the replacement for them in no time.

yes!!.. They are supported by Turkey and Saudi....it's ISIS with a new name ....so it will be pallet-able with the world to take out Asad and leave Syria under the control of ISIS....are we that stupid.

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ISIS is just a symptom, and it is not the disease. If you really want to defeat the ISIS, then you have to take out those who are behind the ISIS, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Even if the current ISIS leadership is taken out by the Russians and the French, the Saudis will find the replacement for them in no time.

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Quote from: Spendulus on November 22, 2015, 12:14:33 PM

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Quote from: zenitzz on November 21, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

What's really needed is a decisive battle in which a large number of the enemy are first corralled in a manner where they cannot escape, and then they are killed or captured. This requires ground troops, obviously. And it's not at all difficult with air support.

Plus cut off their income from oil.

Not really hard to lay it out, is it?

Not just income from oil. But from other countries too. Like saudia arabia for example. But don't know if that will stop isis. Or if it does if it won't just leave the place for other terrorist organizations to come out.

If ISIS is 30,000 troops plus equipment, the cost to keep them in the field fighting is likely $1-2m USD per day.

Food and supplies alone to one 5,000 man contingent would be a massive supply chain. You can't just go into a city and buy these amounts of suppies.

That's true. But point was more like will that really stop them? Or only transform the way they operate. They may have something like a conventional army now. But that isn't needed for them to remain a problem later on. And large battles and air strikes always cause collateral damage. That will radicalize more people. Isis didn't come out of nowhere.

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Quote from: Gronthaing on November 22, 2015, 03:07:14 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on November 21, 2015, 08:47:06 PM

Quote from: zenitzz on November 21, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

What's really needed is a decisive battle in which a large number of the enemy are first corralled in a manner where they cannot escape, and then they are killed or captured. This requires ground troops, obviously. And it's not at all difficult with air support.

Plus cut off their income from oil.

Not really hard to lay it out, is it?

Not just income from oil. But from other countries too. Like saudia arabia for example. But don't know if that will stop isis. Or if it does if it won't just leave the place for other terrorist organizations to come out.

If ISIS is 30,000 troops plus equipment, the cost to keep them in the field fighting is likely $1-2m USD per day.

Food and supplies alone to one 5,000 man contingent would be a massive supply chain. You can't just go into a city and buy these amounts of suppies.

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let's hope this will be good , cause when US started their strikes before Russia they were targeting power resources and factories which are under control of ISIS , we all know what was the point of the previous attacks Grin

but I think that most of the countries now know the threaten of ISIS and they all should fight it without thinking about their benefits in Syria

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Quote from: Spendulus on November 21, 2015, 08:47:06 PM

Quote from: zenitzz on November 21, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

What's really needed is a decisive battle in which a large number of the enemy are first corralled in a manner where they cannot escape, and then they are killed or captured. This requires ground troops, obviously. And it's not at all difficult with air support.

Plus cut off their income from oil.

Not really hard to lay it out, is it?

Not just income from oil. But from other countries too. Like saudia arabia for example. But don't know if that will stop isis. Or if it does if it won't just leave the place for other terrorist organizations to come out.

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All of these strikes are needed. The sad part of this is that it took all of these bad things to happen before someone would get up and use full force. We need to get up in their asses and not let up until they are done. This BS needs to stop, wipe them out!!

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Quote from: zenitzz on November 21, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

They are softening them up.
More resources will flow to the IS' natural enemies on the ground.
This war will have to be won on the ground, probably with hand to hand battles in cities. These air strikes are the precursor to that.

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Quote from: zenitzz on November 21, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

What's really needed is a decisive battle in which a large number of the enemy are first corralled in a manner where they cannot escape, and then they are killed or captured. This requires ground troops, obviously. And it's not at all difficult with air support.

Plus cut off their income from oil.

Not really hard to lay it out, is it?

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Hi

France really needs to respond with major action. If it can gather many more allies to defeat isis this will be the best action.

I am not sure if airstrikes would work as this has already been happening for a long time by america and not much has changes and attacks keep happening all over the world

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Well. if it's war then do something. If dropping 20 bombs one day is all France will do that isn't enough. There is really no coalition just the US and now Russia doing most of the work... Where is everyone else, especially the middle eastern countries that have this going on at their door step?

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(PARIS) -- France intends to intensify its airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, according to a statement released Thursday by French President Francois Hollande.
The French president instructed his Defense Council to prepare for "the intensification of the ongoing military operations in order to fight Daesh [ISIS] in Syria as well as in Iraq."
France began hitting ISIS in Syria on Sunday, with Hollande having said that his nation was "at war with ISIS."
Hollande and his Defense Council met Thursday to discuss the operations undertaken to arrest those responsible for last week's attacks. The French president specifically brought up diplomatic measures, such as trips to Washington and Moscow.

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ISIS and others like Al Qaeda must be destroyed. However, until the world properly identifies and fixes the underlying causes of these problems, they will continue. Human nature being what it is, I doubt it can ever be accomplished. There are just too many people that only look out for themselves at the expense of others.....on all sides.

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Hi,

There needs to be boots on the ground. This idea that airstrikes can defeat isis is false and will only temporarily set them back. Hopefully the free world has courage to take on these monsters.

There has been far too many deaths and bloodshed for this to keep going on

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Quote from: vero on November 16, 2015, 06:56:04 PM

France needs to invoke Article 5 and get a full NATO engagement in Iraq & Syria. Then the US needs to to come with agreement with namely Russia and Iran to ease Assad out of power, however, in the meantime NATO and Russia & Iran should fight alongside Assad to exterminate ISIS and Al Qaeda like the vile roaches that they are. Once Syria is under Assad's control, THEN you can have elections. You DO NOT destroy Syrian gov't infrastructure while taking out Assad because that would weaken any Syrian successor. Yes this means American, European, Arab and Russian boots on the ground. Get them there before what happens in Paris comes to New York.

You have to get Obama out and a sane person in to do this.

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France needs to invoke Article 5 and get a full NATO engagement in Iraq & Syria. Then the US needs to to come with agreement with namely Russia and Iran to ease Assad out of power, however, in the meantime NATO and Russia & Iran should fight alongside Assad to exterminate ISIS and Al Qaeda like the vile roaches that they are. Once Syria is under Assad's control, THEN you can have elections. You DO NOT destroy Syrian gov't infrastructure while taking out Assad because that would weaken any Syrian successor. Yes this means American, European, Arab and Russian boots on the ground. Get them there before what happens in Paris comes to New York.

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I dont think anything will be done till infantry and armor dont make wasteland of that desert there. Hope it will not take lot more till they understand that bombing and rocketing can can only be support for armor and boots if we want to defeat ISIS. And i mean real troops, not some armed natives.

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